Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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dallasiteinsa02 said:

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Tiger Woods is either the next captain or the one after. Stewart Cink is probably also in consideration. I would really like to see them give it to Tiger at Bethpage. US wins big and they roll him over for a Europe win.

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Why does everyone think Tiger will make a great captain?

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Because he's the ultimate competitor.

Good post. Maybe it was as simple as easing into it on Friday and going 0-4, but I would like to add something.

We showed signs of life Friday afternoon, even though we blew leads on 18 and still lost the session 2.5 to 1.5. We were really close to a 3-1 or 2.5 victory ourselves. Had 3 leads late.

However, after showing signs of life Friday afternoon, faltered again in the same format Saturday morning as Friday morning. It still seems to be the one format that kicked our tail:

7 to 1 in Alt Shot. 3-1 after showing signs of life Friday afternoon.

US wins four-ball 4.5 to 3.5. Really close to winning them by even more.

6/6 in singles.

It's not a talent discrepancy. It isn't course set up seeing the singles and four-ball. I'm not even sure it was easing into it, though that's possible. Obviously, 0-4 Friday morning was the main culprit.

But the data shows that the alt-shot format favors the home team time and time again. Maybe it does have something to do with getting in a rhythm in front of those crowds even more so than being rusty Friday morning.

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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dallasiteinsa02 said:

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Tiger Woods is either the next captain or the one after. Stewart Cink is probably also in consideration. I would really like to see them give it to Tiger at Bethpage. US wins big and they roll him over for a Europe win.

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Why does everyone think Tiger will make a great captain?

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He understands how to play the game of golf better than anyone else that has ever lived on the face of this planet. For starters.

I'm torn on Tiger. I don't think he would dedicate himself to the job like, say, Luke Donald did. However, if one of the major issues is a lack of preparation (going overseas for a warm-up tourney, etc.) because of the timing with the end of the PGAT schedule, I think Tiger is the only guy with the clout to convince them to do it.

I don't even have a feel for who is in our stable to be captain besides Tiger and Cink.

bagger05 said:

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I don't even have a feel for who is in our stable to be captain besides Tiger and Cink.

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would love to see this guy in there for sure entertainment value ratings would be off the charts

bagger05 said:

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I don't even have a feel for who is in our stable to be captain besides Tiger and Cink.

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Phil, oh wait nvm.

Bubba, oh wait nvm.

In all seriousness maybe Justin Leonard?

Yeah... Mark O'Meara? Fred Couples?

I was fixing to put MoM, but I cant stand the guy so I didn't even want to type his name.

On Fred I would've thought he would've been captain by now. I am thinking he declined possibly? no idea though

I thought I've heard him say he would love to do it. He's been a President's Cup captain a few times. PC is run by the PGA Tour (instead of the PGA of America) so maybe he is friends with a different group of people.

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Bunk Moreland said:

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More drama/fallout from the US team...

https://www.bunkered.co.uk/golf-news/team-usa-threatened-to-boot-xander-schauffele-off-ryder-cup-team/

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Why the f*** do they need contracts to play in the Ryder Cup??

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The Ryder Cup is big business now. PGA of America is making money off it no doubt. I normally always go with the 'play for pride' side of things...but if I was going to play the Ryder Cup for no money that's one thing...having to agree to a Netflix documentary crew following me and my team around, including in the locker room during our most vulnerable moments when we're trying to play for that pride...all so the PGA of America can make more money off me? Hard no.

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A hard hell no.

EliteElectric said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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EliteElectric said:

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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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dallasiteinsa02 said:

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Tiger Woods is either the next captain or the one after. Stewart Cink is probably also in consideration. I would really like to see them give it to Tiger at Bethpage. US wins big and they roll him over for a Europe win.

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Why does everyone think Tiger will make a great captain?

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Because he's the ultimate competitor.

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Sure he was. He was a bad Ryder Cup player though.

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But he won't be rainbows and unicorns and playing bro ball with his Captain's picks. He has the sand to make the right decisions no matter who it hairlips (sorry Zach Johnson)

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Tiger would most likely play bro ball. I know a number of posters on here love him, but Tiger was a bad Ryder Cup player and really doesn't have a clue about team play.

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They should let Michael Jordan captain the next team. The vice-captains can handle the golf decisions and he can serve as the inspirational leader.

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Strange but I'd have zero problems with this. Tiger may play buddy ball but every one respects him and would play hard for him. He also captained the PC and they won then so he knows how to handle the team. Plus a NY crowd with Tiger there? No brainer. As for future captains, I'd let Love see if he can win the next over in Europe. he seems to be one of the better ones we have, almost winning Medinah then winning Hazeltine.

I really don't care about the Ryder Cup at Bethpage. It's going to be set up just like Whistling Straits was in 2021. I'm all about the Ryder Cup in 2027. I'm sick of the US team getting their asses kicked in Europe.

F Ryder Cup
F Euros

F ***** ass American RC team.

Let's move on!!

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

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I really don't care about the Ryder Cup at Bethpage. It's going to be set up just like Whistling Straits was in 2021. I'm all about the Ryder Cup in 2027. I'm sick of the US team getting their asses kicked in Europe.

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Significantly different golf course

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JCA1 said:

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They should let Michael Jordan captain the next team. The vice-captains can handle the golf decisions and he can serve as the inspirational leader.

