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I added a comment that I wanted to see more student seating if they expanded.

So if you add 300 seats in LF give 300 bleachers back to students/GA. That is what makes Olsen special
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They also show up to every single game compared to the diamond club who show up to about 25% of the games.
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OnlyForNow said:

They also show up to every single game compared to the diamond club who show up to about 25% of the games.


I can't blame them for that because I only make about 35%, but I won't piss anyone in my section off for selling my Tuesday games on Flash Seats for $5.
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Insult to injury is that the seats sit empty the majority of games.

They should AT LEAST try to off load them in some form or fashion.
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Bondag said:

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They also show up to every single game compared to the diamond club who show up to about 25% of the games.


I can't blame them for that because I only make about 35%, but I won't piss anyone in my section off for selling my Tuesday games on Flash Seats for $5.

Why would it piss people off in your section if you sold those Tuesday games to Aggies?
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Tex100 said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

it may be more vicious, but it'll be in much smaller numbers.

And let's be real, half those blue hairs don't even show up for the games, they just own the seats. What do they care if their empty seat is moved down a bit. (I kid I kid)
They would reseat the entire stadium. It would be a domino effect--folks would get pushed down, the pushed upstairs, then pushed out, and that's assuming that the Diamond Club seats were first offered to existing season ticket holders. Open it up to non-season ticket holders, or let folks add tickets, and you might end up with current season ticket holders with no seat at all (which is why I doubt they would do it that way).

I understood reseating at Kyle Field, as building club seats and suites on the west side was key to financing the project, and that was going to lead to a reduction in seats on the West side. If they are basing the financing of the Olsen renovations on an expanded Diamond Club, then they need to refigure. If the added seating won't pay for the project, then it probably doesn't need to be done. If it will, then there's no need to reseat everyone just so that 150 more folks can be part of the Diamond Club.


They did the same thing 6-7 years ago w the current premium area. It affected EVERY season ticket holder in the lower sections because they simply shifted everybody over to account for the displaced seats behind home plate. It was a mess then because of the way it was handled. They just moved season ticket holders without notice or consultation and it really upset a lot of season ticket holders. That's why K-Man gave up his seats and left. A lot of others left as well.

To do this a second time in 6-7 years is BS...especially if they do it without consultation or allowing people to pick their new seats. Many of these season ticket holders have been there for over 25 years like myself and I think season ticket holders should always have the right of first refusal at whatever the new price will be...or at the very least give advanced notice and allow people to pick new seats.
Why do you think they are doing this? Make more money and pay RC more? Because there are a lot of high PP Ags who want club seats and can't get them?



That's not my point. I think a season ticket holder should always have the right to renew their same seats. Now, Texas A&M has the right to raise the price or make it ultra-premium, but I think the existing season ticket holder should be given the right of first refusal to purchase the same seats at the new price. It's just not prudent or right to kick out season ticket holders who've had the same seats for 25-30 years. Season ticket holders don't have the right to keep seats at low prices, but they should have the ability to choose to pay the new price or go to another area...and then allow these displaced season ticket holders to pick their new seats as opposed to the AD simply moving them without notice and tell you where they moved you.
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Just playing devil's advocate for a bit. What if they allow all season ticket holders right of first refusal (which, I agree they should do). Does that mean someone who gets "priced out" of 109 can take my cheaper seats in 207? Or, if everyone except that ticket holder in 109 paid the new rates, would the ticket holder from 109 wind up in the new 3B seats?

I agree we should all get to pony up for our seats at the new price, but not sure how you work with those who feel the new prices are too high and decline to renew. If you balk at the new prices, do you go to the back of the line and start over?
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Hop said:

Tex100 said:

Hop said:

twk said:

Bunk Moreland said:

it may be more vicious, but it'll be in much smaller numbers.

And let's be real, half those blue hairs don't even show up for the games, they just own the seats. What do they care if their empty seat is moved down a bit. (I kid I kid)
They would reseat the entire stadium. It would be a domino effect--folks would get pushed down, the pushed upstairs, then pushed out, and that's assuming that the Diamond Club seats were first offered to existing season ticket holders. Open it up to non-season ticket holders, or let folks add tickets, and you might end up with current season ticket holders with no seat at all (which is why I doubt they would do it that way).

