Bunk Moreland said:

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aggiebonzo said:

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class of 03 said:

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You mentioned nothing about competitive golf, only reason I asked. I was out there, saw what you saw, and I agree with some of your points.

Also, to your point on Rory, if Bryson went back to PGA where do you think LIV would be?

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I didnt mention competitive golf because i was talking about the experience of the tournament. If bryson went back to the pga it would hurt liv but i think they could moneywhip another big name like they did rahm.

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Who seems to be loving it over there. Has already expressed he was under the impression the merger was closer to happening when he joined. Good thing they paid him all that money.

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BTW Rahm can't stand it. Says every event is like a pro-am vibe. Fits with his 2 major flops since he left.

Sounds like a merger is getting closer now.

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Have a link? I've never read or seen that.

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I doubt he would ever say it publicly.

My comment was about the topic of this thread rather than the Memorial. I hope everyone had fun but I found the lack of conversation about the competition interesting. That's all.

I'm always amazed at how pro shred GCoH. I thought maybe the overseed made it lose some it's teeth that the bermuda provides. Doesn't seem that way looking at these scores.

I find it to be really difficult from the tips, but they have zero issues going deep out there.

They seem to do a good job with embracing a different approach, but it contributes to the perception that it's just exhibition golf. More party and entertainment than sporting event. It's gonna make it tough to draw tv eyeballs

My thoughts on the event and comparing it to the Houston Open, I attended both.

1. The heat. LIV must be having trouble getting venues if the best they can do is Houston in June. The only saving grace here is that the shotgun start shortens the event.
2. It was great seeing all of the big name players at LIV. Big advantage to LIV over the Houston Open here. Only get that many big names at a signature event on PGA Tour.
3. I like the shotgun start for shortening the event, but it really makes it hard to follow the leaders down the final stretch. The thing just kind of ends when it ends and then you know who the winner is. Prefer the traditional format where you know where each player stands and how many holes they have left. I think it would be good to have a traditional tee off on Sunday LIV events with the order set by standings after Saturday.
4. I don't think the music and shorts really makes much of a difference. Golf is a pretty polite event no matter what and I didn't really see much of a difference in vibe between LIV and the Houston Open.
5. The team thing is good if you have a favorite player or two and want a way to rep them but it's very hard to follow at the event. I picked up some Crushers gear and expect to be seeing a lot of LIV gear around town now.
6. Really hoping to see some kind of merger take place soon. The essence of golf is the competition and having a chunk of the best golfers in a separate league is not good for the game. Maybe an agreement where each year players can opt into a LIV season based on world ranking. Perhaps at each LIV event, a couple of teams from the PGA tour could join in. Would be cool to see Spieth, JT, Fowler and Smylie Kaufman join LIV for one event. This would also help calibrate world rankings.

If they come back to Houston in the summer again I wouldn't go unless someone paid for the club seats because I'm not walking around there again in the heat. I'll play in that but I'm not standing around watching someone else. Overall it was enjoyable and a cool atmosphere and 100% understand why someone like Westwood, Poulter, etc would do this. They are making way more at this point in their career than they ever would by trying to stay eligible for the tour. If you're a young guy serious about winning majors then his isn't the way IMO. But you're probably set for life so that's the tradeoff you have to accept unless you want to bounce around the world trying to accumulate OWGR points and qualify that way.

It's too bad the heat was so brutal because early June can sometimes be ok, but this combo of heat + humidity was horrible over the weekend.

Dallas in late September should be ok...we usually get our first cold front before or right around then to snap the heat.

andrago94 said:

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My thoughts on the event and comparing it to the Houston Open, I attended both.

