*****ColleyvilleAg06 Bubble Watch*****

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Updated After Saturday Night Games

Thoughts on Saturday I normally stay away from actual game analysis but that felt like the first game that we simply just didn't play as smart as the other team. A small lead at the 8 minute timeout, in the bonus, the other bigs in foul trouble, the lane has been wide open all day and our guards haven't hit 3's…and we keep jacking up bad shot selection early in the shot clock. We shot 16% from 3 and Tennessee was making 48%....yet we decided to take 3 more shots from downtown. Gotta go with what is working…Wade Taylor 0/9 from 3. There needs to be some hard conversations this week and dialing back that ultimate green light talk.

In terms of the impact on seeding, I do not see any scenario where a 1 seed is realistic and a 2 seed is slipping away quickly. Home against Vanderbilt feels like a must win to stop this slide before the next 2 @ Florida and vs Auburn. Win that and stabilize as a strong 3 seed with still upside for a 2.

Rough look at what seed we would likely end up with based on the final 5 games, subject to the rest of the national landscape so +/- 1 seed line

4-0 = 2 seed
3-1 = 3 seed
2-2 = 4 seed
1-3 = 5 seed
0-4 = 7 seed

1 Seeds

1) Auburn (Lock) Auburn has locked up a 1 seed and is closing in on locking up the overall #1
2) Alabama (Lock) clear #2 and closing in on locking up a 1 seed
3) Duke (Lock) outstanding predictive numbers, but lag in the resume with a poor ACC.
4) Florida (Lock) Playing like a 1 seed right now and racking up impressive wins to make up for a lack of big wins in non conference.

2 Seeds
5) Tennessee (Lock) Stays in the hunt for a 1 seed. Will clearly stay ahead of A&M Better resume than A&M and clearly better predictive #s. If we want any chance to pass the Vols we need to beat them on Saturday.

6) Houston (Lock) Coogs keep pace with Florida and Tennessee to stay in the hunt for the last 1 seed. If they can win out @Tech and over Kansas they probably take it. Metrics already support it, resume is catching up fast.

7) Michigan State (Lock) Huge last week for MSU winning at Illinois and at Michigan. It doesn't hurt that A&M, Iowa State and Wisconsin all lost on Saturday.

8) Iowa State (Lock) Move up from 9 to 8 since they kept it close on the road and Wisconsin and A&M immediately ahead of them both lost.

3 Seeds


9) Texas A&M (Lock) Resume numbers will stay strong (4Q1A wins and 6Q1 and 8 Q2 wins will do that). But the predictive numbers are problematic and some teams around us (Michigan State) are racking up big wins and passing us up. Vanderbilt at home feels like a must win to stop a potential free fall.

10) Wisconsin (Lock) Took the home loss to Oregon to stop a 5 game winning streak. Badgers are still positioned well but that locks them off the 1 seed line.

11) Purdue (Lock) Purdue resume is fading fast, just lost their 3rd straight (all quad 1).
Still good predictive numbers but the door has slammed shut on a 1 seed and may be closing on a 2 seed.

12) Michigan (Lock) Several really high quality wins and they are in the same tier as the Big 10 elite (Wisconsin. Purdue, Michigan State) but their metrics are really dragging them down (in the 20s).




4 Seeds

13) St. John's (Lock) 16th in the initial reveal then they beat Creighton. Only 1 more quad 1 game left on the schedule so limited opportunity to move up much more.

14) Kentucky (Lock) 7 quad 1A wins ties Auburn for the most in the country. That number alone hides a lot of warts with this resume which otherwise would be a few spots lower.

15) Texas Tech (Lock) Didn't do much in the non-conference but they have done great work in the Big 12 knocking off Arizona and winning at Houston. Much better predictive numbers (avg 7.7) than resume (avg 19.3)

16) Maryland (Lock) Trending way up, opportunities vs. Michigan and Michigan State to move up to as high as a 3.


5 Seeds


17) Missouri (Lock) beating Alabama greatly improves this profile which has found its way into the top 4 seed line discussion.

18) Arizona (Lock) controversial loss to BYU drops them to a 5 for now

19) Kansas (Lock) Kansas righted the ship vs. Oklahoma State. Must be nice to play in a conference where you get a Q3 game mixed in every now and then.

20) Clemson lack of high end wins and a Q3 loss cap this profile as a 5 seed even if they win out. 4 games left and all 4 would be a bad loss. Holding off on locking them in



6 Seeds
21) Oregon (Lock) huge win at Wisconsin on Saturday. Predictive metrics still stink but they have racked up some great wins this year.

