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How does getting vaccinated protect others?
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Well, I do think it shows is that antibody counts aren't a great measuring stick for determining risk of reinfection and reduction of symptoms over a long-term and that naturally immune person's are more capable of thwarting off new variants than those who are vaccinated (but haven't been infected) over the same timeline.
What isn't new is that people who gain hybrid immunities are basically gods among men when it comes to fighting this thing off.
What isn't new is that people who gain hybrid immunities are basically gods among men when it comes to fighting this thing off.
Now that I got most of the stuff I needed to get done (like get the kid away at college) I almost want to try and catch covid to get it over with.
SoupNazi2001 said:Duncan Idaho said:Romello said:
The unvaccinated affect the most influential lobbyists in DC, the insurance lobbyists. They don't want to continue to pay out huge medical bills. It's really that simple.
You are leaving out that most of the fortune 500 are self insured and only use the "insurance company" to process claims and managed policies.
But yeah, it is about a $6 shot vs the cost of someone going to the ICU. I.e. risk management...what all companies do and the sole reason insurance companies exist.
It's not about this at all or we would have seen risk based insurance pricing already where obesity and negative blood work markers substantially increase your premiums.
They already use this model. Insurance premiums vary based on prior claims, location, demographics, etc.
I think I should've rephrased my lastine to address OP's question:
How does getting vaccinated help others?
Well in OP's case, getting vaccinated after having fought off covid makes you way less likely to spread a reinfection around or become the host to a new mutation, thus you are the most helpful mother ****er of all helpful mother ****ers.
How does getting vaccinated help others?
Well in OP's case, getting vaccinated after having fought off covid makes you way less likely to spread a reinfection around or become the host to a new mutation, thus you are the most helpful mother ****er of all helpful mother ****ers.
The Covid vaccine and boosters are the only product in the world whose failure is blamed on those who haven't taken it.
That's not true. Crystal Pepsi didn't fail due to me not drinking and loving it, I can tell you that much.
No I am not. I lost smell for 8-9 days and felt kind of sluggish for 1-2. Never even ran a fever.Forum Troll said:
You are roughly 25 times less likely to need hospitalization and or die from the disease.
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That chick's voice.Duncan Idaho said:Jabin said:
Are you genuinely curious and asking, or simply wanting to rant?
I believed in natural immunity if you had Covid till the last three weeks. In that time I have had two family members and two neighbors get Covid for the 2nd time. None were vaxxed. One neighbor was a radiologist at a small local hospital. 42 and healthy. He died this week. Both family members in their late 40's and they are both in the hospital this time. Thankfully not on vents yet.
On top of that three of my church friends have also caught it again and they are all 40-60 and really sick compared to the first time they had it. Non vaxxed as well.
So I don't hold anymore faith in being naturally immune than I do the vaccine. Hell of a deal.
On top of that three of my church friends have also caught it again and they are all 40-60 and really sick compared to the first time they had it. Non vaxxed as well.
So I don't hold anymore faith in being naturally immune than I do the vaccine. Hell of a deal.
Where do you live? Not doubting you, this is just such a different experience from me. Everyone I know who seems to be struggling in recent weeks seems to be vaccinated, which has blown me away as it is the opposite of everything I am hearing. I don't know a single unvaxxed person who has even had a "rough flu" type case in recent months. I'm in Houston.Gunny456 said:
I believed in natural immunity if you had Covid till the last three weeks. In that time I have had two family members and two neighbors get Covid for the 2nd time. None were vaxxed. One neighbor was a radiologist at a small local hospital. 42 and healthy. He died this week. Both family members in their late 40's and they are both in the hospital this time. Thankfully not on vents yet.
On top of that three of my church friends have also caught it again and they are all 40-60 and really sick compared to the first time they had it. Non vaxxed as well.
So I don't hold anymore faith in being naturally immune than I do the vaccine. Hell of a deal.
Agnes Moffitt Rollin 60's - RIP Casper and Lil Ricky - FREE GOOFY AND LUCKY!