1. The heat. LIV must be having trouble getting venues if the best they can do is Houston in June. The only saving grace here is that the shotgun start shortens the event.
2. It was great seeing all of the big name players at LIV. Big advantage to LIV over the Houston Open here. Only get that many big names at a signature event on PGA Tour.
3. I like the shotgun start for shortening the event, but it really makes it hard to follow the leaders down the final stretch. The thing just kind of ends when it ends and then you know who the winner is. Prefer the traditional format where you know where each player stands and how many holes they have left. I think it would be good to have a traditional tee off on Sunday LIV events with the order set by standings after Saturday.
4. I don't think the music and shorts really makes much of a difference. Golf is a pretty polite event no matter what and I didn't really see much of a difference in vibe between LIV and the Houston Open.
5. The team thing is good if you have a favorite player or two and want a way to rep them but it's very hard to follow at the event. I picked up some Crushers gear and expect to be seeing a lot of LIV gear around town now.
6. Really hoping to see some kind of merger take place soon. The essence of golf is the competition and having a chunk of the best golfers in a separate league is not good for the game. Maybe an agreement where each year players can opt into a LIV season based on world ranking. Perhaps at each LIV event, a couple of teams from the PGA tour could join in. Would be cool to see Spieth, JT, Fowler and Smylie Kaufman join LIV for one event. This would also help calibrate world rankings.

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This is spot on. Fair take sir.

We when on Sunday, it was hot! Needed a few more water stations, enjoyed watching the players and they friendly and had good exchange with Lee Westwood. Girl friend's son got 7 or 8 autographs by the putting before the round. One young golfer Caleb Surratt impressed me, I believe he is 20 yrs old. Definitely going back!

andrago94 said:

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My thoughts on the event and comparing it to the Houston Open, I attended both.

1. The heat. LIV must be having trouble getting venues if the best they can do is Houston in June. The only saving grace here is that the shotgun start shortens the event.
2. It was great seeing all of the big name players at LIV. Big advantage to LIV over the Houston Open here. Only get that many big names at a signature event on PGA Tour.
3. I like the shotgun start for shortening the event, but it really makes it hard to follow the leaders down the final stretch. The thing just kind of ends when it ends and then you know who the winner is. Prefer the traditional format where you know where each player stands and how many holes they have left. I think it would be good to have a traditional tee off on Sunday LIV events with the order set by standings after Saturday.
4. I don't think the music and shorts really makes much of a difference. Golf is a pretty polite event no matter what and I didn't really see much of a difference in vibe between LIV and the Houston Open.
5. The team thing is good if you have a favorite player or two and want a way to rep them but it's very hard to follow at the event. I picked up some Crushers gear and expect to be seeing a lot of LIV gear around town now.
6. Really hoping to see some kind of merger take place soon. The essence of golf is the competition and having a chunk of the best golfers in a separate league is not good for the game. Maybe an agreement where each year players can opt into a LIV season based on world ranking. Perhaps at each LIV event, a couple of teams from the PGA tour could join in. Would be cool to see Spieth, JT, Fowler and Smylie Kaufman join LIV for one event. This would also help calibrate world rankings.

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I don't think LIV has much interest in having any smylie Kaufman tee it up in any of there tournaments considering he hasn't played a tour event since 2022 in which he shot +13 and missed the cut. I do think it would cool if they could combine tour somehow and had maybe the top 16 PGAT guys make four teams to compete in a few tournaments per year

In the battle of "which undeserving golfer/former golfer should get a spot," AK is leaps and bounds ahead of Smylie Kaufman. Not even on the same planet.

I was just commenting on the criteria the poster had put forth. Not on who was most deserving. IMO neither of them are. Plus I think Smylie is decent as an on course commentator.

aggiebonzo said:

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I was just commenting on the criteria the poster had put forth. Not on who was most deserving. IMO neither of them are. Plus I think Smylie is decent as an on course commentator.

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I agree about smylie being good commenting on tournaments. However when comparing him and Anthony Kim on deserving a spot and who moves the needle it isn't even close.

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AustinCountyAg said:

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andrago94 said:

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My thoughts on the event and comparing it to the Houston Open, I attended both.