I understood reseating at Kyle Field, as building club seats and suites on the west side was key to financing the project, and that was going to lead to a reduction in seats on the West side. If they are basing the financing of the Olsen renovations on an expanded Diamond Club, then they need to refigure. If the added seating won't pay for the project, then it probably doesn't need to be done. If it will, then there's no need to reseat everyone just so that 150 more folks can be part of the Diamond Club.


They did the same thing 6-7 years ago w the current premium area. It affected EVERY season ticket holder in the lower sections because they simply shifted everybody over to account for the displaced seats behind home plate. It was a mess then because of the way it was handled. They just moved season ticket holders without notice or consultation and it really upset a lot of season ticket holders. That's why K-Man gave up his seats and left. A lot of others left as well.

To do this a second time in 6-7 years is BS...especially if they do it without consultation or allowing people to pick their new seats. Many of these season ticket holders have been there for over 25 years like myself and I think season ticket holders should always have the right of first refusal at whatever the new price will be...or at the very least give advanced notice and allow people to pick new seats.
Why do you think they are doing this? Make more money and pay RC more? Because there are a lot of high PP Ags who want club seats and can't get them?



That's not my point. I think a season ticket holder should always have the right to renew their same seats. Now, Texas A&M has the right to raise the price or make it ultra-premium, but I think the existing season ticket holder should be given the right of first refusal to purchase the same seats at the new price. It's just not prudent or right to kick out season ticket holders who've had the same seats for 25-30 years. Season ticket holders don't have the right to keep seats at low prices, but they should have the ability to choose to pay the new price or go to another area...and then allow these displaced season ticket holders to pick their new seats as opposed to the AD simply moving them without notice and tell you where they moved you.


The problem at Kyle was that the new configuration eliminated thousands of seats on the west side, so it was impossible for everyone to keep their seats.

The same would be true at Olsen, though on a much smaller scale, if they expand the Diamond Club. Let's say they just convert 105 and 109 to club seating. They can't simply offer the current ticket holders in those sections the same seats because there will be fewer seats than before--club seats are a little wider than regular seats. I suppose they could not change the seats and just declare these to be club sections, but I doubt that they would do that, and even if they did, what happens to the guy in 105 who is willing to pay $500, or even more, for a lower reserved but not $2000 for a club seat? At Kyle, the money raised from the displacement justified the pain that was inflicted, but I have a hard time seeing that being the case at Olsen.
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Hop said:

Tex100 said:



Why do you think they are doing this? Make more money and pay RC more? Because there are a lot of high PP Ags who want club seats and can't get them?



That's not my point. I think a season ticket holder should always have the right to renew their same seats. Now, Texas A&M has the right to raise the price or make it ultra-premium, but I think the existing season ticket holder should be given the right of first refusal to purchase the same seats at the new price. It's just not prudent or right to kick out season ticket holders who've had the same seats for 25-30 years. Season ticket holders don't have the right to keep seats at low prices, but they should have the ability to choose to pay the new price or go to another area...and then allow these displaced season ticket holders to pick their new seats as opposed to the AD simply moving them without notice and tell you where they moved you.
No argument about that. In reality, they will be displaced because either there will be less seats due to larger chairs and /or foot room or many of the existing season ticket holders will not be able to pay 2K per seat.

Since Olsen is currently selling out of season tickets I think their desire must be to appease high PP 12th Man members who want club seats. As the athletic department has shown, they will not hesitate to take the seats of those who supported them during earlier years.
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Well said, I'm a former Aggie baseball player, had season tickets, for 20 years, in section 105, missed a total of 9 home games in those 20 years, only missed 2 football, and 4 basketball..

Was an Endowed football donor, and season basketball ticket holder, but couldn't handle all the 12th Man, and athletic dept BS anymore........all the efforts to appease, at any cost, the big-money guys.

Left College Station 2 months ago, as Roberto Duran so eloquently said, "No mas."

Sad.

RR

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MMantle said:

Well said, I'm a former Aggie baseball player, had season tickets, for 20 years, in section 105, missed a total of 9 home games in those 20 years, only missed 2 football, and 4 basketball..

Was an Endowed football donor, and season basketball ticket holder, but couldn't handle all the 12th Man, and athletic dept BS anymore........all the efforts to appease, at any cost, the big-money guys.

Left College Station 2 months ago, as Roberto Duran so eloquently said, "No mas."

Sad.

RR





And this is the perfect example why taking seats away from longtime loyal season ticket holders for prime suite seating is bad business in the long run. You risk running off what would otherwise be inelastic demand.