22) Louisville similar spot as Clemson, the ACC schedule is just not going to give the Cards much room to move up. Will be a lock with 1 more win but all 4 remaining games would qualify as bad losses.

23) St. Mary's (Lock) complete the sweep of Gonzaga to move up to a 6 seed. A 5 is still the ceiling based on the SOS.

24) Mississippi State (Lock) -loss to Oklahoma halts the momentum up the seed line.



7 Seeds

25) Marquette (Lock) No one is fading faster than Marquette (ok maybe Kansas).
26) Ole Miss (Lock) Back to back losses this week but what's worse is almost everyone else in this seed range had a great week. Rebs slide all the way to a 7 seed for now.
27) Memphis 3 quad 3 losses and their predictive metrics are….not good.
28) UCLA (Lock) Very damaging home loss to Minnesota slips UCLA back at least a seed line


8 Seeds
29) Creighton
30) Utah State
31) Gonzaga
32) Illinois (Lock) got absolutely rocked on their home court and were never competitive. Sure they were playing Duke, but this is now 3 straight losses and resume numbers in the 30s are starting to be a bit worrisome. I am still confident they are a lock but if they lose out they may sweat a bit on selection Sunday.



9 Seeds


33) BYU massive week first blowing out Kansas, and now getting the controversial win at Arizona. BYU went from well off the bubble, to winning 3 straight and are fairly comfortably in at this point.
34) UConn
35) New Mexico
36) Baylor


10 Seeds

37) Vanderbilt Got their 3rd elite conference win on Saturday beating Ole Miss. Goes nice with wins against Tennessee and Kentucky, but they did nothing out of conference and the losses are piling up. Predictives are worrisome (54 in BPI would be very dangerous to take into selection Sunday).
38) Nebraska
39) San Diego State
40) West Virginia



11 Seeds



41) Ohio State Took one of the worst losses for any bubble contender of the season by getting absolutely blown out on their home court against Northwestern on Wednesday. Ohio State went from comfortably in a week ago to being in some real danger headed to the home stretch.

42) Drake (Missouri Valley Placeholder The loss to Bradley may mean they need to win out in the regular season to stay in an at large position


Last 4 In

43) VCU No quad 1 wins. They do still play Dayton one more time, if they can win out they will basically be a lock. Lose one and they might not want to rely on an at large bid. The predictive numbers (mid 30s) are already good enough to get in if they can boost the SOR (53) and WAB (56).

44) Arkansas 4 quad 1A wins against Michigan, Kentucky, Texas and Mizzou, the first 3 being away from home, for now have the pigs in. Need to steal at least 2 more wins somewhere, maybe 3.

45) Oklahoma Sooners were 13-0 in the non conference but had been in complete free fall mode before getting the massive win over Mississippi State. That gets them to 4-10 in the SEC, hardly a mark that screams NCAAT. Given their non conference and the strength of the SEC, believe it or not 6-12 is probably enough to sneak in. Getting 2 more wins though is easier said than done given the schedule, they will probably be underdogs in all 4.

46) Texas Followed up the Kentucky win by getting blown out at South Carolina to hand the Gamecocks their first conference win. With how weak the bubble is, I still think they would be in If things ended right now, but this loss stings and they have to win at least 2 of the last 4, maybe 3 to stay in. Given their lack of results in non-conference, the magic number for Texas to get a bid may be 8 SEC wins (5 so far).



Projecting 22 one bid leagues regardless of conference tournaments, for spots 47-68 (will be adjusted for stolen bids and some at large bids above this line will go away)

One bid leagues
47) Atlantic 10 -note, several bubble teams that are out now could work their way in to make this a 2-bid league
48) Atlantic Sun
49) America East
50) Big Sky
51) Big South
52) Big West Note, 2 bubble teams that are OUT right now but could possibly win out and get at large consideration
53) Conference USA
54) Coastal
55) Horizon
56) Ivy
57) MAAC
58) MAC
59) MEAC
60) NEC
61) OVC
62) Patriot League
63) SWAC
64) Southern
65) Southland
66) Summit
67) Sun Belt
68) WAC


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69) Georgia similar boat as Arkansas. The wins over Kentucky and St. John's are nice but the losses are piling up and at 4-10 in the SEC you have to squint a bit to see where they can pick up at least 2 more wins needed to have a case (probably need 3 more).

70) Wake Forest Wake takes yet another bad loss. In a normal year it would feel like they would need to win out including @Duke but the bubble is so weak who knows? The predictives are horrendous (70 in KenPom, 71 in Torvik).