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Strange but I'd have zero problems with this. Tiger may play buddy ball but every one respects him and would play hard for him. He also captained the PC and they won then so he knows how to handle the team. Plus a NY crowd with Tiger there? No brainer. As for future captains, I'd let Love see if he can win the next over in Europe. he seems to be one of the better ones we have, almost winning Medinah then winning Hazeltine.

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I think a lot of people respect his game, but I'd be willing to bet the majority in pro golf don't respect him as a person. And then add in the fact I think he'd be a 100% buddy ball type of captain I wouldn't expect much leadership out of him. .......just my 2 cents

not to mention he's sucked at ryder cups and doesn't have much to hang his hat on in regards to previous success

Agree. Going into this past weekend, I was pretty upbeat about Tiger as captain in 2025. Sitting here today, I'm not sure.

Like others have pointed out, we won the 2019 Presidents Cup with Tiger as playing captain, but we were very fortunate to flip a few team matches on 18 to keep us in it the first few days. Els totally out-gameplanned us that weekend and came very close to leading his team (with clearly inferior talent) to victory.

If Tiger has to be a captain, I'd rather him be a home captain than an away captain. We have many more avenues to victory at home than on the road. So if Tiger wants to focus on TGR ventures, Charlie's junior golf schedule, and whatever else he does these days, then roll out our best 12 for the Ryder Cup without putting much thought into it... there's a good chance we'll win anyway.

Also, I'm much more confident in Tiger's ability to lead as a home favorite than a guy who can rally the troops after losing a session 4-0 in Europe.

Like another poster before said, it's really all about 2027 now. That's not to say that 2025 is going to be a cakewalk. The Euros remember what happened last time in America and they'll be extra hungry and motivated to shut up the NYC fans. But we have more paths to victory in 2025 and there's less risk of a captain "screwing it up".

With 2027 mind, my preference would be to use 2025 as a test run. A few things I'm looking for out of USA leadership:

1) A captain that is willing to solely focus on being the Ryder Cup captain for at least the year leading up. No motivation to try and qualify for their own team. No huge extracurricular activities.

2) I don't think Tiger fits criteria 1. I honestly don't really care who is. If it's DL3 again, fine. I just want someone who's fully committed to the job of being captain.

3) People may laugh at this idea but I don't care. Make JT and Max playing assistant captains (or something along those lines). They'll be the captain's boots and ears on the ground. If you wanna play on the 2025 or 2027 team, persistently show those two how bad you want it. Then back it up.

4) Prep - Multiple trips to Bethpage and Adare Manor in the leadup to each event. Ensure the players have a tournament two weekends before each event. Make sure the team has ample adjustment time in each location (especially the 2027 one... I don't like that we go over to road RCs on the Sunday before and are jet-lagged for our practice rounds).

5) Another idea that people might laugh: Call Patrick Reed and reconcile. Tell Jordan that if he wants to makeup for his dogsh*t performance last week, that he can lead the recruitment of Reed back to the team and be his partner again. Reed is another heart and soul guy that we really need in addition to Max and JT.

6) Figure SOMETHING out with the PGA of America. Apply public pressure and do it during the off-year (2024). They're a cancer to the event now. They either need to scale back on the $$ they're making off the event or share more with the players. It's past time to reach an agreement. And this can't keep coming up over and over again.

This year's team missed the fire in the belly of Patrick Reed

EliteElectric said:

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This year's team missed the fire in the belly of Patrick Reed

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Yea. Not sure how big of a difference he would have made. He wasn't exactly stellar in France a few years ago.

But one thing is for damned sure: he would have shown up on No. 1 tee Friday morning ready to ball.

EliteElectric said:

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This year's team missed the fire in the belly of Patrick Reed

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Nah but Keegan would have worked.

AgOutsideAustin said:

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EliteElectric said:

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This year's team missed the fire in the belly of Patrick Reed

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Nah but Keegan would have worked.

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or Cam, or a lot of players besides JT, Burns and any other pets they brought along

yeah good luck finding an American captain who hasn't sucked at the Ryder Cup and who isn't 70 years old.

and after listening to several podcasts about this I'm firmly in the camp of go with data, forget buddies if they aren't a fit for the course. We're pairing you with this guy because every stat says you will play to each others strengths and weaknesses. Sorry Scottie and Sam but you just don't work.

EliteElectric said:

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EliteElectric said:

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This year's team missed the fire in the belly of Patrick Reed

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Nah but Keegan would have worked.

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or Cam, or a lot of players besides JT, Burns and any other pets they brought along

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The buddy system did not work, Burns is the most glaring example.

Needed SG Off Tee / Approach and Putters. Lucas Glover fit that bill. Would he have performed in that arena? No way to know, but he was sure in better form than Burns.

The Captain's picks have to be used on players that are hot that summer leading up to the RC.

Bradley and Glover fit that bill, Young did not. JMO.

ZJ was out prepared and out thought by Luke Donald at every turn. The foursomes pairings are the most glaring examples. And USA stars did not shine, Euro stars shined brightly.

Most disappointed in Harman and Clark.

Fowler's record in the RC is atrocious.

Waited two years - thinking we had turned it around only to wake up to "Ground Hog Day".