Gunny456 said:
I believed in natural immunity if you had Covid till the last three weeks. In that time I have had two family members and two neighbors get Covid for the 2nd time. None were vaxxed. One neighbor was a radiologist at a small local hospital. 42 and healthy. He died this week. Both family members in their late 40's and they are both in the hospital this time. Thankfully not on vents yet.
On top of that three of my church friends have also caught it again and they are all 40-60 and really sick compared to the first time they had it. Non vaxxed as well.
So I don't hold anymore faith in being naturally immune than I do the vaccine. Hell of a deal.
Did any of them utilize Monoclonal Antibodies prior to hospitalization, within the first 3 - 5 days of symptoms?
Yeah, I have a friend who had it twice, too. She had it in January (mild) and then this month (a lot worse). Thankfully she's young, skinny, and healthy, and was able to get through it without hospitalization, but everyone was shocked that her second case was so much worse than her first. (Unvaccinated)Gunny456 said:
I believed in natural immunity if you had Covid till the last three weeks. In that time I have had two family members and two neighbors get Covid for the 2nd time. None were vaxxed. One neighbor was a radiologist at a small local hospital. 42 and healthy. He died this week. Both family members in their late 40's and they are both in the hospital this time. Thankfully not on vents yet.
On top of that three of my church friends have also caught it again and they are all 40-60 and really sick compared to the first time they had it. Non vaxxed as well.
So I don't hold anymore faith in being naturally immune than I do the vaccine. Hell of a deal.
All the vaccinated cases I've known have been mild, with the exception of one, but she was sickly to begin with.
The unvaxxed cases I've seen have ranged from mild to really bad - bad enough to require the antibody infusion - to death. My uncle (unvaccinated) died today.
Personal experiences and anecdotes only, not for use in making medical decisions, please consult your physician.
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I'm sorry to hear that. Do you know if they knew their antibody status when they got it the second time?Gunny456 said:
I believed in natural immunity if you had Covid till the last three weeks. In that time I have had two family members and two neighbors get Covid for the 2nd time. None were vaxxed. One neighbor was a radiologist at a small local hospital. 42 and healthy. He died this week. Both family members in their late 40's and they are both in the hospital this time. Thankfully not on vents yet.
On top of that three of my church friends have also caught it again and they are all 40-60 and really sick compared to the first time they had it. Non vaxxed as well.
So I don't hold anymore faith in being naturally immune than I do the vaccine. Hell of a deal.
I'm sure there are breakthrough infections, just as there are for vaccinated. Hopefully most are mild. But that doesn't seem to be your personal experience here.
double aught said:That chick's voice.Duncan Idaho said:Jabin said:
Are you genuinely curious and asking, or simply wanting to rant?
If you applied his personal experience to the masses, I think it would be all-out hysteria. That's several people in their 40's and healthy, having to be hospitalized. And a 42 year old healthy person dying. A handful of people he knows in the last few weeks, young and healthy, having very serious cases...all of which had the virus before.88planoAg said:I'm sorry to hear that. Do you know if they knew their antibody status when they got it the second time?Gunny456 said:
I believed in natural immunity if you had Covid till the last three weeks. In that time I have had two family members and two neighbors get Covid for the 2nd time. None were vaxxed. One neighbor was a radiologist at a small local hospital. 42 and healthy. He died this week. Both family members in their late 40's and they are both in the hospital this time. Thankfully not on vents yet.
On top of that three of my church friends have also caught it again and they are all 40-60 and really sick compared to the first time they had it. Non vaxxed as well.
So I don't hold anymore faith in being naturally immune than I do the vaccine. Hell of a deal.
I'm sure there are breakthrough infections, just as there are for vaccinated. Hopefully most are mild. But that doesn't seem to be your personal experience here.
Not saying i don't believe it, it is just very troubling if you broadly applied that to the population. Me knowing Several fully vaxxed people I know who have either died or almost died in ICU in recent weeks also prompts a lot of disbelief when I tell people.
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Yep, I know 1 person that has been hospitalized because COVID tore up his lungs. Haven't lost anyone. If my experience was the norm, this board would have ended 15 months ago.
I actually know more people who had terrible reactions to the vaccine (no hospitalizations, but sick for 2-3 days). That was worse than my experience with covid. So when wbt tells me that "not feeling bad" is a main selling point for the jab, I just roll my eyes.
