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a&m paid probably close to 100k for that loss to southern last year...but if southern playing gonzaga "close" on a neutral court makes you feel better...whatever.

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it doesn't make me feel better. I was there and was pissed.

I guess close wins only suck when it's us and when Gonzaga barely beats Southern it's just a fluke and we shouldn't look at the score.

MM: It is not a logical statement that A&M will spend $ in a minor sport but not men's b-ball, which is arguably (from the standpoint of many here) a minor sport. BCG won and filled the house.

Full houses bring revenue and draw recruits. BK lost the program more $ than his salary last year, compared with Turge. Econ 101 I can't imagine our facilities are worse than SMU's!

If things don't work out this season, now is the time to strike for a top tier or hot coach while JFF fever still has fallout.

Yea, Wichita State beat Gonzaga! We lost to Southern! And learned so much and were so pissed we proceed to sleepwalk through the next two games after losing to Southern!

Lover: What part of $75,000,000 is unclear?


Hyman will write the check necessary.

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I guess close wins only suck when it's us and when Gonzaga barely beats Southern it's just a fluke and we shouldn't look at the score.

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Did Gonzaga go out and lose to or barely squeak by two other low rung teams that same week?

If not, it's really not all that relevant.

No one is taking the Southern loss alone as a reason that BK isn't getting it done. Nor is anyone taking the Year 1 disaster alone as a reason that BK isn't getting it done.

It's not hard to find supporting evidence.

jml2621, I'm betting I'm right.

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I guess close wins only suck when it's us and when Gonzaga barely beats Southern it's just a fluke and we shouldn't look at the score.

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Did Gonzaga go out and lose to or barely squeak by two other low rung teams that same week?

If not, it's really not all that relevant.

No one is taking the Southern loss alone as a reason that BK isn't getting it done. Nor is anyone taking the Year 1 disaster alone as a reason that BK isn't getting it done.

It's not hard to find supporting evidence.

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i am just saying out of the complete body of work the two close wins aren't really anything. They aren't. Maybe it meant a lot to you at the time, but the season record is there and close wins are still wins.

They just extended the contract of Gary Blair:

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Well deserved it! Hopefully BK will be able to raise the bar this year and get us to the "promise land" (NCAA tourney).

let Blair coach the men.

So, Step 1 in the "It's Year 3 so we have to prove we still deserve our salaries" plan for the staff is:

"No losing at home to some crappy team like Rice or Southern"

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ban yourself

Ugh. Why don't reporters vet their sources before reporting a "scoop"? Get at least 2-3 credible sources "close to the program" before reporting it. By the way, a towel boy would be considered close to the program in most journalists minds. Don't throw crap to the wall and hope it sticks. Brent did post this on his "blog" so I guess that means it's not real journalism anyway.

The next question to ask is Did someone in the AD piss off Brent to make him report this? Is TexAgs getting too much coverage from the AD and Brent feels shorted?

Just write good stories based upon well vetted facts and everything will take care of itself.

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Count me among those who believe we better be hoping and praying for BK to succeed this year. Look, BK wants to be here. He likes it here. He's invested in our program and our community. We need to get behind this guy and truly support the program.

I agree that A&M has NEVER made the necessary commitment to the men's basketball program to lure a top replacement, regardless of how much $ they throw at him.

A top guy can go other places that are committed to basketball. Don't forget, BCG and Turge didn't leave here over money, they left here to go to basketball schools. We are not a basketball school. That limits our options, regardless of money. If that doesn't change, neither will the fate of our program.

It is up to the administration to get serious about basketball and that means finding ways to get butts in seats and generate excitement. Basketball isn't a "revenue sport" if the building is empty. Boost attendance first (across the board ticket costs) then work the supply/demand angle once there is truly a demand. (a concept Byrne never grasped) Coaches, players and recruits don't respond well to empty seats.

Edit to add: I do believe he is gone if we don't make the post season, but I suspect he would resign of his own will. That's just my opinion.

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Also, as echoed on other threads on this site, a professional like Hyman does not issue black and white ultimatums for performance. He evaluates continuously and makes decisions based on a multitude of factors at season's end. Issuing ultimatums before the season starts :
1) does not help the AD in his efforts to support the men's basketball program (which is his primary goal)
2) Does not leave any latitude to adjust his decision at season's end based on other factors that arise.
3)Can potentially impact recruiting due to leaks to the media. What AD naively assumes that these ultimatums could not potentially get leaked to the media?

So it just doesn't make sense that Hyman would do this. He is too good for that.

What I think happened:
1) a disgruntled donor (who doesn't like the direction of the basketball program) misinterprets a general statement from Hyman about how our athletic teams need to perform and do well as being an "ultimatum" for Kennedy. This may have been couched between conversations about the men's basketball program.
2) Said disgruntled donor has a conversation with Brent about how he is disappointed in the direction of the basketball program and believes Kennedy should be replaced. The donor mentions the conversation with Hyman and states that he believes Hyman has already issued an ultimatum to Kennedy.
3) Brent reports it as fact on his blog.

