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El_duderino
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I'm looking for it to go down at least to that $240-$250 bottom. You see even worse than that? I agree and people don't want to spend their hard earned money on a ****ty fast food burger that's way overpriced. McDonald's just don't have the traffic they used to when I drive by them these days.

I would say SBUX fills that gap down at $72 as well while we're on the topic of overpriced garbage.
Heineken-Ashi
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El_duderino said:

I'm looking for it to go down at least to that $240-$250 bottom. You see even worse than that? I agree and people don't want to spend their hard earned money on a ****ty fast food burger that's way overpriced. McDonald's just don't have the traffic they used to when I drive by them these days.

I would say SBUX fills that gap down at $72 as well while we're on the topic of overpriced garbage.
Assuming it has topped, the preceding pattern from the COVID low could only have filled out as a diagonal. And the rule of thumb for ending diagonals is that they almost always retrace to the point they started and faster than it took them to complete. Because of that, I'm not sure I'd be a buyer any time in the next couple of years with the potential to re-test the COVID low, except for extremely oversold conditions with defined stop and target levels on reversal plays. Like I said, I'm staying away. And I do not believe this will be the last major company to find a catalyst to start a significant drop. Of course, like always, I could very well be wrong. I am often.
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Especially with the new report of E. coli with a death and lots of sick people….
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El_duderino
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QCOM down over 5% already.
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Eliminatus said:

Curious as to how yall approach illness outbreaks in the food sector. McDonald's just had an E.Coli outbreak news drop and dropped nearly 10% extended hours. Haven't paid attention to these events in the past and Google is not being helpful. Do drops like this keep going downward for a ways historically for more than 24 hours or is it just a panic spike that corrects quickly?

ETA: Just read the blurbs and appears to be pretty serious.
https://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/outbreaks/investigation-update-e-coli-o157-2024.html


Quote:

As of October 22, 49 people infected with the outbreak strain of E. coli O157:H7 have been reported from 10 states. Illnesses started on dates ranging from Sept 27, 2024, to October 11, 2024. Of 28 people with information available, 10 have been hospitalized, and 1 person developed hemolytic uremic syndrome, a serious condition that can cause kidney failure. One death has been reported from an older adult in Colorado. This is not the same person with HUS.

The true number of sick people in this outbreak is likely much higher than the number reported, and the outbreak may not be limited to the states with known illnesses. This is because many people recover without medical care and are not tested for E. coli. In addition, recent illnesses may not yet be reported as it usually takes 3 to 4 weeks to determine if a sick person is part of an outbreak.

Trump works at McDonald's for an hour and days later there's an E.Coli outbreak?! Not to start a conspiracy here, but the timing is.....curious.
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Eliminatus said:

Curious as to how yall approach illness outbreaks in the food sector. McDonald's just had an E.Coli outbreak news drop and dropped nearly 10% extended hours. Haven't paid attention to these events in the past and Google is not being helpful. Do drops like this keep going downward for a ways historically for more than 24 hours or is it just a panic spike that corrects quickly?


obvs gonna depend on the uncovered severity/containment/response by my first thoughts were CrowdStrike

-but oops just saw someone beat me to it

though thinking more depending on the impact to public sentiment there's much more accessible alternatives and divert-ability in burgers than cybersecurity, how many of you would still opt for going to McDonalds over the myriad of other burger spots over the next few wks?
Heineken-Ashi
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QCOM - Fractal pattern analysis

Since 2002, when this thing makes a marginal higher high (this is log mode, so it might actually be a significant new high in linear mode), but then sells off and breaks through supports, and is then followed with a small choppy consolidation / build up, you can go back to the last high before the one it dropped from to find a pretty reliable target level for the very next move.



Not shown is a trendline analysis I did. I drew a line from the bottom of each move that led to the top it sold off from, and then a parallel line from the bottom it formed after, and every single time it hit the target above or at the trendline. So zoomed in, here's our price and timing for target.



It's pointing to the week of Dec 2nd. Funny enough, my personal system has almost the exact same price and timing for upside target.

Doesn't look like there's any expirations between Dec 2 and 20th. Here's the chain.



I'm not sure about paying $11 for a $175 call that wouldn't even pay 2:1 on expiration date. Of course, we expect it to happen before expiration so there should be some premium built in based on theta (time) and volatility. Still, my strategy for options is to plan the move as if it happens on expiration. And I just don't like the R/R on these when I can buy $100 shares with a stop and potentially make $2k.

There is a weekly available Nov 29th that shaves $1-$2 off the same strike, and has $180's in the low $7's, with the $193 target giving us just under a 2:1 return.



So you can either buy shares using $166 as a stop targeting $193, or "as of right now" you can buy $180 Nov 29 calls for mid $7's with contract price target of $13-$14.

Caveat - after hours news released that ARM is cancelling QCOM's chip design license, a 60-day notice. They have been in a legal battle because ARM sued QCOM in 2022 saying QCOM failed to negotiate a new license after it acquired a new company, Nuvia, founded by Apple chip engineers. December is when they meet in court.

