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Agthatbuilds said:

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Okay. But where are the studies that show masks are effective with daily use by the general population?

The cdc and others have estimated mask compliance is at least 85%. Where are the results?

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Google provides plenty of studies and articles that claim they help. I'm sure I can find the inverse just as easily.
For me the idea of a masks working is mostly from common sense. If I sneeze or cough, I don't have to bend my mind very much to visualize how a face covering would keep my germs to my self, at least to some extent.

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You didn't answer his question.

The mask mandates have zero data to show they work with community spread. Ie, actually helping prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed, which is what this was supposed to be about.

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beerad12man said:

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Found them. Read the same ones you have. For months on this subject, actually.

None account for human behavior and common sense real world. Making the public policy of enforcing them all but useless, and the data online you can google to quickly show that.

Now, just that a covering over your face could potentially block viral particles. Well duh. I didn't need articles to know that. If that's enough for you to change your culture, go for it. It isn't for me. I want verifiable data that they make a noticeable difference in communal spread. I haven't seen it.

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t - cam said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Okay. But where are the studies that show masks are effective with daily use by the general population?

The cdc and others have estimated mask compliance is at least 85%. Where are the results?

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Google provides plenty of studies and articles that claim they help. I'm sure I can find the inverse just as easily.
For me the idea of a masks working is mostly from common sense. If I sneeze or cough, I don't have to bend my mind very much to visualize how a face covering would keep my germs to my self, at least to some extent.

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cecil, I agree with you, but if you think our Supreme Court is going to rule that the government is over-extending its power during a pandemic by health mandates then I think you are probably going to be disappointed. There will be an outlier or two (Thomas, Alito, maybe Barrett, need to see more of her rulings) but in general we have too many on the court that are willing to cede freedoms to government, especially in cases of emergency like this.

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I Am A Critic said:

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aTm2004 said:

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t - cam said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Okay. But where are the studies that show masks are effective with daily use by the general population?

The cdc and others have estimated mask compliance is at least 85%. Where are the results?

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Google provides plenty of studies and articles that claim they help. I'm sure I can find the inverse just as easily.
For me the idea of a masks working is mostly from common sense. If I sneeze or cough, I don't have to bend my mind very much to visualize how a face covering would keep my germs to my self, at least to some extent.

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I was at an event last night where I had to wear a mask, and each time I breathed out, I saw my breath due to the cold. All the mask did was redirect where the air went, but it still filled the area around me.

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And a portion of the vapor you exhaled was contained by the mask. That's why they're worn.

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Knucklesammich said:

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aTm2004 said:

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3rd Generation Ag said:

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I was finally going to go to the grocery store for the first time in a year. Now not so sure. Will have to see if others grant me social distance and at least the store people continue to mask. I have had both shots, but they are only 95 percent effective. I am high risk.

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As my dad said last year when he invited us over...what kind of life can you live if you don't live?

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My mom and dad got their second shots three or so weeks ago. My mom put a star in the calendar for the two week mark after that second shot. She texted us all and said masks and social distance rules no longer applied at their house.

My son stayed at her house that night. It was the happiest I think I had ever seen her.

They're both 75. He has bone cancer and she has mild COPD from 25+ years of smoking.

Everyone makes their own choices of course, but the fact that the vaccines are virtually 100% at preventing severe COVID met their requirements for living.

Fear can be healthy, it keeps us from doing stupid things, but fear run un-checked is dangerous as it keeps us from doing healthy things...we are tribal/social we need that interaction.

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So, let me make sure I understand what you're saying...your parents are not only in the highest risk age group, but they also have medical issues that compound that, so y'all made the decision to do what y'all felt was best? That's exactly how it should work. We do not need the government to mandate others do anything special in order to help your parents. Others do not need to change their lifestyle or be forced to do something in order to help your parents. It's a cold take, but that's reality. The precautions they need/should take are much different than a healthy 28 year old, or the young family who wants to fly somewhere for vacation without fear of getting thrown off the plane because their 2 year old won't wear a mask. Those precautions are on you, not me or anyone else.

