Boggles my mind how boggled other people's minds are.harge57 said:
Boggles my mind that people would vaccinate their kids for COVID.
Boggles my mind how boggled other people's minds are.harge57 said:
Boggles my mind that people would vaccinate their kids for COVID.
I'm not trying to say MIS-C isn't a concern, but we know it is caused by the Covid virus itself. There is still a lot of research on this specific condition, but if you're worried about a vaccine inducing MIS-C, you've got to also be worried about an actual Covid infection causing it (and possibly causing a worse case). Not getting vaccinated doesn't prevent MIS-C.jopatura said:
My biggest concern is that the vaccines will have the ability to trigger MIS-C in kids. Inflammatory responses is already a side effect of other vaccines. I agree for the 12-15 age group it is probably okay since they seemed to be affected by MIS-C after COVID less. I want to see children's trials with more then a few thousand participants and a long enough observation window. From what I've read, they are aware of the MIS-C concerns, but want everything wrapped up in about four months.
But for us, I think our hand is going to be forced by mask usage at the school. If the schools require vaccinations to be unmasked and make a big deal about enforcement, my 7 year old daughter is definitely going to want the vaccination. She has already asked for it because she knows we got it and she wants to ditch the mask at school.
I'm not saying kids need to be vaccinated. I'm just boggled at how boggled you are that it's somehow boggling that someone would choose to vaccinate their kids against COVID.harge57 said:
So no answers to my questions?
Please provide a rational reason kids should be vaccinated for COVID.
to limit chances of serious illness to themselves and others.harge57 said:
So no answers to my questions?
Please provide a rational reason kids should be vaccinated for COVID.
speck said:to limit chances of serious illness to themselves and others.harge57 said:
So no answers to my questions?
Please provide a rational reason kids should be vaccinated for COVID.
You rest your argument on your belief that the common strains are not serious for young people. Do you intend to take them to a COVID party while they are still a "young person" to guarantee they get it before they move into a higher risk age bracket?
(Additionally, I have enough friends with long-haul issues to say this isn't something you want to get.)
KidDoc said:
The risk to kids is small for sure, but it is not none. Especially 15-25 the risk of death is significantly more than flu.
Now I'm sure almost all of those young deaths had complicating conditions but that data is hard to find.
Swimming and riding in a car and suicide are still more likely to kill people under 25, but to say the risk is none is hyperbolic.
harge57 said:speck said:to limit chances of serious illness to themselves and others.harge57 said:
So no answers to my questions?
Please provide a rational reason kids should be vaccinated for COVID.
You rest your argument on your belief that the common strains are not serious for young people. Do you intend to take them to a COVID party while they are still a "young person" to guarantee they get it before they move into a higher risk age bracket?
(Additionally, I have enough friends with long-haul issues to say this isn't something you want to get.)
I would rather give my kid COVID then give them the vaccine. And to my earlier point about antibody testing before vaccination my kids have most likely have already beaten COVID. My wife and I did not quarantine from our kids when we had COVID. We were pretty much asymptomatic except some loss of smell, but the risk of something bad occurring from them being exposed to COVID is basically 0.
There have been 10 million kids that have had COVID and the risk of that is VERY well known. (None). Basically as long as they don't have a very significant existing health problem then they are 100% fine and most likely will not even have symptoms.
Now if 1 million 5 year olds take the vaccine and there are absolutely no issues then the risk of the vaccine will approach the same level of COVID.
I am really not arguing the vaccine isn't safe for kids. It most likely is absolutely fine. I give my kids a bunch of other vaccines with no issue.
My issue is there is no purpose to give a kid the vaccine. And without it being substantially proven I fall on the side of no intervention.
harge57 said:speck said:to limit chances of serious illness to themselves and others.harge57 said:
So no answers to my questions?
Please provide a rational reason kids should be vaccinated for COVID.
You rest your argument on your belief that the common strains are not serious for young people. Do you intend to take them to a COVID party while they are still a "young person" to guarantee they get it before they move into a higher risk age bracket?
(Additionally, I have enough friends with long-haul issues to say this isn't something you want to get.)
I would rather give my kid COVID then give them the vaccine. And to my earlier point about antibody testing before vaccination my kids have most likely have already beaten COVID. My wife and I did not quarantine from our kids when we had COVID. We were pretty much asymptomatic except some loss of smell, but the risk of something bad occurring from them being exposed to COVID is basically 0.
There have been 10 million kids that have had COVID and the risk of that is VERY well known. (None). Basically as long as they don't have a very significant existing health problem then they are 100% fine and most likely will not even have symptoms.
Now if 1 million 5 year olds take the vaccine and there are absolutely no issues then the risk of the vaccine will approach the same level of COVID.
