To boil this down, Snider likely takes a Player Development Coach here if he does not get the Tech job, correct?
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I sure hope we can move on and get back to some normal discussion. Every softball discussion is such a cluster.
I blame travel ball.Wooahhhh said:
Why would parents make up the snapchat thing:
1) Because the coach doesn't play or stick up for princess enough, this info to the parent is coming from princess, because the parents are not privy to the inner workings of the team like princess is. They don't see princess' effort every practice (cue AI)
2) Because the coach doesn't work with princess enough, even though princess doesn't like him and isn't that coachable
3) Because the parent is a grumbler, a cancer in the stands, someone that gets others riled up & agitated.
4) Because the parent is a pathological liar
5) Because the parent is a friend of a parent that the coach doesn't 1) see #1 above & #2) see #2 above #3) see #3 above 4) see #4 above
6) Has parenting declined since you were a kid? Ask a coach, he or she will tell you some nut job stories that will curl your hair.
7) Because princess didn't get the actual percentage of scholarship they were promised and the parents are mad because of it.
Oh yeah, that's always pretty obvious.Wooahhhh said:
the ones about the parents......are head coaches (thank god assistant's don't have those duties)
Lemmys Rickenbacker said:
To boil this down, Snider likely takes a Player Development Coach here if he does not get the Tech job, correct?
TXAggie2011 said:
Softball discussion on this board has been weird for a few years now. Nearly everyone seems to come with a deeply felt agenda.
We've had those who say stuff like the Snapchat thing, we've had a number of folks who post like they're Craig Snider's wife, we've had those who were deeply obsessed with getting not just Jo, but others out, and its not the first time we've had this axe grinding about "parents."
I sure hope we can move on and get back to some normal discussion. Every softball discussion is such a cluster.
He has been reposting on his IG all day posts from current players essentially telling him thank you and good bye. I would guess he has maybe told the team he is leaving for sure?Rev89 said:Lemmys Rickenbacker said:
To boil this down, Snider likely takes a Player Development Coach here if he does not get the Tech job, correct?
Doubt he takes the Player Development job.
SinKiller said:
I talked with Coach Alameda a few years back, 18U showcase in Spring. My daughter's team was warming up around where she was, so I sat and talked with her. She was telling me about her philosophy in recruiting a player, what she looked for, etc. I assume most on this thread are softball dads, so everyone here knows that parents are a nightmare in travel ball, particularly pitchers and catcher parents. I asked her if it got better with parents once they get to her, she said it gets worse. I was pretty surprised by that, probably shouldn't have been. I expect most D1 players have been player 1 all their lives, and now you have a bench of 1's and parents aren't used to Sally getting pine.
SeenNotHeard said:He has been reposting on his IG all day posts from current players essentially telling him thank you and good bye. I would guess he has maybe told the team he is leaving for sure?Rev89 said:Lemmys Rickenbacker said:
To boil this down, Snider likely takes a Player Development Coach here if he does not get the Tech job, correct?
Doubt he takes the Player Development job.
LatinAggie1997 said:
.blame poor travel ball coaches...the better ones don't allow that crap and make it clear. I've seen girls booted from a team because of a parent. A girl booted because of a princess mentality ' "dad, get me a water"....(helll no that don't fly!)
Yes to all of that, but a hammer on the hill is gonna get a call regardless. It's not like we haven't had some obvious helicopter parents in this program...One particular person comes to mind immediately, now the kid wasn't a pitcher, but on the receiving end. The arrogance of some of these people at tournaments is crazy, like you're fortunate to be at the same yard with them.LatinAggie1997 said:SinKiller said:
I talked with Coach Alameda a few years back, 18U showcase in Spring. My daughter's team was warming up around where she was, so I sat and talked with her. She was telling me about her philosophy in recruiting a player, what she looked for, etc. I assume most on this thread are softball dads, so everyone here knows that parents are a nightmare in travel ball, particularly pitchers and catcher parents. I asked her if it got better with parents once they get to her, she said it gets worse. I was pretty surprised by that, probably shouldn't have been. I expect most D1 players have been player 1 all their lives, and now you have a bench of 1's and parents aren't used to Sally getting pine.
Yeah but there a huge caveat to that. A coach recruits a player and their baggage....that's why girls are taught at 10u and 12 u to be big girls, carry their own bags and don't look to mommy when things go badly. College coaches look for helicopter parents and how their kids act around them, and typically do not recruit ones that will likely be problematic. If they do sign them then they better hope it changes or learn to deal with it.
You have no idea...Tailgate88 said:
Wow. Never knew there was so much drama in softball. Does this kind of stuff go on with college baseball too?
One of our coaches told me once after he yanked a pitcher, he went back to the dugout and had a text from the pitchers Mom. She wanted to know why he pulled the daughter, bs of course, but the thing is she wasn't even at the tournament. She was getting updates via ipad at home.rhp said:
It goes on in soccer (men & women) too.
SinKiller said:One of our coaches told me once after he yanked a pitcher, he went back to the dugout and had a text from the pitchers Mom. She wanted to know why he pulled the daughter, bs of course, but the thing is she wasn't even at the tournament. She was getting updates via ipad at home.rhp said:
It goes on in soccer (men & women) too.