71) SMU It is very rare a "power" conference team will have NCAAT worth numbers (top 45 across the board in resume and predictive, yet has not yet scored a single quad 1 win. But then again is the ACC still a power conference?

72) UC San Diego Only played 4 games all year above quad 3, splitting with UC Irvine, winning at Utah State and losing at San Diego State. They also picked up 2 quad 3 losses along the way. They do have 1 quad 2 game left at CSUN. They absolutely must win out to have any chance at an at large but if they do, their resume numbers which are currently in the mid-50s, may get good enough to give them a chance.

73) North Carolina 1 pretty good win (neutral court vs. UCLA) but ultimately just too many losses including one on their home court to Stanford (Quad 3). Only 1 Quad 1 game left, to end the season at home vs. Duke. The rest of the schedule is 3 quad 3s, a quad 4 and a quad 2. Vs. that weak schedule they probably need to win out to have a realistic chance.

74) Indiana The Hoosiers got their biggest win of the year at Michigan State this week. No losses outside of Quad 1 but there are still some real stinkers in there (losing by 25 to Iowa, 28 to Louisville, 17 to Nebraska, 9 to Northwestern). The profile has some good to it (38th in KPI, and some bac 60th in Torvik). Hard to see this one NOT being one of the last 4 in/first 4 out.

75) Xavier Won at Marquette which is by far the crown jewel of the profile. Without that there isn't much here but the predictive numbers in the high 40s are good enough to suggest an at large is possible with a good close to the season. Pretty manageable stretch run so they may need to win out including beating Creighton and going on to road at Butler.

76) Cincinnati Losing to West Virginia means they may need to win out (including beating Houston to get in.

77) Utah if they win out that would mean picking up several quad 1 wins, because of that, at large is still a remote possibility. Stayed alive with a win vs. Kansas on Saturday, and then beating Kansas State on Monday.

78) Boise State Pretty good predictive metrics (37th in Torvik) but in the 60s in the resume department thanks to a quad 4 loss to Boston College. They did beat St. Mary's on a neutral court and beat Clemson in the non-conference, but they haven't been able to score any key wins in conference yet. After losing to San Diego State, they only have 1 more Q1 chance left on the schedule, so it feels like even winning out probably won't be enough.

79) San Francisco The 3rd team out of the WCC. Lost to Gonzaga on Thursday night. They did get a split against St. Mary's. Now must win out including beating Gonzaga in the finale to get back into the conversation but my guess is that probably will not be enough.

80) George Mason GM is cooked. I flirted with eliminating them outright following their loss to VCU, given they are clearly outside the field right now and will have no more opportunities to move up playing Q3 and Q4. If they win out and only lose an A-10 championship game to VCU I suppose they will at least be in the conversation depending on how the rest of the bubble does but I don't see a viable path here.

81) TCU On the brink of elimination, need to win out to have a chance.

82) Kansas State K State was left for dead in late January with a 7-11 record with only 1 of those wins better than quad 3. They got off the mat winning 6 straight but ran into a brick wall on Saturday getting blown out by BYU. In the mid 50s across both resume and predictive numbers (2 quad 3 losses will do that) so they still have a way to go. Need to go 5-1 down the stretch to have a chance.

83) Pitt Probably eliminated from at large contention, if they win out they may make the first 4 out conversation.

84) USC 3 quad 1 wins at Illinois, at Nebraska and against Michigan State are more than most of their peers in this portion of the watch can boast. That said all their metrics are lagging for both resume and predictive thanks to a quad 3 loss to Cal on their home court and a few squeakers vs. quad 4 (Idaho State & UT Arlington). 5 quad 1 games in their last 6 so plenty of opportunities to correct that.

85) UCF Just dropped their 7th in a row, this one to Colorado who previously was 0-13 in the Big 12. It is tempting to just eliminate them after that loss but, they did beat Texas A&M and Texas Tech and if they win out it might just be enough to get back into it. Predictives lagging into the high 60s.

86) Dayton 2 big wins in the non-conference vs. UConn and Marquette. The Quad 3 loss to UMass hurts and blown out too many times vs. quad 2 opponents (by 20 to GE, by 22 to St. Bonaventure). They really need to win out including winning at VCU to have a realistic chance (metrics in the 70s).

87) UC Irvine Took a really damaging loss to Cal State Northridge on Thursday night. That's now 3 Q3 losses, and only 1 Q1 win (at UC San Diego). Metrics near 100 for the quality/predictive metrics, almost impossible to imagine them getting in without the auto bid but I will hold off on eliminating them quite yet.