Somebody who has had season tickets for 20 years will buy the same season tickets for the next 20 years through the good times and bad times. As we're seeing in football, the Johnny come latelys will buy up tickets when the team is winning, but they are also the first to leave when there's a subpar season.

Also, you can build premium suites and seating with premium services in the new section that will be built where the third base berm is located. The view is fine over there and people who buy those seats put a priority on amenities anyway.

So there is a clear option to provide another revenue stream for A&M w premium style seating in an area where they aren't kicking out long-time season ticket holders. That's a win-win. If they do what they did last time, there will be more season ticket holders that will be fed up like K-Man and will never come back.

Hopefully, new management will see that they can still get the extra money from new premium seating in berm area as opposed to uprooting season ticket holders once again.
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And this is the perfect example why taking seats away from longtime loyal season ticket holders for prime suite seating is bad business in the long run. You risk running off what would otherwise be inelastic demand.
I think a lot of teams around the world would disagree here. Or at least say it's not a certainty.

You can afford to run some people off when you're selling suites to big spenders. There is not a ubiquitous focus on developing suites and premium seating for no reason.
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If new club seats displace entire sections they will have no choice but to reseat the entire stadium. Hold on to your butts.
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It's not about money--at least not about the insignificant difference that less than 200 new club seats would add over regular seats. The only way it is about money is if there are some folks willing to write checks for the other renovations, but who want club seats (and not just any club seats, but Diamond Club seats) as the price for their donation. A lot of folks missed the train prior to the last renovation, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are looking for creative ways to overcome that mistake.
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aggiepaintrain said:

If new suites displace entire sections they will have no choice but to reseat the entire stadium. Hold on to your butts.

They aren't proposing new suites, although I suppose that could change. They basically left space for some additional suites up at the top of the grandstand.
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Suites/Diamond Club - I think Hop just means seating with all the fancy bells and whistles. Off topic, I was sitting in the end zone last weekend and you could see the lower east suites had TV's, which is absurd imo. The game is right in front of you..
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And this is the perfect example why taking seats away from longtime loyal season ticket holders for prime suite seating is bad business in the long run. You risk running off what would otherwise be inelastic demand.
I think a lot of teams around the world would disagree here. Or at least say it's not a certainty.

You can afford to run some people off when you're selling suites to big spenders. There is not a ubiquitous focus on developing suites and premium seating for no reason.


Like I just posted, you can develop a new premium area without "running off" people... those people being 25 year season ticket holders that is the core of the baseball program's support.
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The issue with this on the face of it, and I am not in favor of moving long time season ticket holders in a forced manner, is that most folks think of premium seats in baseball, as being in a premium location in the stadium, and that is not at the end of the base paths. I'm not sure you could sell the idea of premium seats at the end of the base path, no matter how luxurious you made them, but maybe I am wrong.
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Aggieangler93 said:

The issue with this on the face of it, and I am not in favor of moving long time season ticket holders in a forced manner, is that most folks think of premium seats in baseball, as being in a premium location in the stadium, and that is not at the end of the base paths. I'm not sure you could sell the idea of premium seats at the end of the base path, no matter how luxurious you made them, but maybe I am wrong.
JerryWorld has ground level suites where you can't see a thing. If you go to most NBA arenas, there are suites at the very top. Plus, we're talking about a 4,000 baseball venue where anything built is close to the action. The TMF has been holding big donor social events for baseball games at the balcony of the Student Rec Center.

Based on what I've seen at many sporting venues, most people who want suites want high-end amenities, a good parking spot, alcohol, and people waiting on them.
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Aggie baseball and College Station aren't the Cowboys, major concerts, and Dallas/Fort Worth---and those ground level suites come with premium club level seats at football games.

Nor are we an NBA team and an NBA city.

College baseball games differ in clientele, status, interest, etc. and you can't make a blanket comparison about premium/club seats and suites to major professional sports in major cities.

Anyways, I do not believe that most suites at Cowboys Stadium and NBA/NHL venues are at the very top, nor in the corners or ends; they're usually smack dab in the middle of everything---respectfully, what arenas are you referring to?

Club and other premium seats are certainly usually located in fairly good stadium locations.

There is a crowd everywhere that pays for a middle ground product of nice amenities in a less than ideal location***, but there are many that expect both.

