The whole parking lot is currently blocked off. Anyone got any idea what's going on?
Stadium expansion
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If you don't know, does *anyone* know?
Imma find out but I haven't been over there since last week
To whom do I make my check to? I'll gladly pony up a mid-six figure donation.
BartInLA said:
To whom do I make my check to? I'll gladly pony up a mid-six figure donation.
Yeah, but how many of those figures are to the right of the decimal point?
Angry Beaver said:Sean98 said:
So, cheap seats are needed... But cheap seats suck?
The berms fill a real niche which is why hundreds of stadiums in college and MiLB use them.
Not even close. Consider where College Station is located, and you're never going to have casual fans drive between 1 and 3 hours to watch a game from a grass berm, assuming they'll find a comfortable spot.
Never? I bring my family of 5 to a game (sometimes two if sports anlign) every year and love the berm experience. Wish there was more berm! Need an outfield berm.
A is A said:Angry Beaver said:Sean98 said:
So, cheap seats are needed... But cheap seats suck?
The berms fill a real niche which is why hundreds of stadiums in college and MiLB use them.
Not even close. Consider where College Station is located, and you're never going to have casual fans drive between 1 and 3 hours to watch a game from a grass berm, assuming they'll find a comfortable spot.
Never? I bring my family of 5 to a game (sometimes two if sports anlign) every year and love the berm experience. Wish there was more berm! Need an outfield berm.
This. People tend to assume that everyone is like them. We can fill Olsen pretty consistently without relying on folks coming in from out of town who won't make the trip to sit on grass. A lot of families, who, like the out of town folks, can't make every game, will gladly sit on the berm with their kids.
When Florida built their new park, they included two huge berms, and the fans love them. Dudy Noble has two berm areas.
If you don't like berms (and it's not where I'd want to sit, either), maybe consider the fact that the berms aren't for you, and that's OK. I wouldn't want a suite, either, even if I could afford it. We are going to have a mix of seating, and it will likely include some significant berm areas.
annie88 said:LOYAL AG said:GigEm04 said:
Not needed til earley goes
Not even a little bit true but it always amusing when people state with such confidence things that are provably false. Demand continues to far outpace supply even as prices rise annually.
Sad two people gave you stars.
At least it was voted out. I'm so sick of that kind of garbage.
"Vote" is a strong word.
twk said:A is A said:Angry Beaver said:Sean98 said:
So, cheap seats are needed... But cheap seats suck?
The berms fill a real niche which is why hundreds of stadiums in college and MiLB use them.
Not even close. Consider where College Station is located, and you're never going to have casual fans drive between 1 and 3 hours to watch a game from a grass berm, assuming they'll find a comfortable spot.
Never? I bring my family of 5 to a game (sometimes two if sports anlign) every year and love the berm experience. Wish there was more berm! Need an outfield berm.
This. People tend to assume that everyone is like them. We can fill Olsen pretty consistently without relying on folks coming in from out of town who won't make the trip to sit on grass. A lot of families, who, like the out of town folks, can't make every game, will gladly sit on the berm with their kids.
When Florida built their new park, they included two huge berms, and the fans love them. Dudy Noble has two berm areas.
If you don't like berms (and it's not where I'd want to sit, either), maybe consider the fact that the berms aren't for you, and that's OK. I wouldn't want a suite, either, even if I could afford it. We are going to have a mix of seating, and it will likely include some significant berm areas.
What is the main difference between those stadiums and Olsen?
They're much larger and have more seating capacity.
Edit: Honestly, I can't believe I have to point that out.
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What is the main difference between those stadiums and Olsen?
They're much larger and have more seating capacity.
False. Florida's stadium has about the same number of real seats as Olsen.
MSU has about 7500 real seats. When they draw 15,000, half are standing, sitting on the berm, or in the left field lounge boxes (where they may or may not have some kind of seat).
Hell. Just extend seats down the baseline. Add a few suites. Then berm the outfield.
Win win win
Win win win
Ok. You win. Let's keep Olsen the way it is because the complaints about seating options since the day the remodeled version opened have been unfounded.
No idea how previous Olsen was able to sell out while playing in a conference that cared much less than the SEC does. Good thing seating capacity was reduced.
No idea how previous Olsen was able to sell out while playing in a conference that cared much less than the SEC does. Good thing seating capacity was reduced.
Exactly what I suggested in my previous post. Better quality seats down the lines, berm the outfield.A is A said:
Hell. Just extend seats down the baseline. Add a few suites. Then berm the outfield.
Win win win
Angry Beaver said:
Ok. You win. Let's keep Olsen the way it is because the complaints about seating options since the day the remodeled version opened have been unfounded.
No idea how previous Olsen was able to sell out while playing in a conference that cared much less than the SEC does. Good thing seating capacity was reduced.
