Aaannnd there it is.Marissa99 said:
It is a big deal. It's disrupted lives, economies and more around the planet. But you and I can agree to disagree.
Anecdotally, I know people who have been hospitalized or gravely ill before the vax rolled out. A distant cousin died of Covid last summer. And in the past few weeks, several good friends have relatives who have died of Covid. Before the pandemic, I don't know of anybody who died of the flu or was hospitalized because of it.
You mention about handling the next pandemic. Well, we had a guide on how to handle a pandemic. It's called history. Additionally, the pandemic guide that the previous presidential administration had access to wasn't even followed.
This virus should've been contained especially in the US. It never should have gotten out of control. It's cost lives and divided the American people.
Let's get something straight about COVID and kids
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Marissa99 said:
It is a big deal. It's disrupted lives, economies and more around the planet. But you and I can agree to disagree.
Anecdotally, I know people who have been hospitalized or gravely ill before the vax rolled out. A distant cousin died of Covid last summer. And in the past few weeks, several good friends have relatives who have died of Covid. Before the pandemic, I don't know of anybody who died of the flu or was hospitalized because of it.
You mention about handling the next pandemic. Well, we had a guide on how to handle a pandemic. It's called history. Additionally, the pandemic guide that the previous presidential administration had access to wasn't even followed.
This virus should've been contained especially in the US. It never should have gotten out of control. It's cost lives and divided the American people.
The usa is special in what way regarding the virus that we would have been able to contain it?
dodger02 said:The math and science is that surgical masks and the like aren't designed to "filter out a small virus cell" that is approximately 100 nm in diameter (a cell that in and of itself won't make anyone sick). They're designed to filter droplets several times that size which contain hundreds of virus cells.P.U.T.U said:
There is math and science behind the reason cloth does not work to filter out a small virus cell.
The "masks don't work" crew is letting perfection be the enemy of good.
There's no quantifiable data that masks work. The only support is initial hypothesis from observation. "Two hairdressers had covid, exposed 135 people and nobody got covid because they were all wearing masks." That's a hypothesis because there are many variables that affect transmission of a respiratory virus.
Science conducts controlled studies to find out what works, eliminating as many variables a possible.
When that is done in randomized controlled trials for mask efficacy, all the results are the same: statistically insignificant.
Yep typically the authors willingly inject their bias into the conclusions and restate the hypothesis as to why masks work. That's garbage and not science. It's politics. And it's why intelligent free thinkers are rejecting mainstream "science."
When I unknowingly had covid and exposed 7 people to it, including my 70 year old mom, nobody got it. None were masked. Guess my beard is as good as a mask. Science!
The only comment I'll make is the acuteness with which this wave has come on is pretty markedly different.
Everyone I know has been sick in the last month thanks to our "immunity deficit".01agtx said:Thomas Ford 91 said:
Maybe Covid doesn't affect children, but all the Child ICU beds in North Texas are taken, so we're going to try to reduce the risk as best we can.
They are full every single winter. I have worked my ass off for years to make beds when there weren't any. Stop using this as a reason to force restrictions on people.
We are all catching colds that we would have been catching for the last two years all at once.
It is kind of unavoidable when you open back up.
That's the problem. This pandemic is over, it's just that the government is using one last breath to keep its emergency powers as long as possible.Marissa99 said:cisgenderedAggie said:Marissa99 said:
I hear your points, Buster.
But something else to consider -- there is still a lot that we don't know about this particular coronavirus. I really hope that there are no lingering issues from Covid that will present themselves several years from now in kids and adults. Yes, long Covid does exist. I believe this. But there is still a lot that we don't know.
On a broader note, mankind is resilient and has navigated and adapted to many adverse situations over thousands of years. One way I look at this pandemic - as unfortunate as it is - is that it's another time that we have to adapt and weather through adversity. We need to adapt to some things such as wearing masks and other safety protocols for the time being. I think many people think that mask wearing and other measures are permanent. They're not. Change is the one constant in life....
What is the basis for when the measures are resolved? Need to be specific on the endpoints here.
That's a good question. I don't know what the endpoints are. But I don't think it's ever been communicated that all these protocols e.g. social distancing, mask wearing, etc. are permanent. All pandemics end. I figure the protocols will end once the pandemic concludes, which is hopefully sooner rather than later.
