dermdoc said:

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Walt Longmire said:

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I would prefer new as well. But $120M+ cost. Right after centennial campaign. Not sure we got the jack right now. Plus, I hear that university and system leaders are not keen on a new location.

If renovation estimates come in the $75M and under range I expect that is the route. If higher than that, we really need to look at a new one with different funding sources.

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The question becomes is where do we play when they are doing the new or re build?

Can they do it in one offseason?

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I can see it being done in phases, maybe if we stay put.

I'm leaning towards moving it to rec fields, you can double the amount of available space, plus you could actually work in road where you can use parking that exist across from the Bush Library.

then use Olsen for rec sports which is right there by their building, parking or even make green space, tailgate area. Since some of that will be lost in the future at H lot and some has been lost with Aggie Park.

take the time, do the fundraising, do it right. I almost feel like we're gonna make another mistake like we did before.

dermdoc said:

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Walt Longmire said:

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I would prefer new as well. But $120M+ cost. Right after centennial campaign. Not sure we got the jack right now. Plus, I hear that university and system leaders are not keen on a new location.

If renovation estimates come in the $75M and under range I expect that is the route. If higher than that, we really need to look at a new one with different funding sources.

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The question becomes is where do we play when they are doing the new or re build?

Can they do it in one offseason?

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We could probably build new on Lot 67 (just south of the tracks and north of Old Main Dr) if it came to that and still have the tracks and proximity to established parking, but I'm betting on renovation.

twk said:

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dermdoc said:

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Walt Longmire said:

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I would prefer new as well. But $120M+ cost. Right after centennial campaign. Not sure we got the jack right now. Plus, I hear that university and system leaders are not keen on a new location.

If renovation estimates come in the $75M and under range I expect that is the route. If higher than that, we really need to look at a new one with different funding sources.

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The question becomes is where do we play when they are doing the new or re build?

Can they do it in one offseason?

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We could probably build new on Lot 67 (just south of the tracks and north of Old Main Dr) if it came to that and still have the tracks and proximity to established parking, but I'm betting on renovation.

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There isn't much parking there, remember H lot is about to get building on part of it. Unless you're tearing down the existing buildings there.

I think the rec fields would be most logical place for new build.

CapCityAg89 said:

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Not asking what he'd make ME do - asking what he has to do after I've satisfied his majesty.

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Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

And twk is my personal consigliere so there is that.

I would prefer building new and using Olsen while we build.

Do it right. The money will come.

And I completely trust Ross and Schloss to do it right for the long term.

I'd hate to leave Olsen Field but expansion is difficult to almost impossible with the expansion of the Rec Center.

jkag89 said:

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I'd hate to leave Olsen Field but expansion is difficult to almost impossible with the expansion of the Rec Center.

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Agree completely. I am just not sure we have the space in the present site to do what we need to do.

CapCityAg89 said:

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Not asking what he'd make ME do - asking what he has to do after I've satisfied his majesty.

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Are you trying to ask what he has to do to sell it?

It's just like any other seat. He can sell/give it away through whatever means then just transfer through the 12th Man.

Or he can post it on StubHub.

trouble said:

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CapCityAg89 said:

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Not asking what he'd make ME do - asking what he has to do after I've satisfied his majesty.

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Are you trying to ask what he has to do to sell it?

It's just like any other seat. He can sell/give it away through whatever means then just transfer through the 12th Man.

Or he can post it on StubHub.

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I never sell my tickets. I only give them away. Much easier.

And I would never give them away to anyone who beeches about empty season ticket holder seats.

Sorry.

Walt Longmire said:

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Or over by the Bush Library. We could trade trains for planes.

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I really like that idea.

If we're building from mostly scratch we do it in the same location. I would bet We simply push the stadium back towards parking lot and try to use as much of the existing infrastructures possible like we did with Kyle.

Have they looked at that option?

TxA&Mhunter said:

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If we're building from mostly scratch we do it in the same location. I would bet We simply push the stadium back towards parking lot and try to use as much of the existing infrastructures possible like we did with Kyle.

Have they looked at that option?

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I am okay with that but what do you do for parking?

I know you don't. I think he was trying to figure out how much work it is.

The easiest answer is a multi level garage in the parking lot between stadium and the old softball .
That way it could be used for football track in baseball.

TxA&Mhunter said:

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The easiest answer is a multi level garage in the parking lot between stadium and the old softball .
That way it could be used for football track in baseball.

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I hate garages.

Are you an engineer?

Not at all.

TxA&Mhunter said:

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Not at all.

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So if you buy season baseball tickets, do you want to park in a garage?

TxA&Mhunter said:

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If we're building from mostly scratch we do it in the same location. I would bet We simply push the stadium back towards parking lot and try to use as much of the existing infrastructures possible like we did with Kyle.

Have they looked at that option?

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Not sure how you move the entire stadium back and keep any existing infrastructure except maybe the scoreboard

Also that requires playing away from Olsen for at least a year. I don't see them doing that at all

TxA&Mhunter said:

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If we're building from mostly scratch we do it in the same location. I would bet We simply push the stadium back towards parking lot and try to use as much of the existing infrastructures possible like we did with Kyle.

Have they looked at that option?

