One thing we can all agree on...

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Kooch 3:16
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Barry ****ing Obama...
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President Barack Obama on Thursday criticized a pending Arizona law that would make it a state crime to be in the United States illegally and require anyone suspected of being an illegal immigrant to produce identification.

During remarks at a naturalization ceremony for members of the military, Obama called the legislation "misguided" and warned that it could "threaten to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans."



Ellis Wyatt
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Yes, Barry. It's unfair to pass a new law to enforce the law that the federal government and cities refuse to enforce.

**** you.
Nonhostile Sip
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seriously. "it's unfair to to make illegal immigrants... illegal."
Some Junkie Cosmonaut
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he's going to need those fine folks in 2012.

to second ellis' thoughts...**** you, barry.
Kooch 3:16
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Hell yeah! **** you Barry! Rock on Jan!!!

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Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a new state immigration bill that President Barack Obama called "misguided" hours earlier.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36735281/ns/politics/
Samsill98
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One thing we can all agree on...


speak for yourself.
Happy Kuykendahl
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Please feel free to make your point, rather than just blindly fall in line with your leftish brainwashing.
99 Luftballoons Ag
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I'm just curious to here what other libertarians think about this law. I think this law would not be necessary if the fed gov would adhere to principles of liberty.
99 Luftballoons Ag
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Edit: make that "hear".
SmoothRuckus
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So they should be able to ask every hispanic they see for ID, and would be able to take them in if they do not have it?

I dont think that would fly with yall if you were a little more brown.
coscaggie
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**** that muslim
Daveintx
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Where's the fairness in us having to pay for the illegals health care and everything else O?
c-jags
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What's the liberty that is being violated?

illegal is illegal is illegal.
c-jags
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What's the liberty that is being violated?

Asking every hispanic to produce ID? yes that's violating a liberty i think. but i think he's speaking against actually prosecuting illegals when we find them. and that's foolish.

illegal is illegal is illegal.
Kooch 3:16
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"It's going to change our lives," said Emilio Almodovar, a 13-year-old American citizen from Phoenix. "We can't walk to school any more. We can't be in the streets anymore without the pigs thinking we're illegal immigrants."


Awesome attitude.
redraiderzuke
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Dear Obama,

We were not aware that asking people to immigrate legally like the United States has done for over 100 years was "unfair" to the people who choose not to work hard to become our citizens. We are truly sorry. It was our mistake to think that while we have a completely legal way to immigrate into our country that it's totally "unfair" to ask that they use our method of immigration. After all, since they're here illegally, shouldn't illegal immigrants have the same rights as the rest of us who were either born here or immigrated legally?

We can understand why you're sympathetic to our illegals though. Just like the illegal aliens living in our country, since you refuse to show your birth certificate to the public and since we can't find your birth certificate in public record we have to assume you're from another country as well. We know that with the terrible burden of being President of the United States it must be difficult to go through the immigration process to become a legal citizen.

Hugs and free health care for everyone!

xoxo,
The Public

[This message has been edited by redraiderzuke (edited 4/24/2010 11:21a).]
el aggie
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So you're afraid Obama is going to turn the USA into a socialist dictatorship, but have no problem with a law that will literally bring "Papers, please" to America?
TooCold
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If the Arizoa law is unconstitutional, then that is something the jusidiciary will decide. Personally, I don't think that there is anything wrong with providing more tools for law enforcement to check for illegal immigrants. Just because Obama doesn't like, doesn't mean that the states can't try it. He is not the great and powerful leader that can look down from his bully pulpit and take away a state's right to make laws and enforce them. If he really cared so much, he would do more on the federal level to end the tide of illegal immigrants crossing the border, instead of sitting back and criticizing when a border state actually tries to do something that the fed should be doing already. Legally, he probably has a point, but it is his attitude that pisses me off.
HeyMoe
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I have no problem being asked to show "papers please" (in this case a DL) and frankly I'm deeply suspicious of most people who do have a problem with it. I'm sure there are some who have a principled argument against it, but I think most just want to make it easier for illegals to avoid apprehension.

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut
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seriously, does this ass clown have a clue what is going on right now just south of our border and what type of people might be passing through?
owenfieldreams
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It is my understanding that the Arizona Dept. of Public Safety will begin issuing armbands for all Arizona citizens to wear if they are of Hispanic heritage. With an Hispanic population of around 37%, monitoring the armband program will cost the state hundreds of millions of dollars but no worries, it'll be worth it to simply purge the state of those with brown skin, thereby expanding the Sedona culture from border to border. Looks like Bill Richardson won't be going to Arizona anytime soon.
Original Toad Boy
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f mexis and barry
HeyMoe
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Hispanic Americans

Legal immigrants from Mexico


Illegals from Mexico

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Dwayne Hoover
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Funny, the one's who think that Obama's a fascist are the same ones in favor of making the US Mexifrei.
Dwayne Hoover
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I have no problem being asked to show "papers please" (in this case a DL) and frankly I'm deeply suspicious of most people who do have a problem with it.