We are in the normal range for excess deaths: https://episphere.github.io/mortalitytracker/#cause=allcause&state=All%20States
You make a good point.
My point is that 1 hospitalization per 300,000 children is not scary.
My point is that 1 hospitalization per 300,000 children is not scary.
Don't disagree.
Also shows the effect vaccines have had on the older cohorts.
Also shows the effect vaccines have had on the older cohorts.
Do you work in a hospital in North Texas?Thomas Ford 91 said:
Maybe Covid doesn't affect children, but all the Child ICU beds in North Texas are taken, so we're going to try to reduce the risk as best we can.
Because, apparently, there is a very good chance your sources are lying to you:
Correction, Aug. 12, 2021: An earlier version of this story overstated the number of children who have been hospitalized in Texas recently with COVID-19. The story said over 5,800 children had been hospitalized during a seven-day period in August, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That number correctly referred to children hospitalized with COVID-19 since the pandemic began. In actuality, 783 children were admitted to Texas hospitals with COVID-19 between July 1 and Aug. 9 of this year.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/12/texas-rsv-covid-19-childrens-hospitals/
So much gaslighting and disinformation on this thread.
Would love to hear any specific criticisms or questions.FlyRod said:
So much gaslighting and disinformation on this thread.
How come those promoting masks haven't once posted any real world data to support mask wearing?
There was a great article in the NYT yesterday about the threat of COVID to kids.
Of course, it cited zero studies.
Or data.
It was basically an OpEd.
Of course, it cited zero studies.
Or data.
It was basically an OpEd.
So whose kids are going to keep their N95 masks on all day and only eat or drink when isolated from others. These blue surgical masks are useless and I see kids coming out of school with them below their nose anyway. No way this can be made to be an effective deterrent in a school environment. Pissin' in the wind.
cisgenderedAggie said:Marissa99 said:cisgenderedAggie said:Marissa99 said:
I hear your points, Buster.
But something else to consider -- there is still a lot that we don't know about this particular coronavirus. I really hope that there are no lingering issues from Covid that will present themselves several years from now in kids and adults. Yes, long Covid does exist. I believe this. But there is still a lot that we don't know.
On a broader note, mankind is resilient and has navigated and adapted to many adverse situations over thousands of years. One way I look at this pandemic - as unfortunate as it is - is that it's another time that we have to adapt and weather through adversity. We need to adapt to some things such as wearing masks and other safety protocols for the time being. I think many people think that mask wearing and other measures are permanent. They're not. Change is the one constant in life....
What is the basis for when the measures are resolved? Need to be specific on the endpoints here.
That's a good question. I don't know what the endpoints are. But I don't think it's ever been communicated that all these protocols e.g. social distancing, mask wearing, etc. are permanent. All pandemics end. I figure the protocols will end once the pandemic concludes, which is hopefully sooner rather than later.
This is an ineffectual answer. Previous pandemics end because of things like spread being contained or people not dying. Eradication has rarely been the outset goal and never something that has been acceptable to sit around and wait for. We have never had a pandemic occur in the midst of the level of surveillance and detection that is possible today. And because of that, simple detection with extremely sensitive assays that cannot discriminate between active infections and residual material are sufficient to implement indefinite states of emergency, regardless of additional information. "Breakthrough cases" are largely a function of this.
With today's capabilities, and today's situation, more specific endpoints can and must be attainable. No one may be communicating permanence, but the rationale behind many of these policies cannot be resolve the circulation of an endemic virus when positive cases are the endpoint. Recognizing the specter of permanence is simply a matter of applying logical reasoning, and Covid is not going away. Meanwhile, politicization and stoking of division based on these protocols intensifies with active encouragement.
No sane person should accept an "I know it when I see it" endpoint for this.
I didn't meant to imply that I'll accept "I'll know when I see it" as an endpoint. I'm not an epidemiologist, so I don't know what the endpoints should be. I still trust and believe our experts who have training and degrees to inform when the pandemic has ended or is near its conclusion.
You're right - with the capabilities and tools that we have today, more specific endpoints should be available and attainable. And with the knowledge and capabilities that we have today in the age of modern science and medicine, the outbreak should have been contained in the United States.
I agree with you that this is an endemic virus and positive cases should not be the endpoint. I gave up on any hope of eradicating this virus a long time ago. I think it's way too late.