88) Santa Clara They did win at Gonzaga so worth keeping an eye on them. Wide range in their metrics. The Resume ranks are not clustered and range from 57 to 90. The predictives range from 51 to 71. They do have 3 quad 3 losses and so they need to win out including beating Gonzaga again to have a shot.


89) Iowa got their 1st quad 1-win oof the year by beating Rutgers. Only 1 bad loss to Minnesota. Need to win out to get in with a tough stretch to end the year.

90) Oregon State They did beat Gonzaga but haven't done much beyond that. Need to win out and then hope the bubble continues to collapse.

91) Colorado State winning out is probably not enough

92) LSU Believe it or not winning out would get LSU to 7-11 in the SEC and that would be good enough to get in. That said they are a heavy underdog in each of the last 4 so it would take a couple miracles to get there.

93) Minnesota The loss to Penn State probably ends the Gophers hopes of an at large, but given they can still get to .500 in the Big 10 I will keep them technically alive until they drop 1 more.


Eliminated in the last week:
Northwestern (Sunday)
Rutgers (Sunday)
Arizona State (Tuesday)
Villanova (Tuesday)
Washington (Wednesday)
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This is your primer for some of the frequently used abbreviations and what is important to the committee. The first thing to know is there are 6 key metrics for the committee, 3 are based on your resume and 3 are "predictives"
Resume Numbers these are based entirely on who you play, where and who you beat, with slightly different formulas and weightings given.
The 3 Resume numbers are:

KPI Key Performance Index
SOR Strength of Record
WAB Wins above Bubble (how many more wins you have vs. a team right at the bubble cut line would be expected to have against your schedule)

Predictive Numbers as the name suggests they can be used to predict future performance, but more importantly they are data driven metrics based on much more than W/L in each game and they analyze things like offensive efficiency, defensive efficiency, FG%, scoring margin, and even game control. So if we run that 20-0 run play in the 1st half and then cruise from there it is a lot more impressive than losing all game and then going on a big run late to win it. So sure you can (and institutions like Vegas do) use them to predict future performance, but more importantly they are a deeper evaluation of how good teams are based on data.

The 3 predictive numbers are:
BPI Basketball Power Index
KenPom Rating System
Torvik Rating System

A&M all year has not dominated teams, has gone on 2nd half runs, and won close games, that tends to play very well with the resume numbers and much less so on predictive. Think of it this way a close win at home against Arkansas will result in a positive move up the resume numbers (the win is all that matters) and probably a slide down on the predictives. A close loss to Auburn or at Florida would be the oppositive, the predictives would go up, the resume ranks would go down based on taking on a loss.
These 6 numbers are not the ONLY thing the selection committee looks at. They also look at record against the various quadrants, non conference strength of schedule, head to head outcomes, road & neutral wins, etc.
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.At this point in the season, most teams numbers are pretty well baked, we have had 24 data points and unless the 7 remainng are drastically different, you shouldn't see a whole lot of movement up or down. So if we see, for example a 4-3 finish to the season, I would expect these numbers to look almost identical on Selection Sunday. If we finish 5-2 or 3-4 that will look a bit different…but not much. At 6-1 or better or 2-5 or worse and you may see a much more different numerical strength of the resume.
Here is a look at the trend line for A&Ms metrics for the ones I have handy

January 3rd (prior to conference play)
KenPom 16
Torvik 19

January 5th (after Texas blowout win)
KenPom: 11
Torvik: 17

January 21st after a 3-2 start to SEC play
BPI: 19
KenPom: 18
Torvik: 20

January 24th after Ole Miss win
BPI 18
KenPom 15
Torvik 19

January 30th after beating Oklahoma the 2nd time
KPI 9
SOR 12
WAB 7
BPI 17
KenPom 16
Torvik 19

February 2nd after winning at South Carolina
KPI 5
SOR 6
WAB 4
BPI 17
KenPom 14
Torvik 18

February 7th before Mizzou win
KPI 6
SOR 7
WAB 5
BPI 16
KenPom 14
Torvik 17

February 10th after Mizzou win
KPI 6
SOR 7
WAB 5
BPI 16R
KenPom 14
Torvik 17

2/13 after Uga win
KPI 6
SOR 6
WAB 5
BPI 14
KenPom 13
Torvik 16


2/16 after arkansas win
KPI 5
SOR 7
WAB 5
BPI 13
KenPom 13
Torvik 18
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Awesome! Been waiting for this!
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Thanks for putting this together. You always do a great job!