Because it didn't sell out except when the few big names came to town. I never had to get season tickets until blue bell renovations.
It was easy to buy single game seats vs the sips or Baylor, then sit GA for pretty much every other game you wanted. It was very easy to get post season tickets.
Also there was a phase II that never got implemented because baseball gets pushed down on the AD priority list and the donors apparently aren't willing to write the checks.
We got what we got only because blue bell came in and wrote the check to finish off what we have.
Personally, I'm not entirely sure we need a complete re-do.
Why can't we build some nicer, more permanent seats in Sec. 12, some between the scoreboard and the batter's eye, and something between the LF fence and the Rec Center? Maybe tie directly into the Rec Center and if there's structural capacity put some railings and cheap seats on the roof of the Rec?
Why can't we build some nicer, more permanent seats in Sec. 12, some between the scoreboard and the batter's eye, and something between the LF fence and the Rec Center? Maybe tie directly into the Rec Center and if there's structural capacity put some railings and cheap seats on the roof of the Rec?
Angry Beaver said:
Ok. You win. Let's keep Olsen the way it is because the complaints about seating options since the day the remodeled version opened have been unfounded.
No idea how previous Olsen was able to sell out while playing in a conference that cared much less than the SEC does. Good thing seating capacity was reduced.
Nice straw man. Not what I said at all. Not even close.
I'm being selfish but I hope they don't ever expand to the point of reseating because I have 0 faith in the 12th Man Foundation not screwing over fans that have had same seats 10+ years.
Bondag said:
I'm being selfish but I hope they don't ever expand to the point of reseating because I have 0 faith in the 12th Man Foundation not screwing over fans that have had same seats 10+ years.
If the expansion happens, I think there will 100% be a re-seating. They must take into account length of term for season ticket holders in addition to PP points, imo. But they could easily say baseball season ticket holders got fat by not making donations to the TMF since they didn't have to and punish them by re-seating based on PP.
The bleachers along the right field line were typically, and largely empty unless it was a big series.
They will have to reseat in order to give the big donors a reason to pony up. What I don't want to see is someone who has a high priority thanks to football donations edge out longtime season ticket holders just because they can. So, what I would do, as a compromise, is to do reseating in two phases. Phase One would be for major donors to the expansion project, setting a threshold like $500,000 or so, and existing season ticket holders. There would be a lot of movement but no one who has seats now would be pushed out. Then, Phase Two would be everyone based on priory points.12th Man Ag said:Bondag said:
I'm being selfish but I hope they don't ever expand to the point of reseating because I have 0 faith in the 12th Man Foundation not screwing over fans that have had same seats 10+ years.
If the expansion happens, I think there will 100% be a re-seating. They must take into account length of term for season ticket holders in addition to PP points, imo. But they could easily say baseball season ticket holders got fat by not making donations to the TMF since they didn't have to and punish them by re-seating based on PP.
Buford T. Justice said:
The bleachers along the right field line were typically, and largely empty unless it was a big series.
I think expanding the seats (upper and lower decks) down the LF line make more sense. Those RF bleachers back in the day were an oven!
I think the real problem with expansion is that we don't just need more seats, we need more premium seats. Where will we put those? I think expanding the Club sections are the only choice outside of a few more suites.
If they do that, lots of long time season ticket holders will be displaced. I would think they would take all of 104-110 and make them Club seats.
I also think they should move the press box and make the press box a club similar to the Insperity Club at Daikin. Then build the press box on top of the club.
twk said:They will have to reseat in order to give the big donors a reason to pony up. What I don't want to see is someone who has a high priority thanks to football donations edge out longtime season ticket holders just because they can. So, what I would do, as a compromise, is to do reseating in two phases. Phase One would be for major donors to the expansion project, setting a threshold like $500,000 or so, and existing season ticket holders. There would be a lot of movement but no one who has seats now would be pushed out. Then, Phase Two would be everyone based on priory points.12th Man Ag said:Bondag said:
I'm being selfish but I hope they don't ever expand to the point of reseating because I have 0 faith in the 12th Man Foundation not screwing over fans that have had same seats 10+ years.
If the expansion happens, I think there will 100% be a re-seating. They must take into account length of term for season ticket holders in addition to PP points, imo. But they could easily say baseball season ticket holders got fat by not making donations to the TMF since they didn't have to and punish them by re-seating based on PP.
Agreed. This is how it SHOULD be done, but the Kyle Field re-seating showed us they don't always make the best choices.
There will still be some season ticket holders burned by that process because even in the first wave, there will be some season ticket holders who came to the party late, but have significant priority points from football that will displace some long-term season ticket holders who have exceptional lower level seats. I don't think they will simply give existing season ticket holders the right of first refusal. They will still be ranked by Priority points, even though they get to select before non-season ticket holders.