This whole situation has been politicized from the outset, which is a shame. It should have never been about politics. It's about saving lives.
#TX #COVID19 Seeing alot of chirping about kids in the hospital in Texas right now. Just ask the doctors and hospitals what they did about it last year around this time when kids hospital census was actually higher. pic.twitter.com/jPrJjb4MoX
— Woke Zombie 😊 (@AWokeZombie) August 12, 2021
Apparently more pediatric cases the same time last year in texas.
I looked up the data and it appears to be accurate
Marissa99 said:cisgenderedAggie said:Marissa99 said:cisgenderedAggie said:Marissa99 said:
I hear your points, Buster.
But something else to consider -- there is still a lot that we don't know about this particular coronavirus. I really hope that there are no lingering issues from Covid that will present themselves several years from now in kids and adults. Yes, long Covid does exist. I believe this. But there is still a lot that we don't know.
On a broader note, mankind is resilient and has navigated and adapted to many adverse situations over thousands of years. One way I look at this pandemic - as unfortunate as it is - is that it's another time that we have to adapt and weather through adversity. We need to adapt to some things such as wearing masks and other safety protocols for the time being. I think many people think that mask wearing and other measures are permanent. They're not. Change is the one constant in life....
What is the basis for when the measures are resolved? Need to be specific on the endpoints here.
That's a good question. I don't know what the endpoints are. But I don't think it's ever been communicated that all these protocols e.g. social distancing, mask wearing, etc. are permanent. All pandemics end. I figure the protocols will end once the pandemic concludes, which is hopefully sooner rather than later.
This is an ineffectual answer. Previous pandemics end because of things like spread being contained or people not dying. Eradication has rarely been the outset goal and never something that has been acceptable to sit around and wait for. We have never had a pandemic occur in the midst of the level of surveillance and detection that is possible today. And because of that, simple detection with extremely sensitive assays that cannot discriminate between active infections and residual material are sufficient to implement indefinite states of emergency, regardless of additional information. "Breakthrough cases" are largely a function of this.
With today's capabilities, and today's situation, more specific endpoints can and must be attainable. No one may be communicating permanence, but the rationale behind many of these policies cannot be resolve the circulation of an endemic virus when positive cases are the endpoint. Recognizing the specter of permanence is simply a matter of applying logical reasoning, and Covid is not going away. Meanwhile, politicization and stoking of division based on these protocols intensifies with active encouragement.
No sane person should accept an "I know it when I see it" endpoint for this.
I didn't meant to imply that I'll accept "I'll know when I see it" as an endpoint. I'm not an epidemiologist, so I don't know what the endpoints should be. I still trust and believe our experts who have training and degrees to inform when the pandemic has ended or is near its conclusion.
You're right - with the capabilities and tools that we have today, more specific endpoints should be available and attainable. And with the knowledge and capabilities that we have today in the age of modern science and medicine, the outbreak should have been contained in the United States.
I agree with you that this is an endemic virus and positive cases should not be the endpoint. I gave up on any hope of eradicating this virus a long time ago. I think it's way too late.
This whole situation has been politicized from the outset, which is a shame. It should have never been about politics. It's about saving lives.
The bolded is the problem. I have training. I have degrees. It's enough to know that blind trust in administrators is foolish. If you agree that specific measures and metrics should be available and attainable, then why aren't they? This is a level of accountability that requires no expertise to demand. It's been 20 months.
And you should review the progression of the early cases in Washington last January. The idea that a highly contagious respiratory virus was containable in this country at the time of the first detections, with what had already occurred to that point, is a fairy tale. There was community spread occurring before they had even locked a handful of individuals down. Then, there was reintroduction from international travel, much of which likely also started before there was any chance at implementing a containment strategy. You almost have to buy into conspiracy theories of NIH funded scientists colluding with China to purposefully implement a plandemic to believe that was possible.
If there was ever a time that containment was possible, which is almost certainly unlikely, it could only have occurred with lockdowns harsher than have ever been suggested beginning in late January 2020. Advanced molecular biology and precision therapeutics don't solve that part. This has always been mostly a people management exercise.
cisgenderedAggie said:Marissa99 said:cisgenderedAggie said:Marissa99 said:cisgenderedAggie said:Marissa99 said:
I hear your points, Buster.