I posted the same in the other games thread, but the cut line for the SEC teams involved will be fascinating to watch and I'm sure glad we aren't involved!
Texas and Vandy might come to regret their non-con scheduling at 7-11, while I'm not sure OU and Georgia can win enough games. Arkansas may have the best chance just based on remaining schedule and I don't love their chances.
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Thanks for all your work on this!

It's interesting to think what would the SEC prefer. All of the top five teams trade wins with each other and take care of the bubble teams and have five 1 and 2 seeds and less teams in. Or those bottom four all sneak some wins in and get 14 teams in, regardless it's the strongest conference ever it seems.
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I'm curious how the seeding will actually look and if the SEC will take a collective reduction in seed # to prevent so many possible #1 vs #2 seed matchups being from the same conference.

Hasn't the committee historically done everything in their power to prevent a #1 and #2 seed in the same bracket being from the same conference? That's impossible with potentially 5 SEC teams in the top 8. The pessimist in me says one of the five arbitrarily gets dropped to a 3 for no reason other than optics...
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Marsh said:

I'm curious how the seeding will actually look and if the SEC will take a collective reduction in seed # to prevent so many possible #1 vs #2 seed matchups being from the same conference.

Hasn't the committee historically done everything in their power to prevent a #1 and #2 seed in the same bracket being from the same conference? That's impossible with potentially 5 SEC teams in the top 8. The pessimist in me says one of the five arbitrarily gets dropped to a 3 for no reason other than optics...
We are in rare territory as far as the number of high seeds from one conference. However, 2/3 is along the same bracket line. A 2/3 seeds plays a 1 seed in the Elite Eight regardless, so no, it won't matter in this case. We would likely get lined up with one of the SEC teams, but if there was only one SEC 2 seed, perhaps we'd be put in Duke's bracket.
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Thanks for the rundown, particularly on the various metrics.
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Jonah2012 said:

Thanks for all your work on this!

It's interesting to think what would the SEC prefer. All of the top five teams trade wins with each other and take care of the bubble teams and have five 1 and 2 seeds and less teams in. Or those bottom four all sneak some wins in and get 14 teams in, regardless it's the strongest conference ever it seems.


More teams = more money. I am sure they would love it if Kentucky lost in Austin this weekend.
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The NCAA bracketing rules state that a conferences top 4 teams cannot be in the same region if they are in the top 4 seed lines. There is no rule preventing a 1 and a 2 both being in the south region if that 2 seed is the 5th best team from the SEC.
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Great work as always. Seed Watch and the games of the week may be delayed until tomorrow because I'm dealing with a sick kid situation at home.
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I was afraid I was going to be too duplicative with yours - looks like I picked a good week to debut the bubble watch
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Colleyville and bobinator, among others, help make this board the best on TexAgs imo. Really appreciate ya'll's work.
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nah, I was going to start changing it as things narrow down anyway, taking a closer look at team's remaining schedules and which games are the ones to watch that might actually move the needle for us
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Love geeking out to this stuff. So looking forward to the next couple weeks
"I didn't come here to lose!" Charley Moran
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OP edited with some additional detail on those just missing the cut, I will continue to build this out a bit more as i have time.
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ColleyvilleAg06 said:


Thoughts on Tuesdays win I still can't believe we were down 9 at half and by the 8 minute timeout I felt completely comfortable and no stress about cruising to a win. The win didn't do much from a metrics standpoint but good to avoid a loss, watch a few more teams around us take an L and keep chugging towards some huge quad 1A opportunities down the stretch to clinch a 2 seed or potentially even challenge for a 1.

If you are looking for a quick primer on A&M's seeding, my prognostication is roughly a finish in the last 7 games would be equal to the following seeds (subject to the rest of the national landscape so +/- 1 seed line

7-0 or 6-1 = 1 seed
5-2 = 2 seed
4-3 = 3 seed
3-4 = 4 seed
2-5 = 5 seed
1-6 = 7 seed
0-7 = 9 seed

Given we are comfortably in the field, I will keep this BW a bit more brief than prior years and focus the analysis on those near A&M's seed and around the last 4 in/out and the rest just list a ranking, but happy to talk more about each individual team in the more detailed posts.

This is just to get the conversation started. I will add some more detail on those near the cut line tomorrow.