Yall know I don't much care for news and that I don't apply cause and effect to it. But it's worth noting for anyone interested in this play. If you do decide to do options, my advice would be to size accordingly to manage risk. That's hard to do on expensive options like this. I don't have stops when I buy options. The premium I pay is my risk management.. I'm willing to lose it all and I choose the amount of contracts based on my risk tolerance. Thus, I cannot advise on options stop levels, so if that's something you need, you are on your own.

I will be watching QCOM closely tomorrow and the rest of the week to see how it responds to the news. Hopefully the option pricing comes down a bit and it holds support above that $166 stop, giving us much better parameters.
Heineken-Ashi
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aggies4life said:


Did not see this before I posted. Let's see what happens.
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Heineken-Ashi said:

South Platte said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

atmag95 said:

Is it too late to get into SLV?

No, but it's at the point where gentlemen's entries might not happen. I'd stick to ATM or $1-$2 OTM 2-3 month out expirations and look to get risk free as quick as possible and let the rest ride. Can't recommend buying this very instant, but can't say for certain you will get much of a retrace. Best I can hope for is to draw a trendline from 2020 top to this years May top and use a retrace from current spot to that line as an entry point.
What are your thoughts on the other metal ETF's?
GLD broke out earlier this year and gold has been in the overlapping pattern typical of the back half of a major run. SLV had a long way to catch up and serious outperformance was expected.

I have COPX but it has some work to do.

I have PLTM and it also has a lot of work to do.

Uranium has been hot and I haven;t studied the charts enough to have a great feel on what's next. It seems to always look like it needs a significant retrace that doesn't come.

WWR is set up nicely to get to 90..








cents. Maybe in a year.
Appreciate it. Made money off of palladium and gold. Still hold platinum and SLV. Should have averaged down on PLTM but my initial bite was too big.
Heineken-Ashi
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I think a better sentiment study is for me to go poll the rent restricted apartments across from the McD's near my neighborhood.
El_duderino
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Anyone know SMCI earnings date? I'm seeing anywhere from 10/28 to 11/6.
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Fidelity shows 10/30
El_duderino
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Nobody agrees then. I'd expect an announcement from SMCI themselves today or tomorrow as it's generally 2 weeks ahead of earnings
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This would be great for those of us in WWR

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/lithium-source-arkansas-world-demand-nine-times-over/91-e08372de-a709-490d-8c0b-ad9cd076e089?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR23nnTJGUXpSurvDxBiLyccJqdXr6qUh1mgIvdyAZTjpbRVftx7ahGAj-k_aem_E_mqWvvAXawzMQzy4gMqAA
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I'm guessing I should have cut ENPH by now, but anyone else still in? I think a few of yall were in with stops in place
Heineken-Ashi
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Started position on QCOM Nov 29 $175 calls for $7.95. Risky at this point. Keep sizing small if you follow.
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idAg09 said:

I'm guessing I should have cut ENPH by now, but anyone else still in? I think a few of yall were in with stops in place
I'm still in with basis of $94. Yeah I was playing it as more of a short term trade but forgot my stops. EliteZags seems to like this one. Thoughts on the fundamentals on this one for a LTH?
Chef Elko
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We hit the previous low around $76 and filled the gap from 11/13/23, so if you've held this long I would keep holding.
Brian Earl Spilner
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TOS and Yahoo both show 10/30 for SMCI as well.
Heineken-Ashi
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Maybe SMCI will have a delay in its earnings
El_duderino
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****ing hope not. I got some 11/15 expiries
Heineken-Ashi
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POWL entered an early bearish stage meaning it confirmed on hourly. It's close to engaging on 4hr. If it confirms on all timeframes, I've got $235 as next support, then $218, then $210. If it can hold $218, I'm looking for $330 next. Below $210 but holding $175 and things get trickier with anything between $300 and $330 being possible, but not completely reliable.
El_duderino
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POWL getting knocked down. Will look to start adding shares around the $220 level
Brian Earl Spilner
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El_duderino said:

POWL getting knocked down. Will look to start adding shares around the $220 level
It'll get up again. You're never gonna keep it down!
Brian Earl Spilner
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(Not financial advice.)
AgEng06
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

El_duderino said:

POWL getting knocked down. Will look to start adding shares around the $220 level
It'll get up again. You're never gonna keep it down!
I did not wake up and expect a Chumbawamba reference today.
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AgEng06 said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

El_duderino said:

POWL getting knocked down. Will look to start adding shares around the $220 level
It'll get up again. You're never gonna keep it down!
I did not wake up and expect a Chumbawamba reference today.


Bet ya already blasted it full volume now though!
fauxstradamus
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Scooping up a small volume of more SLV calls here today. Jan $32's and March $34's
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Can someone explain to me how a stock gets an option chain started?

For example, I got into NN in 2022 when it was down but there was no option to sell calls. I'm on Fidelity.

Then, once it starts going up, a monthly option chain appears.

Does it require institutional investors to have interest in the options? A certain amount of volume?