I actually know more people who had terrible reactions to the vaccine (no hospitalizations, but sick for 2-3 days). That was worse than my experience with covid. So when wbt tells me that "not feeling bad" is a main selling point for the jab, I just roll my eyes.
Interesting.hbtheduce said:
Yep, I know 1 person that has been hospitalized because COVID tore up his lungs. Haven't lost anyone. If my experience was the norm, this board would have ended 15 months ago.
I actually know more people who had terrible reactions to the vaccine (no hospitalizations, but sick for 2-3 days). That was worse than my experience with covid. So when wbt tells me that "not feeling bad" is a main selling point for the jab, I just roll my eyes.
I know about 150 people who have been vaccinated (mostly at my church) and none of them had more than a few hours of reaction to the vaccine.
In this house my parents in their 80s and I got Pfizer and had zero reaction, not even any fever or aches.
GeoAg got the Moderna a few weeks after us and had about 6 hours of fever.
All the actual covid cases I know about lasted at least a few days.
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Picadillo said:
The Covid vaccine and boosters are the only product in the world whose failure is blamed on those who haven't taken it.
No, that would be hydroxychloroquine.
Bottom line, you can be fully vaccinated and get/pass COVID; likewise, you can be unvaccinated and get/pass COVID. In both cases if you get it, it can very mild to very bad.
SB 43rd STREET OG said:I have recovered from Covid, science says my immunity is better than yours. Also, my buddy just lost his fully vaccinated mother in law...I went to her funeral here in Houston Sunday morning. It is clearly largely effective against Covid, but no guarantees it will protect you. But this is how it protects OTHERS.wbt5845 said:
Well, it will help protect your family from the pain of your death.
Wrong
TXAGBQ76 said:
Bottom line, you can be fully vaccinated and get/pass COVID; likewise, you can be unvaccinated and get/pass COVID. In both cases if you get it, it can very mild to very bad.
But your probability of a bad to very bad case is much higher without one of the vaccines. Get vaccinated. Reduce your probability of bad outcomes.
Science actually says you getting a vaccine after having covid is better than relying on natural immunity alone.SB 43rd STREET OG said:I have recovered from Covid, science says my immunity is better than yours. Also, my buddy just lost his fully vaccinated mother in law...I went to her funeral here in Houston Sunday morning. It is clearly largely effective against Covid, but no guarantees it will protect you. But this is how it protects OTHERS.wbt5845 said:
Well, it will help protect your family from the pain of your death.
Who gets a vaccine for a cold? What are you talking about?
I'm sure that's an autocorrect problem. He means covid. Studies show that vaccination after covid (or covid after vaccination) provides stronger protection for future infections.hbtheduce said:
Who gets a vaccine for a cold? What are you talking about?
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Mr. GeographyAg is a dedicated lurker.
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Yep. Autocorrect got me again.
GeographyAg said:I'm sure that's an autocorrect problem. He means covid. Studies show that vaccination after covid (or covid after vaccination) provides stronger protection for future infections.hbtheduce said:
Who gets a vaccine for a cold? What are you talking about?
Gotcha, that makes more sense. I don't disagree, there will be absolute gains in "protection" but in relative terms, the benefits to someone in my demographic are so small it is negligible.
Capitol Ag said:The vaccinated protect the unvaccinated by not being very able to pass the virus to the unvaxed person.SB 43rd STREET OG said:
Please explain to me how other peoples' vaccine will work better if I am vaccinated? Also how vaccinated cannot spread it to others in general? And why natural immunity, which has been shown to be superior to vaccination, is NEVER mentioned and never offered as a way out of these government and corporate mandates.
Also the one person I know and went to a funeral for who died recently fully vaxxed do it wrong? Also, the guy who spent weeks in ICU and almost died from pneumonia and will likely never be the same...what did he do wrong...he got BOTH shots?
Seems like it is largely effective at muting the symptoms and bad effects of the disease, but is really about protecting yourself rather than others. And nothing wrong with that. It has helped countless people.