Parents get pissed at scorekeepers, "that's a hit, right?"...Thats after 3B bobbles its 3 times...
I have a son and daughter, son is older. I Coached him in baseball until he got into school ball and I remember when my daughter started playing softball I said "sure I'll Coach her teams, it will be a lot better than all the years I coached my son teams, parents won't be as bad."SinKiller said:
I talked with Coach Alameda a few years back, 18U showcase in Spring. My daughter's team was warming up around where she was, so I sat and talked with her. She was telling me about her philosophy in recruiting a player, what she looked for, etc. I assume most on this thread are softball dads, so everyone here knows that parents are a nightmare in travel ball, particularly pitchers and catcher parents. I asked her if it got better with parents once they get to her, she said it gets worse. I was pretty surprised by that, probably shouldn't have been. I expect most D1 players have been player 1 all their lives, and now you have a bench of 1's and parents aren't used to Sally getting pine.
We had girls leave mid-game as well, typically pitchers. We were out of Cypress, Dyess Park. We added a girl from Bellville, you always wonder why they'd drive that far, but you usually find out. The very first tourney with her, shows up 45 minutes after the appointed time, she obviously doesn't start. The mom dragged her out of there before we even got the 3rd out in the 1st. The parents that do that stuff are usually the ones that give zero effort at fundraising, yard work, etc. They're doing everyone a favor by even being on the team.KBAGOLFER said:SinKiller said:One of our coaches told me once after he yanked a pitcher, he went back to the dugout and had a text from the pitchers Mom. She wanted to know why he pulled the daughter, bs of course, but the thing is she wasn't even at the tournament. She was getting updates via ipad at home.rhp said:
It goes on in soccer (men & women) too.
Parents get pissed at scorekeepers, "that's a hit, right?"...Thats after 3B bobbles its 3 times...
I had a pitcher and family leave our program in our 2nd game of a National Qualifier. We were up like 9-0 she gives up 3 runs loads the bases nobody out. I go get her and put in another pitcher and their response was they grabbed her bag and asked her to come on, "It's time to leave we're not wanted here…" lol, said basically good riddance
That team qualified for Nationals and at Nationals played in front of oh I'd say 30 of the top D-1 coaches in America. I'm no longer coaching but still have my connections in the game. It's crazy out there. The "ME" mentality teams don't get as far as the "WE" mentality teams, it's just crazy…
SinKiller said:We had girls leave mid-game as well, typically pitchers. We were out of Cypress, Dyess Park. We added a girl from Bellville, you always wonder why they'd drive that far, but you usually find out. The very first tourney with her, shows up 45 minutes after the appointed time, she obviously doesn't start. The mom dragged her out of there before we even got the 3rd out in the 1st. The parents that do that stuff are usually the ones that give zero effort at fundraising, yard work, etc. They're doing everyone a favor by even being on the team.KBAGOLFER said:SinKiller said:One of our coaches told me once after he yanked a pitcher, he went back to the dugout and had a text from the pitchers Mom. She wanted to know why he pulled the daughter, bs of course, but the thing is she wasn't even at the tournament. She was getting updates via ipad at home.rhp said:
It goes on in soccer (men & women) too.
Parents get pissed at scorekeepers, "that's a hit, right?"...Thats after 3B bobbles its 3 times...
I had a pitcher and family leave our program in our 2nd game of a National Qualifier. We were up like 9-0 she gives up 3 runs loads the bases nobody out. I go get her and put in another pitcher and their response was they grabbed her bag and asked her to come on, "It's time to leave we're not wanted here…" lol, said basically good riddance
That team qualified for Nationals and at Nationals played in front of oh I'd say 30 of the top D-1 coaches in America. I'm no longer coaching but still have my connections in the game. It's crazy out there. The "ME" mentality teams don't get as far as the "WE" mentality teams, it's just crazy…
I like how you mention Nationals, that's when it REALLY gets crazy, drama city the entire week.
We're not a power travel team, but this statement rang pretty true.SinKiller said:
I like how you mention Nationals, that's when it REALLY gets crazy, drama city the entire week.
I don't miss anything at all about select or College ball. For us, it was pure politics and who could kiss ass the best in select ball. I remember select 16 u all the dads gathered around the "head" softball coach yucking it up while the assistant coach was actually running the practice.LatinAggie1997 said:
Damn, I miss it!
Yep. In a showcase in Colorado, my daughter ripped a double...They took her off of second and had her hit again, they then told her they wanted to see her in center...It made her feel cool...She gave it up about a year later...She went on visits to Pace, and a couple of others like that, but just was tired of it. She's class of '20, never picked a bat up in CS even for intramurals. When you've played hundreds upon hundreds of games, it's easy to see why they shut it down.LatinAggie1997 said:
Very unfortunate and far too common. We were lucky. We had a great team and group of parents. Traveling was never an issue due to the comraderie and neither was playing time. We all had the same mentality and bought into the process.
It was great for me because I loved spending time with my kid. As a single dad those memories and the bond will last forever. My kid hitting dingets and throwing runners out at home with coaches watching was really sweet too.