If the need is more premium seats or suite-type seats, is there any way to build on top of the existing structure?
Angry Beaver said:
Ok. You win. Let's keep Olsen the way it is because the complaints about seating options since the day the remodeled version opened have been unfounded.
No idea how previous Olsen was able to sell out while playing in a conference that cared much less than the SEC does. Good thing seating capacity was reduced.
The complaints about Olsen did not start in 2012. They had to almost force me to buy club seats. And they almost never sold out prior to entering the SEC.
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TarponChaser said:
If the need is more premium seats or suite-type seats, is there any way to build on top of the existing structure?
The longer this goes on, the more I become in favor of bulldozing and starting all over. A club should have visual access to the field.
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dermdoc said:TarponChaser said:
If the need is more premium seats or suite-type seats, is there any way to build on top of the existing structure?
The longer this goes on, the more I become in favor of bulldozing and starting all over. A club should have visual access to the field.
Which is why I suggested a club in place of the press box where you can still see the field.
Buford T. Justice said:
The bleachers along the right field line were typically, and largely empty unless it was a big series.
And gave you 3rd degree burns on those day games in late April
dermdoc said:TarponChaser said:
If the need is more premium seats or suite-type seats, is there any way to build on top of the existing structure?
The longer this goes on, the more I become in favor of bulldozing and starting all over. A club should have visual access to the field.
You hit the nail on the head in a post, something along the lines of for some reason baseball has been a step child with the major donors
Become a major donor???
But sunk cost fallacy???dermdoc said:TarponChaser said:
If the need is more premium seats or suite-type seats, is there any way to build on top of the existing structure?
The longer this goes on, the more I become in favor of bulldozing and starting all over. A club should have visual access to the field.
twk said:They will have to reseat in order to give the big donors a reason to pony up. What I don't want to see is someone who has a high priority thanks to football donations edge out longtime season ticket holders just because they can. So, what I would do, as a compromise, is to do reseating in two phases. Phase One would be for major donors to the expansion project, setting a threshold like $500,000 or so, and existing season ticket holders. There would be a lot of movement but no one who has seats now would be pushed out. Then, Phase Two would be everyone based on priory points.12th Man Ag said:Bondag said:
I'm being selfish but I hope they don't ever expand to the point of reseating because I have 0 faith in the 12th Man Foundation not screwing over fans that have had same seats 10+ years.
If the expansion happens, I think there will 100% be a re-seating. They must take into account length of term for season ticket holders in addition to PP points, imo. But they could easily say baseball season ticket holders got fat by not making donations to the TMF since they didn't have to and punish them by re-seating based on PP.
If they expand but don't do anything to the existing seats what's the justification for reseating? With Kyle they could argue that they tore down the entire west side so your seats didn't exist anymore. I don't think the plan they floated a couple of years ago included anything that drastic so I just don't see how they justify it. I've said for years if I get a chance to buy my existing tickets and can't afford them I'm fine but if I get forced out for someone with more priority points I'll politely decline and find something else to do with my time and money. They won't miss me but I've sat in that basic spot for 31 years and that should matter. If it doesn't so be it.
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
LOYAL AG said:twk said:12th Man Ag said:Bondag said:
I'm being selfish but I hope they don't ever expand to the point of reseating because I have 0 faith in the 12th Man Foundation not screwing over fans that have had same seats 10+ years.
If the expansion happens, I think there will 100% be a re-seating. They must take into account length of term for season ticket holders in addition to PP points, imo. But they could easily say baseball season ticket holders got fat by not making donations to the TMF since they didn't have to and punish them by re-seating based on PP.
They will have to reseat in order to give the big donors a reason to pony up. What I don't want to see is someone who has a high priority thanks to football donations edge out longtime season ticket holders just because they can. So, what I would do, as a compromise, is to do reseating in two phases. Phase One would be for major donors to the expansion project, setting a threshold like $500,000 or so, and existing season ticket holders. There would be a lot of movement but no one who has seats now would be pushed out. Then, Phase Two would be everyone based on priory points.
If they expand but don't do anything to the existing seats what's the justification for reseating? With Kyle they could argue that they tore down the entire west side so your seats didn't exist anymore. I don't think the plan they floated a couple of years ago included anything that drastic so I just don't see how they justify it. I've said for years if I get a chance to buy my existing tickets and can't afford them I'm fine but if I get forced out for someone with more priority points I'll politely decline and find something else to do with my time and money. They won't miss me but I've sat in that basic spot for 31 years and that should matter. If it doesn't so be it.
FWIW, I agree with you.
