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In reply to CapCityAg89 • 8:39p, 11/4/24
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The way this board hates Hefner is beyond my understanding. And the idea that Buzz intentionally plays him because he's not serious about winning has to be the most asinine thing I've seen on TexAgs in forever.

I really dislike the team losing. I hate this board when the team loses. Absolutely no perspective.

I don't think Buzz plays him because Buzz is not serious about winning. I think Buzz plays him because Buzz is not a great evaluator of talent. But if Hefner is indeed one of the 5 best players on this roster, then Buzz has done a terrible job of recruiting. (Which is another issue completely...) Hell...if Hefner is one of the 15 best players on this roster, then we're in deep trouble.

Hefner has no business on a D-I basketball court. He's slow, he's a subpar shooter, he makes terrible decisions, he has bad hands, and he's clumsy. I'm sure he's a helluva nice guy and he "gets" A&M or whatever, but if he is truly our best option and he's going to see any non-blowout playing time, then it's going to be a long, miserable season.

But those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Isaiah 40:31 (NIV)
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8:39p, 11/4/24
Long season. This isn't football.
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In reply to czar_iv • 8:39p, 11/4/24
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He was completely out of control in the first half.
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8:39p, 11/4/24
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17 more free throws. 14 more makes. Lose by 3. That's the entire ballgame. This is what our opponents felt like in 22-23.
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In reply to Double Diamond • 8:39p, 11/4/24
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Long season. This isn't football.
Yep. I'll hold judgement until we get our point guard back
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In reply to CapCityAg89 • 8:40p, 11/4/24
CapCityAg89 said:
The way this board hates Hefner is beyond my understanding. And the idea that Buzz intentionally plays him because he's not serious about winning has to be the most asinine thing I've seen on TexAgs in forever.

I really dislike the team losing. I hate this board when the team loses. Absolutely no perspective.


Please provide us with your perspective. What did he do well tonight? He is a starter on an SEC team that put up zero points and bricked the biggest shot of the game.
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In reply to czar_iv • 8:40p, 11/4/24
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TheWoodsAg said:
They shot 31 FT, we shot 14.
we had them in foul trouble, how is that possible. I wasnt able to see whole game, but that sounds like stupid play and coaching.
Manny played like a shell of himself. Put all of the guard duties on Wade. Played really well till the final two minutes
That wasn't Manny's fault; Buzz didn't play him. Check his minutes. Buzz was playing Carter and Hefner.
Manny got 15 minutes to Hefner's 14.
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8:41p, 11/4/24
Nothing like texags where we start yelling at each other! Gonna be a long season.
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In reply to AggieCrew44 • 8:42p, 11/4/24
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AggieCrew44 said:
czar_iv said:
AggieCrew44 said:
mncag said:
TheWoodsAg said:
They shot 31 FT, we shot 14.
we had them in foul trouble, how is that possible. I wasnt able to see whole game, but that sounds like stupid play and coaching.
Manny played like a shell of himself. Put all of the guard duties on Wade. Played really well till the final two minutes
That wasn't Manny's fault; Buzz didn't play him. Check his minutes. Buzz was playing Carter and Hefner.
He was absolutely awful when he played. He rightfully didn't play much; He's has to be better if we want to reach our ceiling
Maybe but you can't just throw him at the end and expect him to be hot. Play the best players and stop wasting minutes on players that have never proven that they can really play at this level. Manny was the best player in the SEC and NCAA tournament last year besides Taylor. Freakin play him and live with his mistakes or correct them.
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8:42p, 11/4/24
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FWIW Hefner was a team best +9 tonight. Wilcher and Manny were both -7.
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8:43p, 11/4/24
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I love that people think Phelps will save us as if Wade will start giving the ball up in crunch time or that Buzz will make him.
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In reply to bobinator • 8:43p, 11/4/24
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What does that metric mean?
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In reply to czar_iv • 8:43p, 11/4/24
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czar_iv said:
AggieCrew44 said:
czar_iv said:
AggieCrew44 said:
mncag said:
TheWoodsAg said:
They shot 31 FT, we shot 14.
we had them in foul trouble, how is that possible. I wasnt able to see whole game, but that sounds like stupid play and coaching.
Manny played like a shell of himself. Put all of the guard duties on Wade. Played really well till the final two minutes
That wasn't Manny's fault; Buzz didn't play him. Check his minutes. Buzz was playing Carter and Hefner.
He was absolutely awful when he played. He rightfully didn't play much; He's has to be better if we want to reach our ceiling
Maybe but you can't just throw him at the end and expect him to be hot. Play the best players and stop wasting minutes on players that have never proven that they can really play at this level. Manny was the best player in the SEC and NCAA tournament last year besides Taylor. Freakin play him and live with his mistakes or correct them.
I mean yes, but he flat out kept them in the game the first half with turnovers. I had no problem benching him tonight

He even got in late and did nothing
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8:43p, 11/4/24
Bottom line you are almost top ten team with preseason all Anerican guard. We are missing a starter but we should win that game but we are absolutely stupid on defense go for every head fake, we reach jack grab stupid typical undisciplined buzz ball, missed ft's, t/o's and shooting 38%.
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8:44p, 11/4/24
Taylor was thoroughly outplayed by their pg.
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In reply to MisterJones • 8:44p, 11/4/24
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How many times am I gonna read "some of yall don't know basketball" this season


"Some of y'all don't like hearing the truth" is a much more accurate statement.
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In reply to phatty26 • 8:45p, 11/4/24
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We are missing a starter but we should win that game but we are absolutely stupid on defense go for every head fake, we reach jack grab stupid typical undisciplined buzz ball, missed ft's, t/o's and shooting 38%.