***But perhaps less so at a college baseball game in a college town.
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NRG has suites in both end zones and from goal line to goal line. Minute Maid Park has suites from left field all the way around to right field. Toyota Center has suites from baseline to baseline.

Many people want the suite amenities and sacrifice the perfect vantage point for these things.

I like a combo of the third base suite. Make a ground level suite with a few rows of premium seats and then finish off the section with reserved seating.

If you make the third base club nice enough, plenty of folks who want that experience will go there vs. removing sections 105 & 109.
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NRG has suites in both end zones and from goal line to goal line. Minute Maid Park has suites from left field all the way around to right field. Toyota Center has suites from baseline to baseline.


The key word is "most."

NRG has multiple layers of suites between the goal lines, not so in the end zones . Minute Maid has multiple layers of clubs and suites behind home plate, not so much elsewhere. Toyota Center has multiple layers of along the sidelines; not so along the baselines.

And again, I think it's a less than perfect comparison in the first place: people attending college baseball games are relatively more interested in the on field product than are the folks who pro teams are marketing their stadiums to. I don't think that should be a controversial statement.
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12th Man Ag said:

NRG has suites in both end zones and from goal line to goal line. Minute Maid Park has suites from left field all the way around to right field. Toyota Center has suites from baseline to baseline.

Many people want the suite amenities and sacrifice the perfect vantage point for these things.

I like a combo of the third base suite. Make a ground level suite with a few rows of premium seats and then finish off the section with reserved seating.

If you make the third base club nice enough, plenty of folks who want that experience will go there vs. removing sections 105 & 109.


In a bigger market, that might be true, but I suspect that there are some big money folks who want to be in the Diamond Club with their buddies as much as they want the view.
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They need to expand the GA Section back to before if we expand
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Doubt that happens. If there's more money to be made, they won't go back to the old formation.
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I agree. More GA seating capacity is not their goal. They are looking for big money seats they can add, and I would guess, more reserved, since season tickets are consistently selling out now.

I know we need more capacity. It just sucks for long time season ticket holders, that may not be big donors otherwise.
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No doubt about that. My biggest issue has always been losing the atmosphere of Olsen. That being said, from what I've been told by a few folks "in the know," 202 and 203 are not being touched for the time being.
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If I won the lottery, I'd give them the money to extend the upper deck down the first base line, on the condition that those seats always remain GA seating open to students. I think they will leave 202 and 203--they certainly gave us opportunities in the survey to say how important it was to preserve Olsen traditions and a student section.
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I just took it. Some very interesting things in there I like some of them others not so much. I really hope they don't mess with my seats in 113 that new third base area but it looks like that's gonna be where the Burmans now so I don't think it will. As long as I can get a comparable deal I'm OK. But some of the ideas are very very cool. I did slam Levy a bit maybe someday we'll get out of that deal.
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12th Man Ag said:

Bondag said:

OnlyForNow said:

They also show up to every single game compared to the diamond club who show up to about 25% of the games.


I can't blame them for that because I only make about 35%, but I won't piss anyone in my section off for selling my Tuesday games on Flash Seats for $5.

Why would it piss people off in your section if you sold those Tuesday games to Aggies?


I agree. When I can't make some of the Tuesday games I love to sell them cheap or give them away to Aggies especially students or younger Ags. I see that as a good thing
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annie88 said:

12th Man Ag said:

Bondag said:

OnlyForNow said:

They also show up to every single game compared to the diamond club who show up to about 25% of the games.


I can't blame them for that because I only make about 35%, but I won't piss anyone in my section off for selling my Tuesday games on Flash Seats for $5.

Why would it piss people off in your section if you sold those Tuesday games to Aggies?


I agree. When I can't make some of the Tuesday games I love to sell them cheap or give them away to Aggies especially students or younger Ags. I see that as a good thing
My seats are behind the first base dugout. When I've put them on Flash, I've had a couple of occasions where visiting parents bought the seats, and were rather obnoxious according to my neighbors. Consequently, I stopped doing that, but I've found other means to sell those tickets.
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Here's the right field berm picture.

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Too many gimics we are going to lose the feel of a real baseball stadium.
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ensign_beedrill said:

Here's the right field berm picture.


What happened to the bullpen?
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Farmer1906 said:

ensign_beedrill said:

Here's the right field berm picture.


What happened to the bullpen?
Think that's it, just to the left of the 370 marker.
 
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