You'd have a problem with it if it happened to you on a regular basis.

I personally think that I wouldn't want to live in a society where a cop could demand me to produce an ID without any reason. I don't take my wallet with me when I run, and aren't going to start.
el aggie
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I have no problem with holding illegal immigrants responsible, but tell me with a straight face how this doesn't lead to racial profiling? Do you think they're going to check in on Steve Nash to make sure his green card is current?
nomad2007
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It will likely be ruled unconstitutional actually by lower courts, not sure about making it to the supreme court. That would only be based off the fact that any attempt to define what an illegal immigrant "looks like" would undoubtedly be flawed. Being illegal is what someone is, not what someone looks like. It would, obviously, revolve around racial profiling as a violation of civil rights.
HeyMoe
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You'd have a problem with it if it happened to you on a regular basis.


It already does. I have to show ID if I write a check, enter a courthouse, board an airplane and sometimes when I use my credit card. No biggie.

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nomad2007
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It already does. I have to show ID if I write a check, enter a courthouse, board an airplane and sometimes when I use my credit card. No biggie.


Add walking down the street, driving to work, buying a coke from a vending machine, mowing your own lawn, walking your dog, and playing with your kids at the playground...all because of how you look. This is the essential argument.
HeyMoe
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I think that's exaggerating things.

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nomad2007
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No doubt, but it certainly has the potential of opening it up to such an extreme level if worse came to worse.
John Galt 04
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All of you crying 'racist' and 'racial profiling', take off your blinders!!! Have you ever heard the quote "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, it must be a duck." This will not lead to 'racial profiling', it will simply lead to 'profiling'.

FACT: Most of the illegal immigrants in Arizona and throughout the south are of Mexican or some other Hispanic ethnicity. Go ahead, scream racism all you want, but this is a FACT. If you don't agree, provide something that proves me wrong.

So with this fact in mind, who do you think should be the focus of an illegal immigration crackdown?

To put it to you another way, who is known to try and highjack commercial airplanes and fly them into buildings, based on events in the not-to-distant past? If you guessed Muslim extremists, you're right! So in trying to vamp up airport security (which we did) to assure that this doesn't happen again (which it hasn't), who should those placed in charge of airline security place the most attention upon? Should they wast time any EXTRA resources making sure that the 80 year old white lady with the wheelchair doesn't have an explosive device shoved up her ass? Of course not; they should focus on those that FIT THE PROFILE! The fact that those who fit the profile are of a particular race has nothing to do with it; the fact that they do in fact fit the profile of someone who has blown up a plane in the past has EVERYTHING to do with it!

We seem to get so caught up in the political correctness of it all that we lose site of the issue here: immigration law enforcement. If someone is in this country legally, they should have no problem proving it; Mexican American or otherwise! The fact of the matter is that most illegal immigrants are in fact of Hispanic origin; therefore, one of the major characteristics, if you were making a 'profile' of the typical illegal immigrant, would be that they are Hispanic. Why is it so difficult that for most people to grasp this?!?
nomad2007
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The fact of the matter is that most illegal immigrants are in fact of Hispanic origin; therefore, one of the major characteristics, if you were making a 'profile' of the typical illegal immigrant, would be that they are Hispanic. Why is it so difficult that for most people to grasp this?!?


It don't see why it's so difficult to grasp that if you, a legal citizen, were getting hassled for ID in completely innocuous situations you would more than likely feel differently about it.
John Galt 04
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It don't see why it's so difficult to grasp that if you, a legal citizen, were getting hassled for ID in completely innocuous situations you would more than likely feel differently about it.


Ever go through a Border Patrol checkpoint? I grew up in south Texas and going through them was a common occurence. I would say simply driving down the highway to get from point A to point B was a pretty 'innocuous situation'. I never had a problem answering their questions to prove that I LEGALLY belonged in this country...

So in response to your statement if I, a legal citizen, a legal citizen, were getting hassled for ID in completely innocuous situations (see above, I have) I would NOT feel differently about it...
nomad2007
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Driving from one country into another isn't exactly an innocuous situation. Driving from your home to your work in the same town is.
 
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