But something else to consider -- there is still a lot that we don't know about this particular coronavirus. I really hope that there are no lingering issues from Covid that will present themselves several years from now in kids and adults. Yes, long Covid does exist. I believe this. But there is still a lot that we don't know.
On a broader note, mankind is resilient and has navigated and adapted to many adverse situations over thousands of years. One way I look at this pandemic - as unfortunate as it is - is that it's another time that we have to adapt and weather through adversity. We need to adapt to some things such as wearing masks and other safety protocols for the time being. I think many people think that mask wearing and other measures are permanent. They're not. Change is the one constant in life....
What is the basis for when the measures are resolved? Need to be specific on the endpoints here.
That's a good question. I don't know what the endpoints are. But I don't think it's ever been communicated that all these protocols e.g. social distancing, mask wearing, etc. are permanent. All pandemics end. I figure the protocols will end once the pandemic concludes, which is hopefully sooner rather than later.
This is an ineffectual answer. Previous pandemics end because of things like spread being contained or people not dying. Eradication has rarely been the outset goal and never something that has been acceptable to sit around and wait for. We have never had a pandemic occur in the midst of the level of surveillance and detection that is possible today. And because of that, simple detection with extremely sensitive assays that cannot discriminate between active infections and residual material are sufficient to implement indefinite states of emergency, regardless of additional information. "Breakthrough cases" are largely a function of this.
With today's capabilities, and today's situation, more specific endpoints can and must be attainable. No one may be communicating permanence, but the rationale behind many of these policies cannot be resolve the circulation of an endemic virus when positive cases are the endpoint. Recognizing the specter of permanence is simply a matter of applying logical reasoning, and Covid is not going away. Meanwhile, politicization and stoking of division based on these protocols intensifies with active encouragement.
No sane person should accept an "I know it when I see it" endpoint for this.
I didn't meant to imply that I'll accept "I'll know when I see it" as an endpoint. I'm not an epidemiologist, so I don't know what the endpoints should be. I still trust and believe our experts who have training and degrees to inform when the pandemic has ended or is near its conclusion.
You're right - with the capabilities and tools that we have today, more specific endpoints should be available and attainable. And with the knowledge and capabilities that we have today in the age of modern science and medicine, the outbreak should have been contained in the United States.
I agree with you that this is an endemic virus and positive cases should not be the endpoint. I gave up on any hope of eradicating this virus a long time ago. I think it's way too late.
This whole situation has been politicized from the outset, which is a shame. It should have never been about politics. It's about saving lives.
The bolded is the problem. I have training. I have degrees. It's enough to know that blind trust in administrators is foolish. If you agree that specific measures and metrics should be available and attainable, then why aren't they? This is a level of accountability that requires no expertise to demand. It's been 20 months.
And you should review the progression of the early cases in Washington last January. The idea that a highly contagious respiratory virus was containable in this country at the time of the first detections, with what had already occurred to that point, is a fairy tale. There was community spread occurring before they had even locked a handful of individuals down. Then, there was reintroduction from international travel, much of which likely also started before there was any chance at implementing a containment strategy. You almost have to buy into conspiracy theories of NIH funded scientists colluding with China to purposefully implement a plandemic to believe that was possible.
If there was ever a time that containment was possible, which is almost certainly unlikely, it could only have occurred with lockdowns harsher than have ever been suggested beginning in late January 2020. Advanced molecular biology and precision therapeutics don't solve that part. This has always been mostly a people management exercise.
it is sad to see Australia try this now. It seems cases are starting to spread in spite of lockdowns at the point of a bayonet
I don't see how you can claim it should've been contained in the US when there were failures to contain it all over the world except New Zealand really.
Which is a country that's an island with no local or state governments.
I like that the US has multiple states and can try different things.
And if it really was about saving lives, the focus should've always been on the most vulnerable portions of our population which has been well known since just after the beginning.
Which is a country that's an island with no local or state governments.
I like that the US has multiple states and can try different things.
And if it really was about saving lives, the focus should've always been on the most vulnerable portions of our population which has been well known since just after the beginning.
