Back to some points on the original thread regarding uniforms, sharpness,leadership, integration... We were told in '77 as fish that "Old Army is dead", we looked upon our seniors as being bigger than life, and we would do pretty much anything to stand good in their eyes. They were mentors, but not our friends. Our pissheads and juniors did not help us move into our rooms, we were dropped off by our parents with our foot locker and maybe saw them once a semester. We knew that if one of us screwed up during the day that the CO would find out or the First Butt would find out, etc. and before formation and certainly after we would all find out. The problem or issue would not happen again. We were taught not to let each other down, and certainly not the outfit. The wags lived in Dorm 1 with civilian girls, we maintained our standards and they did theirs, and you would not be seen whipping out, etc. If we did not take care of our uni's our fish buddies would let us know, or sophomores did, etc. again, the problem did not happen again. We ran our ass**** off, whether it was a Company run,or whether the PH's took us out for PT, earning Corps Brass, etc,training for Bloody Cross, etc. We had some hefties, but they held there on and made it through. Some of the stuff we did for "good bull" needed to go away and did, such as using the axe handle to an extreme on some while dropping handles, spelling out each letter of someone's name...but the Corps has had to become more politically correct, unforturnately to the detriment of military bearing, etc. The Corps pretty much ran itself, with the Trigon stepping in as needed, but Corps leadership ran a tight ship,you can tell the difference.