1 Seeds

1) Auburn (Lock) clear #1 with an insane 13 quad 1 wins (no one else has more than 8)
2) Alabama (Lock) 6-1 in quad 1A games and a pretty clear #2
3) Duke (Lock) outstanding predictive numbers
4) Florida (Lock) Lacked the non conf SOS and high-end elite wins that the rest of the SEC had, until the last week winning at Auburn and at Mississippi State to for now claim the 4th
5) one seed.fbfb

2 Seeds
6) Tennessee (Lock) Even after losing on Tuesday night Tennessee has both a better resume than A&M and clearly better predictive #s. But the gap has closed considerably
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7) Texas A&M (Lock) Outstanding resume numbers (better than even Duke) but lagging predictive numbers (for a 2 seed). Ultimately it feels like A&M will get rewarded for going out of conference and racking up several high end wins on a neutral court (Purdue, Texas Tech, Creighton).
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8) Houston (Lock) Predictive metrics darling (#2, #1, #3), it will be interesting to see where the committee has them during the sneak peak reveal on Saturday morning. There are 38 teams that have at least 2 quad 1A wins this season. Houston is not one of those teams. Their lone Q1A is at Kansas which is great but beyond that…they have built their resume on pounding bad teams

9) Purdue (Lock) Very similar overall profile as A&M, A&M has a bit better on the resume numbers, Purdue has better predictives. I am glad A&M owns the head to head on a neutral (Indy) court.

3 Seeds
10) Iowa State (Lock) 7-4 vs quad 1, 9th in SOR, solid overall resume but still behind the top 8, the last team that feels currently in the same league as A&M if this was selection Sunday
11) Arizona (Lock) great predictives, subpar resume #s, didn't do much in non conference but has been elite in the Big 12
12) Michigan (Lock) - rocketing up the seed list particularly after knocking off Purdue, predictive numbers wont give them consideration for anything more than a 3 seed right now
13) Kentucky (Lock) 7 quad 1A wins ties Auburn for the most in the country. That number alone hides a lot of warts with this resume which otherwise would be a few spots lower.

4 Seeds
14) Wisconsin (Lock)
15) Texas Tech (Lock)
16) Kansas (Lock)
17) St. John's The loss to Villanova on Wednesday knocks them down a full seed line and they only have 1 quad 1 game left on the schedule


5 Seeds
18) Marquette
19) Ole Miss
20) Illinois
21) Michigan State

6 Seeds
22) UCLA
23) Missouri
24) Memphis
25) Clemson

7 Seeds
26) Louisville
27) UConn
28) Maryland
29) Creighton

8 Seeds
30) St. Mary's
31) Mississippi State
32) Baylor
33) Oregon

9 Seeds

34) Gonzaga
35) Utah State
36) New Mexico
37) Nebraska

10 Seeds
38) Ohio State
39) West Virginia
40) San Diego State
41) Drake (Missouri Valley Placeholder if they lose and drop out it does NOT open up a slot for someone else as MVC will still have a bid)


11 Seeds
42) Vanderbilt
43) Oklahoma

Last 4 in
44) SMU It is very rare a "power" conference team will have NCAAT worth numbers (top 45 across the board in resume and predictive, yet has not yet scored a single quad 1 win. But then again is the ACC really still a power conference?

45) Arkansas 3 quad 1A wins against Michigan, Kentucky and Texas all away from home, for now have the pigs in. Just 4-7 in the SEC, and if the magic number is 7 wins it is hard to find 3 more wins on this schedule without stealing one somewhere.

46) BYU pretty good predictive numbers for a bubble team, 3 quad 1 wins look nice but not all quad 1 are created equal UCF, West Virginia and Baylor don't exactly move the needle.

47) Georgia similar boat as Arkansas. The wins over Kentucky and St. John's are nice but the losses are piling up and at 4-8 in the SEC you have to squint a bit to see where they can pick up at least 2 more wins needed to have a case.


Projecting 22 one bid leagues regardless of conference tournaments, for spots 47-68 (will be adjusted for stolen bids and some at large bids above this line will go away)

One bid leagues
48) Atlantic 10 -note, several bubble teams that are out now could work their way in to make this a 2 bid league
49) Atlantic Sun
50) America East
51) Big Sky
52) Big South
53) Big West Note, 2 bubble teams that are OUT right now but could possibly win out and get at large consideration
54) Conference USA
55) Coastal
56) Horizon
57) Ivy
58) MAAC
59) MAC
60) MEAC
61) NEC
62) OVC
63) Patriot League
64) SWAC
65) Southern
66) Southland
67) Summit
68) Sun Belt
69) WAC


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70) Texas The horns have much better predictive number (29th in BPI!) than Georgia, Arkansas or even Vanderbilt but at a certain point it has to translate to wins and so far there haven't been enough of them for Texas. Really only 3 good wins to hang their hat on vs. A&M, Mizzou and at Oklahoma and not much even in the decent win category. The path here is to win the 3 @South Carolina, Georgia and Oklahoma, if they can do that they will be in the hunt. Given their lack of results in non conference, the magic number for Texas to get a bid may be 8 SEC wins however which means they may need 1 more in addition to those 3.