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12th Man Ag said:twk said:They will have to reseat in order to give the big donors a reason to pony up. What I don't want to see is someone who has a high priority thanks to football donations edge out longtime season ticket holders just because they can. So, what I would do, as a compromise, is to do reseating in two phases. Phase One would be for major donors to the expansion project, setting a threshold like $500,000 or so, and existing season ticket holders. There would be a lot of movement but no one who has seats now would be pushed out. Then, Phase Two would be everyone based on priory points.12th Man Ag said:Bondag said:
I'm being selfish but I hope they don't ever expand to the point of reseating because I have 0 faith in the 12th Man Foundation not screwing over fans that have had same seats 10+ years.
If the expansion happens, I think there will 100% be a re-seating. They must take into account length of term for season ticket holders in addition to PP points, imo. But they could easily say baseball season ticket holders got fat by not making donations to the TMF since they didn't have to and punish them by re-seating based on PP.
Agreed. This is how it SHOULD be done, but the Kyle Field re-seating showed us they don't always make the best choices.
There will still be some season ticket holders burned by that process because even in the first wave, there will be some season ticket holders who came to the party late, but have significant priority points from football that will displace some long-term season ticket holders who have exceptional lower level seats. I don't think they will simply give existing season ticket holders the right of first refusal. They will still be ranked by Priority points, even though they get to select before non-season ticket holders.
I have season tix in big 3 but know some around me don't. I really just don't want to have to move out of shade.
LOYAL AG said:twk said:12th Man Ag said:Bondag said:
I'm being selfish but I hope they don't ever expand to the point of reseating because I have 0 faith in the 12th Man Foundation not screwing over fans that have had same seats 10+ years.
If the expansion happens, I think there will 100% be a re-seating. They must take into account length of term for season ticket holders in addition to PP points, imo. But they could easily say baseball season ticket holders got fat by not making donations to the TMF since they didn't have to and punish them by re-seating based on PP.
They will have to reseat in order to give the big donors a reason to pony up. What I don't want to see is someone who has a high priority thanks to football donations edge out longtime season ticket holders just because they can. So, what I would do, as a compromise, is to do reseating in two phases. Phase One would be for major donors to the expansion project, setting a threshold like $500,000 or so, and existing season ticket holders. There would be a lot of movement but no one who has seats now would be pushed out. Then, Phase Two would be everyone based on priory points.
If they expand but don't do anything to the existing seats what's the justification for reseating? With Kyle they could argue that they tore down the entire west side so your seats didn't exist anymore. I don't think the plan they floated a couple of years ago included anything that drastic so I just don't see how they justify it. I've said for years if I get a chance to buy my existing tickets and can't afford them I'm fine but if I get forced out for someone with more priority points I'll politely decline and find something else to do with my time and money. They won't miss me but I've sat in that basic spot for 31 years and that should matter. If it doesn't so be it.
I'd love to be given the right of first refusal, but the price increases we have seen in recent years indicate that they would have to raise prices to an insane level in order to shake loose enough tickets to reward people who have money to give for the expansion project but don't currently have tickets. We probably can't fund an expansion by just passing the hat among current season ticket holders, so you have to find a way to make room for new folks who will write those checks.
If you try to free up tickets by simply continuing to ratchet up prices, but do it in one year, you will probably have to overshoot and go way above what the market will sustain over the long term because odds are that, at some point, demand will soften and you will have empty seats.
I would love to wrong and be given the right of first refusal even if they want to charge club prices for where we sit, but I doubt that's what they will do. There are also some high dollar people who have managed to acquire some tickets, but not what they really want, and they will want a reseating no matter what.
Money talks, and the money is probably going to want premium seats, one way or another.
Like I said, I think they will expand the Club seating from 104-110. Maybe that won't push too many folks out if they offer you right of first refusal, but I think they will push current season ticket holders out of those seats to make way for those $500k and up donors to the expansion. Then, I wouldn't be surprised to see them sell off all the other tickets based on PP. I could be wrong, but this is what will be viewed as "fair" by the TMF.
Maybe if you currently have club seats, you are offered right of first refusal, but anyone in the sections that are converted over to club seats will be in Phase 2 with all existing season ticket holders in PP order.
But, really, we may never expand the dang thing because college sports are now about paying players, not building things for the fans (unless those things they build bring in LOTS of revenue). And, I don't know if anything we can add to the current park will bring in LOTS of revenue other than more suites for $200k per year.
Maybe if you currently have club seats, you are offered right of first refusal, but anyone in the sections that are converted over to club seats will be in Phase 2 with all existing season ticket holders in PP order.
But, really, we may never expand the dang thing because college sports are now about paying players, not building things for the fans (unless those things they build bring in LOTS of revenue). And, I don't know if anything we can add to the current park will bring in LOTS of revenue other than more suites for $200k per year.
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