1. The heat. LIV must be having trouble getting venues if the best they can do is Houston in June. The only saving grace here is that the shotgun start shortens the event.
2. It was great seeing all of the big name players at LIV. Big advantage to LIV over the Houston Open here. Only get that many big names at a signature event on PGA Tour.
3. I like the shotgun start for shortening the event, but it really makes it hard to follow the leaders down the final stretch. The thing just kind of ends when it ends and then you know who the winner is. Prefer the traditional format where you know where each player stands and how many holes they have left. I think it would be good to have a traditional tee off on Sunday LIV events with the order set by standings after Saturday.
4. I don't think the music and shorts really makes much of a difference. Golf is a pretty polite event no matter what and I didn't really see much of a difference in vibe between LIV and the Houston Open.
5. The team thing is good if you have a favorite player or two and want a way to rep them but it's very hard to follow at the event. I picked up some Crushers gear and expect to be seeing a lot of LIV gear around town now.
6. Really hoping to see some kind of merger take place soon. The essence of golf is the competition and having a chunk of the best golfers in a separate league is not good for the game. Maybe an agreement where each year players can opt into a LIV season based on world ranking. Perhaps at each LIV event, a couple of teams from the PGA tour could join in. Would be cool to see Spieth, JT, Fowler and Smylie Kaufman join LIV for one event. This would also help calibrate world rankings.

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I don't think LIV has much interest in having any smylie Kaufman tee it up in any of there tournaments considering he hasn't played a tour event since 2022 in which he shot +13 and missed the cut. I do think it would cool if they could combine tour somehow and had maybe the top 16 PGAT guys make four teams to compete in a few tournaments per year

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Yet Anthony Kim's deserving of a spot

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he was deserving of a spot. He might not get the chance next year

Kim moved the needle when he was a ghost rather than a golfer and no one could figure out even what he was up to. But I'd say the interest has already largely worn off now that we know he's just a middle-aged dude with a below average golf game by professional standards. Now, maybe he improves greatly and becomes a great comeback story. But I don't think anybody is clamoring to just lay eyes on Anthony Kim anymore.

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AustinCountyAg said:

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aggiebonzo said:

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AustinCountyAg said:

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andrago94 said:

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My thoughts on the event and comparing it to the Houston Open, I attended both.

1. The heat. LIV must be having trouble getting venues if the best they can do is Houston in June. The only saving grace here is that the shotgun start shortens the event.
2. It was great seeing all of the big name players at LIV. Big advantage to LIV over the Houston Open here. Only get that many big names at a signature event on PGA Tour.
3. I like the shotgun start for shortening the event, but it really makes it hard to follow the leaders down the final stretch. The thing just kind of ends when it ends and then you know who the winner is. Prefer the traditional format where you know where each player stands and how many holes they have left. I think it would be good to have a traditional tee off on Sunday LIV events with the order set by standings after Saturday.
4. I don't think the music and shorts really makes much of a difference. Golf is a pretty polite event no matter what and I didn't really see much of a difference in vibe between LIV and the Houston Open.
5. The team thing is good if you have a favorite player or two and want a way to rep them but it's very hard to follow at the event. I picked up some Crushers gear and expect to be seeing a lot of LIV gear around town now.
6. Really hoping to see some kind of merger take place soon. The essence of golf is the competition and having a chunk of the best golfers in a separate league is not good for the game. Maybe an agreement where each year players can opt into a LIV season based on world ranking. Perhaps at each LIV event, a couple of teams from the PGA tour could join in. Would be cool to see Spieth, JT, Fowler and Smylie Kaufman join LIV for one event. This would also help calibrate world rankings.

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I don't think LIV has much interest in having any smylie Kaufman tee it up in any of there tournaments considering he hasn't played a tour event since 2022 in which he shot +13 and missed the cut. I do think it would cool if they could combine tour somehow and had maybe the top 16 PGAT guys make four teams to compete in a few tournaments per year

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Yet Anthony Kim's deserving of a spot

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he was deserving of a spot. He might not get the chance next year

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You can say he makes sense for a fledgling league trying to attract interest. There's simply no way to say he "deserved" one of 44 spots. He hadn't played competitive golf in a decade

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you're right. Deserving wasn't the right word. But I can understand why they did it, hoping he'd come out and shoot some great scores and get viewership up. At this point I do agree the novelty has worn out

Kim's appearance and complete lack of give a **** is what turned me off him. Tuck in your shirt and don't look like a coked up homeless person man. Dude was literally going through the motions at best.