That is an impressive run-on sentence.
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In reply to AggieCrew44 • 8:45p, 11/4/24
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AggieCrew44 said:
czar_iv said:
AggieCrew44 said:
czar_iv said:
AggieCrew44 said:
mncag said:
TheWoodsAg said:
They shot 31 FT, we shot 14.
we had them in foul trouble, how is that possible. I wasnt able to see whole game, but that sounds like stupid play and coaching.
Manny played like a shell of himself. Put all of the guard duties on Wade. Played really well till the final two minutes
That wasn't Manny's fault; Buzz didn't play him. Check his minutes. Buzz was playing Carter and Hefner.
He was absolutely awful when he played. He rightfully didn't play much; He's has to be better if we want to reach our ceiling
Maybe but you can't just throw him at the end and expect him to be hot. Play the best players and stop wasting minutes on players that have never proven that they can really play at this level. Manny was the best player in the SEC and NCAA tournament last year besides Taylor. Freakin play him and live with his mistakes or correct them.
I mean yes, but he flat out kept them in the game the first half with turnovers. I had no problem benching him tonight

He even got in late and did nothing
14 minutes doesn't seem like a lot for a player who needs to be one of the top scorers on your team
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In reply to Luke The Drifter • 8:45p, 11/4/24
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Luke The Drifter said:
CapCityAg89 said:
The way this board hates Hefner is beyond my understanding. And the idea that Buzz intentionally plays him because he's not serious about winning has to be the most asinine thing I've seen on TexAgs in forever.

I really dislike the team losing. I hate this board when the team loses. Absolutely no perspective.

I don't think Buzz plays him because Buzz is not serious about winning. I think Buzz plays him because Buzz is not a great evaluator of talent. But if Hefner is indeed one of the 5 best players on this roster, then Buzz has done a terrible job of recruiting. (Which is another issue completely...) Hell...if Hefner is one of the 15 best players on this roster, then we're in deep trouble.

Hefner has no business on a D-I basketball court. He's slow, he's a subpar shooter, he makes terrible decisions, he has bad hands, and he's clumsy. I'm sure he's a helluva nice guy and he "gets" A&M or whatever, but if he is truly our best option and he's going to see any non-blowout playing time, then it's going to be a long, miserable season.



I'm by no means a Hefner fan but chill out with this.

He won't be starting when Phelps is health and his minutes will be cut significantly when Wilcher gets into the system. Him being forced into 14 minutes is not a referendum on Buzz's ability to evaluate talent.
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8:46p, 11/4/24
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Pigeon consultants fly in and crap on everyone…heh.

Buzz does things his way. He generally hasn't played fan service games. He treats loyal players with loyalty. He has same structure as Jimbo's contract unless the extension significantly changed that in out years.

I'm not suggesting this is fun. But I think choosing to be miserable about it changes nothing.

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In reply to czar_iv • 8:47p, 11/4/24
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czar_iv said:
AggieCrew44 said:
czar_iv said:
AggieCrew44 said:
czar_iv said:
AggieCrew44 said:
mncag said:
TheWoodsAg said:
They shot 31 FT, we shot 14.
we had them in foul trouble, how is that possible. I wasnt able to see whole game, but that sounds like stupid play and coaching.
Manny played like a shell of himself. Put all of the guard duties on Wade. Played really well till the final two minutes
That wasn't Manny's fault; Buzz didn't play him. Check his minutes. Buzz was playing Carter and Hefner.
He was absolutely awful when he played. He rightfully didn't play much; He's has to be better if we want to reach our ceiling
Maybe but you can't just throw him at the end and expect him to be hot. Play the best players and stop wasting minutes on players that have never proven that they can really play at this level. Manny was the best player in the SEC and NCAA tournament last year besides Taylor. Freakin play him and live with his mistakes or correct them.
I mean yes, but he flat out kept them in the game the first half with turnovers. I had no problem benching him tonight

He even got in late and did nothing
14 minutes doesn't seem like a lot for a player who needs to be one of the top scorers on your team
14 minutes is plenty of time to throw a game away

He flat out stunk tonight and got benched. It isn't hard
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In reply to czar_iv • 8:48p, 11/4/24
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What does that metric mean?