And in all honesty, if I'm in my mid-70's, there's not a chance in hell I'd hole myself up for one of my few remaining years on earth. My dad's attitude is right. He's 66 and estimates he may have about 5 good years left before he's making frequent trips to the doctor or will have issues getting around, and he'll tell you flat out that he'd prefer to die at 68 living his life vs 70 and holing up trying to add time.

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Girlfriend watched a starbucks barista get berated this morning after asking a customer to put on a mask, so this will be a fun couple of weeks it looks like.

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Heaven forbid someone working customer service would have to interact with a customer.

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And I'm happy about Abbott rescinding something he had no right to do in the first place.

Truly frightening that Gov/county judges/mayors can shut down business and dictate personal behaviors by executive fiat.

I truly hope that over the next several years there are thousands of lawsuits around the country and that eventually the SCOTUS definitively rules the petty tyrants can behave so.

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And a portion of the vapor you exhaled was contained by the mask. That's why they're worn.

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jamey said:

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Obviously masks don't stop the spread, nothing does and nobody ever said it does. It reduces spread, just like every other measure from social distancing to vaccines. It reduces the spread.


Furthermore masks can reduce the viral load if infected which has an impact on the severity of illness

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agforlife97 said:

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jamey said:

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Obviously masks don't stop the spread, nothing does and nobody ever said it does. It reduces spread, just like every other measure from social distancing to vaccines. It reduces the spread.


Furthermore masks can reduce the viral load if infected which has an impact on the severity of illness

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Is there unequivocal scientific support for this view? If so, seems odd that this is the first time we've done a mask mandate in the US considering all the pandemics we've been through.

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Agthatbuilds said:

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t - cam said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Okay. But where are the studies that show masks are effective with daily use by the general population?

The cdc and others have estimated mask compliance is at least 85%. Where are the results?

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Google provides plenty of studies and articles that claim they help. I'm sure I can find the inverse just as easily.
For me the idea of a masks working is mostly from common sense. If I sneeze or cough, I don't have to bend my mind very much to visualize how a face covering would keep my germs to my self, at least to some extent.

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Please, point to the study. I'm not saying it doesnt exist. I just havent read one yet.

Every study ive seen says mask can be beneficial, so long as some other factors are followed. Those other factors are: type of mask, fit of mask, cleanliness of mask, use of mask, etc. Absent of those factors being up to par, masks dont do too much and might make it so your are increasing your viral load.

Further, mask compliance has been high per the nyt and cdc and some others. If that fact is indeed accurate, then it should follow that the virus would have been mitigated to some extent.

But that isnt what happened. So, in the end, what did mask do except become a political wedge?

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agforlife97 said:

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jamey said:

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Obviously masks don't stop the spread, nothing does and nobody ever said it does. It reduces spread, just like every other measure from social distancing to vaccines. It reduces the spread.


Furthermore masks can reduce the viral load if infected which has an impact on the severity of illness

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Is there unequivocal scientific support for this view? If so, seems odd that this is the first time we've done a mask mandate in the US considering all the pandemics we've been through.

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All the pandemics?

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My previous comment was deleted but the responses in this thread just iterate the point I was making. We're not as pro-life as we may think we are when people turn a simple mask into a burden like Sisyphus with his rock. I thought all lives mattered, but apparently we can dismiss a few so we won't be inconvenienced with a mask.

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But lets all reflect on how far we have moved away from freedom and the values that the United States was founded on. Today we had the governor of a conservative , southern state tell the citizens that "you may now operate your business at 100 percent". We all cheered and rejoiced....as if that was a perfectly legitimate thing to be taken away in the first place.

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JP_Losman said:

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Sweet. Where did you see that announcement?

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t - cam said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Okay. But where are the studies that show masks are effective with daily use by the general population?

The cdc and others have estimated mask compliance is at least 85%. Where are the results?

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Google provides plenty of studies and articles that claim they help. I'm sure I can find the inverse just as easily.
For me the idea of a masks working is mostly from common sense. If I sneeze or cough, I don't have to bend my mind very much to visualize how a face covering would keep my germs to my self, at least to some extent.

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