Just curious on how all of that works, if it's brokerage specific, if you have to be a certain level of investor on your account, etc.
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ProgN said:

El_duderino said:



I believe this is what's being referenced. Just a small clip from the interview
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2024/10/22/legendary-investor-paul-tudor-jones-i-am-clearly-not-going-to-own-any-fixed-income.html

ETA: PT 2

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2024/10/22/paul-tudor-jones-we-are-going-to-be-broke-really-quickly-unless-we-get-serious-about-our-spending.html

Here's another link

This interview is a must see

I watched both clips. Liked his perspective but gave a question. Mr Jones said he is long on gold, Bitcoin, and equities. He also does not want anything in a term investment such as CD or bonds.

The question is this thread has warned over and over that equities are overvalued and will have a major correction soon. Why would he he still be long on stocks?

If/when the market has that major correction, why would he not want to be in a treasury bond?
MasonRamsay
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Long gold, btc, equities = inflation trade

Yes, equities are overvalued currently. However, the stock market truly only follows 1 thing; liquidity

The gov has 2 options. Default, or print. History has told us time and time again they will always go with option 2. More liquidity. Gold, btc, equities are an inflation hedge, even with the current overvaluation.

Brian Earl Spilner
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Jumped back in on TNA at 42.95. Target 47.
Heineken-Ashi
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aggieband 83 said:

ProgN said:

El_duderino said:



I believe this is what's being referenced. Just a small clip from the interview
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2024/10/22/legendary-investor-paul-tudor-jones-i-am-clearly-not-going-to-own-any-fixed-income.html

ETA: PT 2

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2024/10/22/paul-tudor-jones-we-are-going-to-be-broke-really-quickly-unless-we-get-serious-about-our-spending.html

Here's another link

This interview is a must see

I watched both clips. Liked his perspective but gave a question. Mr Jones said he is long on gold, Bitcoin, and equities. He also does not want anything in a term investment such as CD or bonds.

The question is this thread has warned over and over that equities are overvalued and will have a major correction soon. Why would he he still be long on stocks?

If/when the market has that major correction, why would he not want to be in a treasury bond?
First, I will try to answer from his POV. But you have to understand that even the smartest and best are wrong often. Michael Burry made a fortune off the GFC and has been wrong more than right since then. Also, people like this have a different risk tolerance than you. They can't have billions of dollars invested in something that is facing headwinds like bonds are.

One of the smartest people I follow is Lyn Alden. She's been steady in her belief that we are entering a paradigm that combines fiscal dominance with monetary weakness. In other words, the government is heavy in borrowing and spending while the FED is attempting to manage inflation. One side is creating inflation while the other side is attempting to reduce it. Neither can win, because neither can afford to change direction. If the government stops spending and borrowing, the whole thing comes crashing down, because our entire GDP is based on government spending using borrowed money (treasury issuance mainly) and deficits to keep the government and economy afloat. And the FED is looking more and more likely that they can't can't cut much more aggressively, as they would be loosening monetary conditions into an already historically loose fiscal situation, which would undoubtedly explode inflation. And we saw in 2022 that the FED is willing to let inflation eat our economy, as long as its in a manageable enough range for the middles class to not throw a fit. Once the middle class starts to notice their way of life changing, the political and economic implications become paramount and the FED has to pivot. And where the FED is at now is already teetering on the edge. If they loosen too much more, inflation is going to absolutely moonshot and they are going to have to go 1970's to combat it.

So all of this to say, the fiscal side is stimulatory to stocks. The monetary side is currently neutral which isn't hurting stocks, but could be insanely stimulatory should the FED continue to loosen. And inflation is stubborn and not falling any lower BECAUSE the FED has stopped being aggressive against it at a time when the fiscal side is maintaining at a steady, if not growing, loose path.

So I can see why someone seeing that fundamental picture would want to be in stocks. From a top down POV, there's no way stocks drop unless the FED goes hawkish again or the government stops spending.

For bonds, if the FED keeps rates steady, but the government keeps spending and keeps having to constantly issue new treasuries, you have constant new supply of bonds hitting the market. A consistent demand for bonds will lead to a steady lowering in bond prices and steady increase in bond yields. People don't like to buy bonds and watch their value go down as buyers that come after them get better rates than they do.

And from a gold perspective, sticky inflation with loosening fiscal conditions generally means gold rising against the value of the dollar, especially with the FED no longer tightening.

None of what I said above is "my outlook" on the economy or markets. It's merely attempting to explain the backdrop that is currently in existence and how it leads to someone like him forming his viewpoint.
Heineken-Ashi
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Just added Nov and Dec SLV $31's. Higher risk, especially if silver moves below $30. But we could see $35 by election. And I'm firmly in the green even if all open options expire worthless, so I'm putting some profits to work with the assumption that today was short term drawback. Those of you who asked if it was too late to get in SLV. This is your chance. But understand that there is absolutely no guarantee and any money you spend is at risk. I do not have stops on options, so don't ask me if you should sell should this move lower. Apply your own risk management on the entry.
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