No offense…but you're trying to critically evaluate a basketball game and don't know what +/- is?
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8:48p, 11/4/24
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We dislike Hefner because he sucks. He can't defend, he can't shoot, and is usually a turnover machine.
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In reply to Detective Jake Peralta • 8:48p, 11/4/24
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Detective Jake Peralta said:
Luke The Drifter said:
CapCityAg89 said:
The way this board hates Hefner is beyond my understanding. And the idea that Buzz intentionally plays him because he's not serious about winning has to be the most asinine thing I've seen on TexAgs in forever.

I really dislike the team losing. I hate this board when the team loses. Absolutely no perspective.

I don't think Buzz plays him because Buzz is not serious about winning. I think Buzz plays him because Buzz is not a great evaluator of talent. But if Hefner is indeed one of the 5 best players on this roster, then Buzz has done a terrible job of recruiting. (Which is another issue completely...) Hell...if Hefner is one of the 15 best players on this roster, then we're in deep trouble.

Hefner has no business on a D-I basketball court. He's slow, he's a subpar shooter, he makes terrible decisions, he has bad hands, and he's clumsy. I'm sure he's a helluva nice guy and he "gets" A&M or whatever, but if he is truly our best option and he's going to see any non-blowout playing time, then it's going to be a long, miserable season.



I'm by no means a Hefner fan but chill out with this.

He won't be starting when Phelps is health and his minutes will be cut significantly when Wilcher gets into the system. Him being forced into 14 minutes is not a referendum on Buzz's ability to evaluate talent.



I'm not just saying Hefner shouldn't be starting. I'm saying he shouldn't be getting *any* minutes. Seriously - is the rest of the roster so bad that 14 of the 200 possible game minutes have to go to Hefner? We honestly have NO ONE else on the bench that can outperform Hefner?

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8:49p, 11/4/24
Hayden Hefner in conference play last year:

11min/game: 2.9 points, 1.2 rebounds, 0.9 turnovers


Hayden Hefner in tournament (SEC and NCAA) play last year:

5.4min/game: 0.4 points, 0.8 rebounds, 0.0 turnovers


59% free throw shooter. 28% three-point shooter.


I seriously want some of you to tell me that there is not a player in the portal capable of giving you more than that. If there is, and we stuck with Hefner -- ask yourself if we truly are serious about winning on a national contending level.
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In reply to Luke The Drifter • 8:50p, 11/4/24
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Edit: I re-read your post and better understand what you're saying now. But I don't think we need to make it a referendum on Buzz's talent evaluation when he won't be playing those minutes.
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In reply to czar_iv • 8:50p, 11/4/24
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Those games were six months ago. Tonight when Manny was on the floor, he played poorly and didn't deserve a ton of minutes. He was bad in the first half and his coming in the game in the second half corresponded with the collapse. The collapse wasn't his fault, but he did not play well at all.

I will say I didn't love the way we used Manny tonight. He has shown his best when he's off the ball. The offense does not run well when he brings it up or runs point. I get the idea with having Wade off the ball, but it is so rarely successful I wish we'd just scrap it.
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In reply to Detective Jake Peralta • 8:50p, 11/4/24
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Detective Jake Peralta said:
czar_iv said:
What does that metric mean?
No offense…but you're trying to critically evaluate a basketball game and don't know what +/- is?
Yes I am. I am sorry that I don't follow data science basketball metrics at your level. Why don't you define it instead of being a b?
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In reply to Detective Jake Peralta • 8:53p, 11/4/24
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Again, I'm not a fan of Hefner and don't think he'll play much in conference play.

You mentioned that Buzz might think he's one of the best five players on the team and there's just no way that's the case.

He's played double digit minutes every year he's been at A&M.

Buzz likes Hefner. Hefner likely does the things Buzz asks of him. Buzz does not want to run off a player that has shown up every single year.

I have no problems people giving Buzz credit for that. He's a developer of men and he's never shied away from saying that.

But he's made it very, very clear that the development of men is more important to him than winning basketball games.

And again, some people may not have a problem with that.
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In reply to czar_iv • 8:53p, 11/4/24
Data science?

Its a pretty basic stat.
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In reply to AggieOO • 8:54p, 11/4/24
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AggieOO said:
Data science?

Its a pretty basic stat.
What's the definition then?
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8:55p, 11/4/24
It's a basic stat that means next to nothing on a granular (single game) level. If I sit in the corner twiddling my thumbs but I'm on the floor with Lebron, my +/- is going to look good.

Hefner has an overwhelming amount of data on him. He's a below replacement level player statistically (to stay on the analytics kick, he's got a negative WAR).
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In reply to czar_iv • 8:55p, 11/4/24
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It's the game score when a player is in the game. Like when Hefner was in we outscored them by 9.
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8:55p, 11/4/24
Lost a winnable game.

With this schedule, if Buzz pulls his typical slow start crap, we'll be sub 0.500 to start conference play.
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In reply to czar_iv • 8:55p, 11/4/24
You could have googled it about 65 times by now.
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