Reminds me of the exercise in elementary school where the kids sit in a circle and the teacher whispers a sentence into the ear of the first kid. Each kid in the circle in turn whispers the sentence to his neighbor. By the time the last kid repeats the sentence, it is completely different.

Zwernemann likely only had 1 source and it turns out to be a bad one.

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It is up to the administration to get serious about basketball and that means finding ways to get butts in seats and generate excitement. Basketball isn't a "revenue sport" if the building is empty. Boost attendance first (across the board ticket costs) then work the supply/demand angle once there is truly a demand. (a concept Byrne never grasped) Coaches, players and recruits don't respond well to empty seats.

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We wouldn't get a full house last year to most games even if the tickets were free. People won't waste their time on a losing product. Ticket costs are not the problem. Losing is the problem. Dance or fire should be our motto. We only have to be the 50th best team to dance.

We didn't get a full house to many games in the Saint Billy Gillispie era either.

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Couple of questions here. Where did you come up with the number 50? Do you know how many Division I-A basketball schools there are?

I will also say that Hyman was very supportive of Coach Kennedy and staff at the Brazos County Coaches Night before the football season. He specifically mentioned the team's victory at Kentucky as being a big positive for the program and complimented Kennedy for, among other things, beating ranked opponents last season.



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He specifically mentioned the team's victory at Kentucky as being a big positive for the program

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... except we went on to lose the next 4... 3 of which were winnable games.

And lets be honest, coaching isn't what won the game @ Rupp. Melvin Watkins could have coached that game... actually it was very reminiscent of a Watkins coached game... Instead of "Bernard take the ball and score" it was "Elston take the ball and score".

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and complimented Kennedy for, among other things, beating ranked opponents last season.

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Opponent.

I read that article in today's paper but somehow don't believe it.

Didn't he beat UK when ranked and Mizzou?

Kentucky had already fallen out of the Top 25 rankings when we beat them at Rupp.

Missouri was #21, but after losing to us fell out of the Top 25 and never returned.

Florida, who beat us by 20+ at home in a game that was over by halftime, was the only team that finished the season ranked (#14 in final polls).

SEC is really bad.

Glad we are fitting in!

"You do realize bcg was the driving force behind the facilities, right? Unfortunately UK came calling and there was nothing going to stop a guy like bcg from leaving."

Not sure how this squares with the way he convinced Frank Broyles he was coming to Arkansas and then stood ol Frank up (after Ark fired their coach to make room for Billy).

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Yea I'm going with Brent Z, guy is credible and has no reason to run with this if he didn't get it were he says he got it.

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Couple of questions here. Where did you come up with the number 50? Do you know how many Division I-A basketball schools there are?

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1)By studying which teams make the dance each year for the last decade and using RPI rankings.

2)yes, there are 347. There are 246 FBS and FCS football teams and we are ranked 9th. There are 298 baseball teams and we were ranked 32nd last season.

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txjortsagent
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Just a quick FYI.... The source of the article is incorrect. That conversation didn't happen.

He was given a review at season end last season and that's it.

Timing of the article is very curious.

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Good lord you're without a doubt the worst poster on this site.

I don't know Jorts personally but I would bet large sums of money that he is correct on this one.

Attendance the last 12 years and 4 coaches . . .

- MW last 3 years we averaged around 6,200
- Under BCG we averaged just over 9,100
- Under MT we averaged about 9,500
- Under BK we've averaged around 6,800

The point? Reed holds 12,989 for basketball games, so even when we were winning we've fallen far short of consistently selling out.

Winning is obviously a huge part of attendance, but it isn't the only factor. If the other factor isn't price, what is it?

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Winning is obviously a huge part of attendance, but it isn't the only factor. If the other factor isn't price, what is it?

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we built Reed to big

Bunch of fools! Why does Brent Z hate us? He doesn't, this school has a history of leaks in the AD. Jorts I'm taking a really good writer and good man

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I think saying ncaa or bust is setting Kennedy up for failure. Only UK and UF have the talent to demand this. This isn't anymore than a 4 bid league. I really think it's a 3 bid league. Besides UK and UF, LSU and Arkansas have more size and talent. This should be a middle of the pack SEC team, that won't get you in the tourney.

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Mid majors make it with less resources. He's had multiple chances. The team has lost toughness during his tenure.

Midmajors have some advantages. For one, basketball is their only thing. Two, they play against other mid majors:

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Which is why Hyman didn't give Kennedy an ultimatum. If he knew there was a remote chance of it getting to the media, he wouldn't have done it. He's not that dense. What we have is likely a case of a donor misinterpreting statements made by Hyman and then running to Brent Z to report it as fact.

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I honestly think there wasn't much toughness with the players he inherited. Two players I consider tough that he brought in last year that made it to the court: Fabyon and Alex.
This year is yet to be determined. But, from the game Wednesday it appears that that there will be more.