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I'd imagine that the constraint on wine is access to good fruit and not a lack of customers.

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Good point. So they hit a point but it was based on production, not market.

Ah, I though it sold out by the time we got up there.

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I've passed on a bottle of Utopias a couple of times as well. I just can't bring myself to drop $200 on a bottle when I think about how much excellent beer I could buy for that price (or a good bottle or two of single malt scotch, for example). If I ever get an opportunity to buy just a pour, though, I'll jump on it.

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If you consider that it isn't really a beer in the traditional sense, but rather an after dinner drink that you sip on like cognac, then it becomes more financially viable. A bottle of Utopias will last me 3-6 months.

That makes more sense, is it high ABV like liquor?

Nvm, Google found out for me.

Bought a bottle of the 2012 10 year anniversary utopias in 2013 that was still on a shelf more for the novelty of it. Don't know if I'd buy another again it's good for what it is. Honestly my suggestion would be to hit up GABF and get a few heavy pours of it there.
It really is much more like a cognac as it's not carbonated and drink it at room temperature

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Bought a bottle of the 2012 10 year anniversary utopias in 2013 that was still on a shelf more for the novelty of it. Don't know if I'd buy another again it's good for what it is. Honestly my suggestion would be to hit up GABF and get a few heavy pours of it there.
It really is much more like a cognac as it's not carbonated and drink it at room temperature

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No doubt. They basically filled our glasses last year when there was no line.

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Ah, I though it sold out by the time we got up there.

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nope, two were left, both in their boxes. I think the conversation with the employees may have drawn your attention away.

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Good point. All the talk of 11 under yesterday got me brainstorming saturation. I'm not sure where that point occurs.

BSD may have a better mind to talk with about this, I'm sure wine producers in California hit this mark in the past.

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I ran the numbers last year for an article. This is how they came out:

Denver has one brewery for every 28k people.

Houston? One for every 274k people.

Austin? One for every 40k people.

DFW? One for every 185k people.

San Antonio? One for every 151k people

Houston, DFW, and SA can pretty much pump breweries in for quite some time. Sure, the Denver market is different, but all markets are starting to head towards more craft.

Austin is the only one somewhat getting close, and it can still add another 30ish before it is close to Denver.

and wasn't there somewhere in the pac-nw or cali that was even more dense than Denver? or am i making that up?

Fantastic research. /fellow numbers guy

Do you have a link to said article?

Bend, Or supposedly has more breweries per capita than anywhere.

I know that we all love College Station, but damn. Bend, Oregon.

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I know that we all love College Station, but damn. Bend, Oregon.

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Seriously, after going there, I never wanted to leave.

Such an awesome place, especially if you love the outdoors and, of course, beer.

Not too far from the ocean, right in the mountains, good skiing nearby, desert/canyons to the east.

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I know that we all love College Station, but damn. Bend, Oregon.

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if i could get a (good) job there, i'd move today.

I'm thinking of heading to the Bend area for the solar ellipse next year. August is pretty awesome out there from what I remember.

i have a friend that, last year, go out of the military, built a tiny house, and moved as quickly as he could to Bend. His pictures are amazing. Not sure I'd be down for the tiny house though.

I think that there is more to it than breweries per capita. There is a huge early mover advantage that some of the larger Colorado and Oregon craft breweries have. They've got name recognition and shelf space. As long as BMC controls the distributors, upstart breweries will have to fight the established guys like Deschutes and Oskar Blues for shelf space.

I wouldn't move to Bend if I was going to Oregon. I'd rather live somewhere like Pacific City and have a fishing boat.

I speak for all Coloradans when I say that if you're thinking about moving, it should definitely be to Oregon.

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I speak for all Austinites when I say that if you're thinking about moving, it should definitely be to anywhere else

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I speak for all Austinites when I say that if you're thinking about moving, it should definitely be to anywhere else

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I'm probably moving there next year.

More mead mail today

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Good point. All the talk of 11 under yesterday got me brainstorming saturation. I'm not sure where that point occurs.

BSD may have a better mind to talk with about this, I'm sure wine producers in California hit this mark in the past.

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I ran the numbers last year for an article. This is how they came out:

Denver has one brewery for every 28k people.

Houston? One for every 274k people.

Austin? One for every 40k people.

DFW? One for every 185k people.

San Antonio? One for every 151k people

Houston, DFW, and SA can pretty much pump breweries in for quite some time. Sure, the Denver market is different, but all markets are starting to head towards more craft.

Austin is the only one somewhat getting close, and it can still add another 30ish before it is close to Denver.

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I would also be interested to see these numbers as barrels of beer produced per capita. Most of the breweries in Denver for example are brewpubs and probably don't make very much for the most part.

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I know that we all love College Station, but damn. Bend, Oregon.

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Oregon is a pretty awesome place, glad I have family members up there now.

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I speak for all Austinites when I say that if you're thinking about moving, it should definitely be to anywhere else

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I'm probably moving there next year.

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You're allowed...

One of the main reasons I mind the influx of people is the freaking housing market... It's just dumb right now.

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Went and bought all the Texas Big Beer I could find today. Gonna put it in the cellar and trade for Trillium, Treehouse, and Casey later on. Those Queen Releases gonna be whalezbro pretty soon...




Or, they'll explode in my closet...

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Sh*t I love some fresh delusion

Got damn

We are probably going to retire to Bend. Turned down a job there with a little mom and pop shop in favor if moving to Houston and getting closer to family (and a good bit more money). I think it was the right move for this point in our lives, but damn some part of me will always regret it.

Just popped open a Bomb.

Was eyeing one of my other 2 BCBS 15s... Couldn't pull the trigger.

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Sh*t I love some fresh delusion

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I hope this hits shelves on CS soon.

Stamped 4/11 as canned and fresh as sh*t.

I still say this is my fave TX dipa.

I think I asked this before but can't recall...

I have an Avery Rumpkin in my fridge, 2015. High ABV. Anyone else try this already? Should I drink soon or wait until the fall now?