It's striking how much the CDC, in marshalling evidence to justify its revised mask guidance, studiously avoids mentioning randomized controlled trials. RCTs are uniformly regarded as the gold standard in medical research, yet the CDC basically ignores them apart from disparaging certain ones that particularly contradict the agency's position.Agthatbuilds said:
Proof?
https://www.city-journal.org/do-masks-work-a-review-of-the-evidence?wallit_nosession=1#.YRVj-dve0wo.facebook
They have been with us since 2004....so yeah, it's too late.Marissa99 said:cisgenderedAggie said:Marissa99 said:cisgenderedAggie said:Marissa99 said:
I hear your points, Buster.
But something else to consider -- there is still a lot that we don't know about this particular coronavirus. I really hope that there are no lingering issues from Covid that will present themselves several years from now in kids and adults. Yes, long Covid does exist. I believe this. But there is still a lot that we don't know.
On a broader note, mankind is resilient and has navigated and adapted to many adverse situations over thousands of years. One way I look at this pandemic - as unfortunate as it is - is that it's another time that we have to adapt and weather through adversity. We need to adapt to some things such as wearing masks and other safety protocols for the time being. I think many people think that mask wearing and other measures are permanent. They're not. Change is the one constant in life....
What is the basis for when the measures are resolved? Need to be specific on the endpoints here.
That's a good question. I don't know what the endpoints are. But I don't think it's ever been communicated that all these protocols e.g. social distancing, mask wearing, etc. are permanent. All pandemics end. I figure the protocols will end once the pandemic concludes, which is hopefully sooner rather than later.
This is an ineffectual answer. Previous pandemics end because of things like spread being contained or people not dying. Eradication has rarely been the outset goal and never something that has been acceptable to sit around and wait for. We have never had a pandemic occur in the midst of the level of surveillance and detection that is possible today. And because of that, simple detection with extremely sensitive assays that cannot discriminate between active infections and residual material are sufficient to implement indefinite states of emergency, regardless of additional information. "Breakthrough cases" are largely a function of this.
With today's capabilities, and today's situation, more specific endpoints can and must be attainable. No one may be communicating permanence, but the rationale behind many of these policies cannot be resolve the circulation of an endemic virus when positive cases are the endpoint. Recognizing the specter of permanence is simply a matter of applying logical reasoning, and Covid is not going away. Meanwhile, politicization and stoking of division based on these protocols intensifies with active encouragement.
No sane person should accept an "I know it when I see it" endpoint for this.
I didn't meant to imply that I'll accept "I'll know when I see it" as an endpoint. I'm not an epidemiologist, so I don't know what the endpoints should be. I still trust and believe our experts who have training and degrees to inform when the pandemic has ended or is near its conclusion.
You're right - with the capabilities and tools that we have today, more specific endpoints should be available and attainable. And with the knowledge and capabilities that we have today in the age of modern science and medicine, the outbreak should have been contained in the United States.
I agree with you that this is an endemic virus and positive cases should not be the endpoint. I gave up on any hope of eradicating this virus a long time ago. I think it's way too late.
This whole situation has been politicized from the outset, which is a shame. It should have never been about politics. It's about saving lives.
THat's not how it worksBusterAg said:Everyone I know has been sick in the last month thanks to our "immunity deficit".01agtx said:Thomas Ford 91 said:
Maybe Covid doesn't affect children, but all the Child ICU beds in North Texas are taken, so we're going to try to reduce the risk as best we can.
They are full every single winter. I have worked my ass off for years to make beds when there weren't any. Stop using this as a reason to force restrictions on people.
We are all catching colds that we would have been catching for the last two years all at once.
It is kind of unavoidable when you open back up.
30 second search on this subject, just as an example: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/warning-parents-over-spike-sick-21070750
Then how does it work?PatAg said:THat's not how it worksBusterAg said:Everyone I know has been sick in the last month thanks to our "immunity deficit".01agtx said:Thomas Ford 91 said:
Maybe Covid doesn't affect children, but all the Child ICU beds in North Texas are taken, so we're going to try to reduce the risk as best we can.
They are full every single winter. I have worked my ass off for years to make beds when there weren't any. Stop using this as a reason to force restrictions on people.
We are all catching colds that we would have been catching for the last two years all at once.
It is kind of unavoidable when you open back up.
I've been swamped with RSV, Parainfluenza, HMV, Coxsackie for the last two months especially in the 1-4 year old group. This is VERY unusual for summer, never seen it in 20 years of practice in Texas.