I am really not arguing the vaccine isn't safe for kids. It most likely is absolutely fine. I give my kids a bunch of other vaccines with no issue.
My issue is there is no purpose to give a kid the vaccine. And without it being substantially proven I fall on the side of no intervention.
That graph depicts mortality. Do you have any data on morbidity?harge57 said:
I mean its literally 1 in a million.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/science-and-society-are-failing-children-in-the-covid-era/
This is a rather interesting position. I don't understand why in this situation just giving your kids the vaccine isn't preferred to them getting COVID and then getting the vaccine. I am curious to understand the rationale.Quote:
I would rather give my kid COVID then give them the vaccine.
Do you have one for morbidity from Covid in young children after they have already had Covid?bigtruckguy3500 said:That graph depicts mortality. Do you have any data on morbidity?harge57 said:
I mean its literally 1 in a million.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/science-and-society-are-failing-children-in-the-covid-era/
I don't think parents who would choose to not vaccinate for covid would turn around and vaccinate after their kid tests positive for covid, if that is what you are saying here. Not sure why they would, as durable immunity seems to be a thing in the recovered.rbcs_2 said:This is a rather interesting position. I don't understand why in this situation just giving your kids the vaccine isn't preferred to them getting COVID and then getting the vaccine. I am curious to understand the rationale.Quote:
I would rather give my kid COVID then give them the vaccine.
Not following how that's relevant. If one is willing to vaccinate their kids, why wait until after they have already gotten COVID? Why not vaccinate before?SoupNazi2001 said:rbcs_2 said:This is a rather interesting position. I don't understand why in this situation just giving your kids the vaccine isn't preferred to them getting COVID and then getting the vaccine. I am curious to understand the rationale.Quote:
I would rather give my kid COVID then give them the vaccine.
Because Covid isn't dangerous to kids.
What about the inverse of that?AGGODDESS said:
Two things --
1. I'm more concerned your wife would care more about a physician that she doesn't know and what they tell her about the kids getting the vaccine -- i.e. why does that person have more credence than your opinion as to their dad/her husband (I assume this is the case)... there's no huge rush per say that demands disrespecting your wishes, IMO...there is time for compromise for sure.
2. As someone who lost a child at 18 months to a "1 in a million cancer" one of the only reasons I am able to function daily and am not daily haunted by losing him is because I know a) we did not "cause" and could not have prevented it and b) there was no option for saving him via treatment. I implore you to realize the 1 in a million, while low, does happen -- either from COVID or from vaccine just as it does from super rare cancers like my son's. That understood I would ask you and your wife "Do you wish to have made the choice for your children knowing that 1 in a million chance or not?" That would be something to consider.
Perhaps the best option, for now, is to let it ride and give your kids a homework assignment to work on together over the next few months to research reputable websites and possibly decide for themselves. Critically analyze the options for and against. You will not only prove your trust in their judgment but allow them to learn and grow. Based on their opinions and argument then you and your wife may collectively feel ok with whatever choice is made.
I can promise you, you do NOT want to be the one to choose to give them the vaccine (against your gut) and something goes haywire and you have that on your conscience.
edit: I am not medical, I have not posted on this board before, weirdly enough I looked at it today and saw this post and felt compelled to respond. I'm just a boring old mom of three kids
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I can promise you, you do NOT want to be the one to choose to not to give them the vaccine (against your gut) and something goes haywire and you have that on your conscience.
I think the guy meant "I would rather give my kid COVID than give them the vaccine."rbcs_2 said:Not following how that's relevant. If one is willing to vaccinate their kids, why wait until after they have already gotten COVID? Why not vaccinate before?SoupNazi2001 said:rbcs_2 said:This is a rather interesting position. I don't understand why in this situation just giving your kids the vaccine isn't preferred to them getting COVID and then getting the vaccine. I am curious to understand the rationale.Quote:
I would rather give my kid COVID then give them the vaccine.
Because Covid isn't dangerous to kids.
That's what I was responding to.
More recent data from CDC since virus began:Quote:
Mortality rate per million for children aged 5-14 in the U.S. for COVID-19 (March-October 2020) and other leading causes of death (March-October 2018). Data from "COVID-19 as the Leading Cause of Death in the United States," by Steven H. Woolf, et al., JAMA, Vol. 325, December 17, 2020. Credit: Nason Maani
No reason a 17 and 14 year old should get it......bucky91 said:
I have 2 daughters, 17 and 14 and the wife is wanting to have them get the COVID vaccine. I am not wanting to. Risk v reward is slight for kids. I would rather hold out and see some results and more info on an experimental vaccine. Kids pediatrician pushing it. Would love to send my wife to a local Austin doctor to present an alternate view...