Natural immunity is a thing. A great thing that has been purposefully not talked about b/c they are afraid, given the current environment regarding getting vaccinated, that too many will just forgo getting vaccinated in favor of getting the virus and immunity that way or who had the virus but have lost the antibodies over time. The later though is debatable and very individually specific. Many have full antibodies over a year after infections while some seem to lose them after only a few months. It's actually like this with most viruses. We just never cared before Covid. If natural immunity didn't work, neither would the vaccine itself.
The vaccine was never a guarantee of not dying or having a serious bout of Covid. Never was sold that way. But as you said it is largely effective against severe effects if not totally keeping you from getting the virus. Most fall into this bracket. It's very unfortunate that you had one friend die and another have very serious complications and likely lifelong side effects. May I ask what condition were they in prior to contracting Covid? Could they have had preexisting conditions? That very well may have played a factor here.
In the end, while protecting others is a huge benefit of the vaccine, we all know why we get the flu or other vaccines too. To protect ourselves potentially. And that is absolutely ok. And it's ok, to me, if you want to refrain from taking it. Just be cool with me not masking and mitigating as well. Just being honest. I agree that while you can effect others it is also your business. It's your body. But consider it. There really are not any major side effects that have been proven to be a big issue overall. But it's your decision....
It absolutely was sold that way from the very beginning by every major news, media, and major medical organization today. Failure to point this out, and denying it happened further encourages vaccine hesitancy. If you can't admit the original messaging was wrong and we have learned a lot since the vaccines came out then no one will trust anything you say. And every time I point this out the mods delete my post.
I think your memory is failing you. There were never any guarantees.
not sure what you heard, but the things I heard was 95% effective at prevention, 99% effective against severe infection/death. Sound pretty much like its doing just that. VERY VERY VERY few are vaccinated and die. But many experts did predict there would be some. It happens with almost all vaccines.G. hirsutum Ag said:Capitol Ag said:The vaccinated protect the unvaccinated by not being very able to pass the virus to the unvaxed person.SB 43rd STREET OG said:
Please explain to me how other peoples' vaccine will work better if I am vaccinated? Also how vaccinated cannot spread it to others in general? And why natural immunity, which has been shown to be superior to vaccination, is NEVER mentioned and never offered as a way out of these government and corporate mandates.
Also the one person I know and went to a funeral for who died recently fully vaxxed do it wrong? Also, the guy who spent weeks in ICU and almost died from pneumonia and will likely never be the same...what did he do wrong...he got BOTH shots?
Seems like it is largely effective at muting the symptoms and bad effects of the disease, but is really about protecting yourself rather than others. And nothing wrong with that. It has helped countless people.
Natural immunity is a thing. A great thing that has been purposefully not talked about b/c they are afraid, given the current environment regarding getting vaccinated, that too many will just forgo getting vaccinated in favor of getting the virus and immunity that way or who had the virus but have lost the antibodies over time. The later though is debatable and very individually specific. Many have full antibodies over a year after infections while some seem to lose them after only a few months. It's actually like this with most viruses. We just never cared before Covid. If natural immunity didn't work, neither would the vaccine itself.
The vaccine was never a guarantee of not dying or having a serious bout of Covid. Never was sold that way. But as you said it is largely effective against severe effects if not totally keeping you from getting the virus. Most fall into this bracket. It's very unfortunate that you had one friend die and another have very serious complications and likely lifelong side effects. May I ask what condition were they in prior to contracting Covid? Could they have had preexisting conditions? That very well may have played a factor here.
In the end, while protecting others is a huge benefit of the vaccine, we all know why we get the flu or other vaccines too. To protect ourselves potentially. And that is absolutely ok. And it's ok, to me, if you want to refrain from taking it. Just be cool with me not masking and mitigating as well. Just being honest. I agree that while you can effect others it is also your business. It's your body. But consider it. There really are not any major side effects that have been proven to be a big issue overall. But it's your decision....
It absolutely was sold that way from the very beginning by every major news, media, and major medical organization today. Failure to point this out, and denying it happened further encourages vaccine hesitancy. If you can't admit the original messaging was wrong and we have learned a lot since the vaccines came out then no one will trust anything you say. And every time I point this out the mods delete my post.