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Where will we play if they decide to go with a rebuild in the current location? Travis Field? Any other realistic options?

I'm guessing they can start the construction and do all of the behind the outfield wall stands/infrastructure during the season and then all of the changes to existing infrastructure in the offseason.

That makes sense Hop.

I was out of the office yesterday after posting that price comparison. I had a little more time this morning, and went back and added the Mississippi State information to my post.

It looks like at LSU, the best tickets in the grandstand cost $2,490 per seat (ticket + donation), while a run of the mill grandstand reserved seat of any kind costs you $595 (ticket + donation).

Arkansas is a bit obscure. It looks like the cost of the season ticket is only $250, but every ticket requires you to be a donor. I still can't determine if this donation is specific to baseball (I don't think it is--it looks to me like you make one donation to their scholarship fund, and get the right to buy a certain number of tickets across all sports), but even if it is, it's not quite as pricey as it looks. That $10,000 donation required for seats behind home plate will get you the right to buy up to six tickets in that area. So, if you buy six tickets at $250/each, and make a $10,000 donation, that works out to $1917 per ticket. Not cheap, but not off the charts expensive. The seats down the lines get pretty affordable, as you would expect.

I can't fine Ole Miss's base season ticket cost, either, but, from the chart, you can tell that they have a lot more club seats than we do, and that almost all seats require some level of donation. Assuming their base season ticket cost is in line with ours, I can see where they might be getting 3 times the ticket revenue that we are (remember--we set aside about 1000 prime seats for GA, so we are working with less seats from the start, too).

The most interesting thing I noticed about Mississippi State was the cost for a suite: $36,000 for a 12 person suite or $54,000 for an 18 person suite. That's only $3000 per ticket, in both cases. Maybe we could get more, but, that sort of reinforces my opinion that suites for baseball don't generate enough money to make them worthwhile; i.e., the revenue generated per square foot is not good. Unless we were to get some really large donations for suites (a distinct possibility), I think we're better off requiring a donation for all seats, and adding some more club seating if we can do so cost effectively (either through the revenue they will generate, or by getting some big donations from folks who have been shut out of the club and really want in now).

Walt Longmire said:

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I'm assuming those costs for MissSt suites are the annual seat contribution. To get the suite, the suite holder would have made a 6 or 7 figure capital gift. It's how they paid for the stadium (in part). They've already added more suites/condos or are in the process of doing so.

A $3K annual seat contribution is not dissimilar to premium seating at Kyle Field after the capital contribution. We could do something similar in baseball, but agree with you that baseball demand for suites at A&M may not be there. Personally, I'd prefer close to the field level club seating (like the FC seats I have now). I'd rather be close to the field, close to the action, get to yell at blue, listen to Derm, etc.

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Possibly. I noticed that they have an $1,800 per seat ten year license for regular grandstand chairback seats (works out to $180 per year on top of the cost of the ticket), but they don't say anything about the capital contribution for the suites. Probably just an omission.

I'm so excited this matters to Schloss and both he and Bjork seem intent on adding this build to their legacy. Can only hope it makes Aggies proud and that with Schloss's coaching builds enduring memories for all involved!

Agree. I am not a suites fan.

Some rough dimensions using Google Maps to provide an idea of how much room we have to work with around the existing baseball structure.

greg.w.h said:

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I'm so excited this matters to Schloss and both he and Bjork seem intent on adding this build to their legacy. Can only hope it makes Aggies proud and that with Schloss's coaching builds enduring memories for all involved!

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Agree.

Have not been this pumped for Aggie baseball in a while!

85AustinAg said:

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Some rough dimensions using Google Maps to provide an idea of how much room we have to work with around the existing baseball structure.

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So from that you could probably tear Olsen to the ground and move it 40 feet west so you would have more room for outfield stuff and a continuous concourse.

The question is if you could get it done in one off season?

dermdoc said:

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85AustinAg said:

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Some rough dimensions using Google Maps to provide an idea of how much room we have to work with around the existing baseball structure.

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So from that you could probably tear Olsen to the ground and move it 40 feet west so you would have more room for outfield stuff and a continuous concourse.

The question is if you could get it done in one off season?

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I think the best idea for a new park is that you'd build the new park pretty much at the corner of Olsen and George Bush (depends on the underpass they are building at George Bush and Wellborn). Theoretically, the new grandstand could be built, and then you'd tear down the old park to complete the outfield. Parking would all move over to Reed during construction, and after completion, the closest would be in left field (sort of like you see at Fayetteville, where the parking is behind right field). As that image shows, we have little room to maneuver in the outfield.

I don't think it's viable to move to the west. Just too many moving parts with the field and the stadium needing to be moved in phases.

I was thinking in terms of how much room is there in the OF and around the stadium to add seating and/or amenities.

That would actually work I think - moving to the street corner of Bush and Wellborn.

85AustinAg said:

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I don't think it's viable to move to the west. Just too many moving parts with the field and the stadium needing to be moved in phases.

I was thinking in terms of how much room is there in the OF and around the stadium to add seating and/or amenities.

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Not if you completely tear it down and have a new rebuild.

I am in favor for a complete new rebuild because I want it done right. The question is where. And how long would it take?