71) Wake Forest They were hanging their hat on the "no bad losses" thing and then they took a horrible loss on Wednesday night to Florida State on their home court. Those are the kind of losses that get brought up on Selection Sunday as the reason you are headed to the NIT. The resume numbers are not bad…the predictives are horrendous (71 in KenPom, 71 in Torvik). The rest of the schedule has 2 difficult games @SMU and @Duke, and a ton of just can't take a bad loss games. They need to go 5-1 in these last 6 to feel any kind of comfortable on Selection Sunday.

72) VCU Only 1 quad 1 win, earlier this year at Dayton, no quad 1 games left. Realistically they need to win out, including beating Dayton again and beating George Mason, both home games. If they do that they should be in as an at large. The predictive numbers (mid 30s) are already good enough to get in if they can boost the SOR (53) and WAB (57).

73) Indiana The Hoosiers got their biggest win of the year at Michigan State this week. No losses outside of Quad 1 but there are still some real stinkers in there (losing by 25 to Iowa, 28 to Louisville, 17 to Nebraska, 9 to Northwestern). The profile has some good to it (38th in KPI, and some bac 60th in Torvik). Hard to see this one NOT being one of the last 4 in/first 4 out.

74) North Carolina Similar profile as Indiana, 1 pretty good win (neutral court vs. UCLA) but ultimately just too many losses. They don't have as many bad blowout losses like the Hoosiers (except for this weeks stinker at Clemson) but they do have one black eye of the loss at home to Stanford (Quad 3). Only 1 Quad 1 game left, to end the season at home vs. Duke. The rest of the schedule is 4 quad 3s, a quad 4 and a quad 2. Vs. that weak schedule they probably need to win out to have a realistic chance.

75) Kansas State K State was left for dead in late January with a 7-11 record with only 1 of those wins better than quad 3. Since then they have won 6 straight including picking up 4 quad 1 wins. The profile has gotten a lot better but is still in the mid 50s across both resume and predictive numbers (2 quad 3 losses will do that) so they still have a ways to go. Not an easy remaining schedule with 4 quad 1 games left, but if they can split those and win the other 3 to get to 19 wins I like their chances.


76) UC San Diego Only played 4 games all year above quad 3, splitting with UC Irvine, winning at Utah State and losing at San Diego State. They also picked up 2 quad 3 losses along the way. They do have 1 quad 2 game left at CSUN. They absolutely have to win out to have any chance at an at large but if they do, their resume numbers which are currently in the mid 50s, may get good enough to give them a chance.

77) UC Irvine Similar situation as UCSD. In addition to splitting the season series with UCSD the lost their other quad 1 game at Oregon State and picked up 2 quad 2 wins at UNI and at CSUN. All quad 3 and 4 the rest of the way so they have to win out to have any chance. They are up to 35 in KPI but that feels like an anomaly (56 in SOR, 52 in WAB) and significantly worse in the predictives (99 in BPI. 68 in KenPom, 85 in Torvik).

78) San Francisco
79) George Mason
80) Cincinnati
81) USC
82) Boise State
83) UCF
84) Pitt
85) Xavier
86) Arizona state
87) Dayton
88) Villanova
89) Santa Clara
90) Iowa
91) TCU
92) Rutgers
93) Oregon State
94) Colorado State
95) Georgetown




These teams are not really in the same category as those above them, there is a considerable gap in profile strength but they are still technically alive since they have so many elite wins left on their schedule if they were to win out, but effectively there is no realistic path. Not eliminating them quite yet, since they can technically get to an at large

96) Northwestern
97) LSU
98) Utah
99) Washington
100) Penn state
101) Minnesota
102) Oklahoma State
103) South Carolina

I pretty much agree on everything you posted. I was very surprised you have Gonzaga and Saint Mary's at the 8/9 seed line. I assume they will move up as carnage continues to happen around them. I have them there too and thought my model was off.
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Right now, I have three teams that are in play for the final 1 seed: Houston, Purdue, and Florida. Can A&M put themselves in that discussion? Absolutely. We have the schedule in front of us that will propel us forward if we do very well.
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St. Mary's is close to the 7 line. 31st in SOR and 30th in BPI with limited top end wins i think will hurt them. Best win is over Gonzaga on their home floor...other than that...beating Nebraska on a neutral court

They can move up quite a bit if they win at Gonzaga next weekend. If they lose that i think a 7 is the absolute cap of where they can get to.