One of many examples, from Feb 2021 in USA Today. At least they haven't erased the articles that do, in fact, state this.double aught said:
I think your memory is failing you. There were never any guarantees.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/02/12/all-covid-vaccines-stop-death-severe-illness-column/6709455002/
Quote:
The varying "effectiveness" rates miss the most important point: The vaccines were all 100% effective in the vaccine trials in stopping hospitalizations and death.
88planoAg said:One of many examples, from Feb 2021 in USA Today. At least they haven't erased the articles that do, in fact, state this.double aught said:
I think your memory is failing you. There were never any guarantees.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/02/12/all-covid-vaccines-stop-death-severe-illness-column/6709455002/Quote:
The varying "effectiveness" rates miss the most important point: The vaccines were all 100% effective in the vaccine trials in stopping hospitalizations and death.
Ignoring that your quote says they were effective in vaccine trials (no guarantee it would be 100% effective in mass distribution), it is an OPINION piece that literally sates in the byline: "lower your risk of getting severely ill and dying of COVID-19."
There's a large problem with fake news out there, no doubt about it -- but there's also a large problem with people glossing over anything published and assuming it confirms their biases.
Hell, even that article goes on to say that we don't know how the vaccines will fare against variants.
The average American, reading that opinion piece, is going to conclude that vaccines prevent hospitalizations and deaths. I am not talking about scientific studies, I'm talking about how this was widely reported in the media and CDC press conferences. There was absolutely the message that the shots guarantee no hospitalizations or deaths. The word 'virtually' might have been inserted between 'shots' and 'guarantee' but the reporting was clear - the shots will protect against hospitalizations and death.Proposition Joe said:88planoAg said:One of many examples, from Feb 2021 in USA Today. At least they haven't erased the articles that do, in fact, state this.double aught said:
I think your memory is failing you. There were never any guarantees.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/02/12/all-covid-vaccines-stop-death-severe-illness-column/6709455002/Quote:
The varying "effectiveness" rates miss the most important point: The vaccines were all 100% effective in the vaccine trials in stopping hospitalizations and death.
Ignoring that your quote says they were effective in vaccine trials (no guarantee it would be 100% effective in mass distribution), it is an OPINION piece that literally sates in the byline: "lower your risk of getting severely ill and dying of COVID-19."
There's a large problem with fake news out there, no doubt about it -- but there's also a large problem with people glossing over anything published and assuming it confirms their biases.
That is what I remember being reported. That was absolutely the message, repeated often.
Here is another, from the J&J company.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/01/29/962221448/johnson-johnson-executive-says-vaccine-works-where-it-counts-preventing-deaths
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Quote:
We showed that there was an 85% efficacy against severe disease and a complete protection against hospitalization and complete protection against death. And that's across all the regions, including in South Africa," he says.
Anything else is revisionist history. That message is what I remember hearing over and over in Feb-May of 2021.
Well, there has been this thing called the "Delta variant" that's occurred since then, as well.
Ok -- did any of those messages you know you heard say that the vaccine would be 100% effective at preventing deaths of variants or mutations of the virus?
I doubt it.
So you weren't lied to.
I mean... I guess I'd understand the anger out there if the vaccines turned out not to do much good when it came to the original variant... But they were highly effective.
Or if the vaccines -- developed before the delta variant emerged -- turned out not to do much good when it came to the delta variant... But they have shown to be highly effective.
But we're mad that a vaccine that has done an incredibly job a reducing deaths hasn't shown to be 100%? Now claiming "people were lied to!!!!!".
If I didn't know any better I'd almost think some people were actively rooting for the vaccine to fail.
I doubt it.
So you weren't lied to.
I mean... I guess I'd understand the anger out there if the vaccines turned out not to do much good when it came to the original variant... But they were highly effective.
Or if the vaccines -- developed before the delta variant emerged -- turned out not to do much good when it came to the delta variant... But they have shown to be highly effective.
But we're mad that a vaccine that has done an incredibly job a reducing deaths hasn't shown to be 100%? Now claiming "people were lied to!!!!!".
If I didn't know any better I'd almost think some people were actively rooting for the vaccine to fail.
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