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I saw a statistic yesterday that showed that more kids below 12 have died from RSV during the pandemic than covid. Yet for some reason there's a mass panic about kids and the delta variant all of a sudden. What's up with that?KidDoc said:Then how does it work?PatAg said:THat's not how it worksBusterAg said:Everyone I know has been sick in the last month thanks to our "immunity deficit".01agtx said:Thomas Ford 91 said:
Maybe Covid doesn't affect children, but all the Child ICU beds in North Texas are taken, so we're going to try to reduce the risk as best we can.
They are full every single winter. I have worked my ass off for years to make beds when there weren't any. Stop using this as a reason to force restrictions on people.
We are all catching colds that we would have been catching for the last two years all at once.
It is kind of unavoidable when you open back up.
I've been swamped with RSV, Parainfluenza, HMV, Coxsackie for the last two months especially in the 1-4 year old group. This is VERY unusual for summer, never seen it in 20 years of practice in Texas.
Correlation does not equal causation.
What is an "immunity deficit"?
What is an "immunity deficit"?
KidDoc said:Then how does it work?PatAg said:THat's not how it worksBusterAg said:Everyone I know has been sick in the last month thanks to our "immunity deficit".01agtx said:Thomas Ford 91 said:
Maybe Covid doesn't affect children, but all the Child ICU beds in North Texas are taken, so we're going to try to reduce the risk as best we can.
They are full every single winter. I have worked my ass off for years to make beds when there weren't any. Stop using this as a reason to force restrictions on people.
We are all catching colds that we would have been catching for the last two years all at once.
It is kind of unavoidable when you open back up.
I've been swamped with RSV, Parainfluenza, HMV, Coxsackie for the last two months especially in the 1-4 year old group. This is VERY unusual for summer, never seen it in 20 years of practice in Texas.
Is Parainfluenze the flu that skydives into you?
https://i.postimg.cc/rpHKr9JQ/IMG-0770.jpg
RSV has been around for decades and people are familiar with the defined risk.
COVID-19 (esp delta variant) is so new and the risk is undefined with the disease, esp with long COVID-19 symptoms. When that happens people are understandably more fearful.
I would guess that as the years go by and the risk is more defined, people will become less fearful.
COVID-19 (esp delta variant) is so new and the risk is undefined with the disease, esp with long COVID-19 symptoms. When that happens people are understandably more fearful.
I would guess that as the years go by and the risk is more defined, people will become less fearful.
The fear is irresponsibly stoked by media and politicians.
Kids who get viral infection show transient immunity, usually 3-4 months, to the same infection. Due to behavior modifications related to COVID, they did not get exposure to typical winter viruses during their early mobility period (7 months-2 years). Many of these kids have been in a bubble for the majority of their lives. Now that they are doing what kids are supposed to do they are getting one infection after another and out of season because they do not have the typical temporary immunity.gunan01 said:
Correlation does not equal causation.
What is an "immunity deficit"?
I had one kid in the ER with RSV, Parainfluenza, and Rhinovirus all at the same time on a resp NAAT panel. My sick visits are not filled with COVID kids, it is almost all kids under 3 with complications from these typically winter viruses.
No material on this site is intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. See full Medical Disclaimer.
FlyRod said:
So much gaslighting and disinformation on this thread.
Yeah, people like you really need to stop it.
So after covid exposure a little over 10 days ago for the wife and I (and perhaps having mild reinfection cases- she was fatigued for about 24-48 hours and had a headache but she chalked it up to being on her period and I had what felt like seasonal allergies for about 48 hours) and the kids not having symptoms our younger one (6, turning 7 in 2 weeks) got sick earlier this week.
Fever (controlled with meds), cough, and loss of appetite.
Tested for covid and it was a big fat negative. However, he went to camp at a local day care last week. Just got notice of an RSV outbreak there. Turns out he had RSV (takes 4-6 days to manifest after exposure)- he's better now though.
This is a kid who hasn't been sick otherwise in over a year. Been outside running around like a hooligan all summer and is so tan he's brown as dirt. Went to school all last year and really didn't wear a mask at all. Playing sports and doing all the things a little boy should do. Spends a week at a summer camp at day care where there are little kids with RSV and gets sick.
Good info thanks
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