For Gonzaga they are 41, 49 and 48 in the resume numbers. Outstanding predictives (12, 11, 18 They end the year with 3 straight quad 1 opportunities and will be one of the teams with the wildest range of outcomes going into those 3 games with anything from out of the tournament altogether if they lose all 3 to playing thier way up to a 5 seed by winning out. The predictive models expect them to win out so any losses are going to tank those numbers.
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LouisvilleAg said:

Right now, I have three teams that are in play for the final 1 seed: Houston, Purdue, and Florida. Can A&M put themselves in that discussion? Absolutely. We have the schedule in front of us that will propel us forward if we do very well.
If today was selection Sunday i feel very confident Florida would be selected in front of those 2, and we will see them as the 4th #1 seed during the Saturday reveal.

If they are not a one seed on Saturday that is a pretty big blow to the league as it signals that even with a clearly better resume they are not going to put 3 one seeds from the SEC.
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ColleyvilleAg06 said:

LouisvilleAg said:

Right now, I have three teams that are in play for the final 1 seed: Houston, Purdue, and Florida. Can A&M put themselves in that discussion? Absolutely. We have the schedule in front of us that will propel us forward if we do very well.
If today was selection Sunday i feel very confident Florida would be selected in front of those 2, and we will see them as the 4th #1 seed during the Saturday reveal.

If they are not a one seed on Saturday that is a pretty big blow to the league as it signals that even with a clearly better resume they are not going to put 3 one seeds from the SEC.
I think the one thing that hurts Florida is the SOS. Is this factored in at all? I don't think so.

Florida - 41
Houston - 24
Purdue - 2
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Strength of Schedule is absolutely a factor but Florida has won more games.

In Strength of record Florida is #3. Houston is #7 and Purdue is #11.

At the end of the day 3 losses vs. the #41 schedule is more impressive than 6 losses vs. the #2 schedule.
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Man I would love to be a 2 seed and have the expectation be making the sweet 16
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Since they are doing the sneak peak on Saturday, might as well add my top teams to Colleyville's:

Definite 1 seeds:
Auburn
Alabama
Duke

Either 1 or 2 seeds:
Florida
Houston
Purdue

2 seeds:
Tennessee
Texas A&M

3 seeds:
Iowa State
Kansas

3 or 4 seeds:
Wisconsin
Texas Tech
Arizona
Michigan

4 seeds:
St. John's
Kentucky
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OP updated with Gonzaga/Memphis/Maryland wins and Nebraska/San Francisco losses
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OP updated with continuing to build this out with narratives on the 4 and 5 lines.
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I think because you've got the current state of things so well locked down that seed watch is going to focus a lot more on each team's projections.
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Missed on Kansas and Kentucky. Had everyone else right.
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Updated with the games through Saturday night (with the exception of UC Irvine playing in Hawaii)
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OP updated as well as the 3rd post to update current metrics.

Lots of eliminations of the fringe bubble contenders the last 2 days. St. John's and Maryland earn lock status.
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ColleyvilleAg06 said:

The NCAA bracketing rules state that a conferences top 4 teams cannot be in the same region if they are in the top 4 seed lines. There is no rule preventing a 1 and a 2 both being in the south region if that 2 seed is the 5th best team from the SEC.


I did not know this rule. It just highlights the importance of beating and staying ahead of Tennessee.
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ColleyvilleAg06 said:

OP updated as well as the 3rd post to update current metrics.

Lots of eliminations of the fringe bubble contenders the last 2 days. St. John's and Maryland earn lock status.
To me, there are 6, maybe 7 teams that have a legit shot at the 1 seed.

Obviously Auburn as they are pretty much a lock for a 1 seed and the top 1 seed. After that, there are 5 other teams in my model that are really close to each other:

Alabama
Duke
Houston
Florida
Tennessee

A&M has an outside shot at a 1 seed because they play 3 teams above them. Win all three and there is a legit shot. Win 2 of 3 and they get to go against Duke. Win 1 of 3 or any other result, they will be destined for Auburn's bracket. At this point, barring an absolute collapse, they will not be worse than a 3 seed.
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I think we've all been sleeping on Wisconsin.
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