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Boy Named Sue
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Take me with you
Boy Named Sue
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I'm just saying I won't risk more than $5k at a time. $400/day seems doable
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Opened June 16 puts. Glad I went net free on those Exxon options right now... woof.
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Boy Named Sue said:

I'm just saying I won't risk more than $5k at a time. $400/day seems doable
Because we're all friends, I'll just be uncharacteristically blunt:

I guess so, but I don't count on 8% a day. It's fantasy. I'm happy with more than zero and I recognize that some days are easy, some days are hard. Trading realistically is like (percentage wise on an account, -0.2%, +0.6%, +1%, -1.1%, +0.8%.

You should not focus on what you can gain, but you should focus on what you can lose. Nobody here will make it until they start thinking that way. The days I'm really happy with are not the +3% or +4% days. Sure they're great. The days I'm happy about are the ones where I was dead wrong, out of sync with the market, and was only -1%.

Trading is probabilistic betting on expected value. You must have an edge, meaning your strategy works at least 55%-60% of the time. After that it's a coin flip and your wins must at least equal your losses. Do not eat like a bird and turd like an elephant.
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you should also only risk an amount where you aren't panicking 5 seconds after putting the trade on and where you can fully accept the outcome. You should try really really hard to never lose more than 1% of your account on a trade.

It is better to lotto trade 1% on good setups than to risk 100% of your account and be in big trouble if you have a normal market move and lose 10% on an option.

3% positions with a 35% stop loss is good
2% positions with a 50% stop loss is good
1% positions with expectation of zero, also good.

4% position with 25% stop loss you will get stopped.
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$30,000 Millionaire said:

Boy Named Sue said:

I'm just saying I won't risk more than $5k at a time. $400/day seems doable
Because we're all friends, I'll just be uncharacteristically blunt:

I guess so, but I don't count on 8% a day. It's fantasy. I'm happy with more than zero and I recognize that some days are easy, some days are hard. Trading realistically is like (percentage wise on an account, -0.2%, +0.6%, +1%, -1.1%, +0.8%.

You should not focus on what you can gain, but you should focus on what you can lose. Nobody here will make it until they start thinking that way. The days I'm really happy with are not the +3% or +4% days. Sure they're great. The days I'm happy about are the ones where I was dead wrong, out of sync with the market, and was only -1%.

Trading is probabilistic betting on expected value. You must have an edge, meaning your strategy works at least 55%-60% of the time. After that it's a coin flip and your wins must at least equal your losses. Do not eat like a bird and turd like an elephant.
Listen to this man.
Boy Named Sue
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Good stuff. Thank you. I will take that advice to heart.

Ultimately, my goal is to have a large account and be content with 1% a day on average.
topher06
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No one hits 1% a day on average over the long haul. You will be taking far too risky of a position to try to chase that.
FJ43
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Looking at buying back June XOM calls here.
Wealth gained hastily will dwindle. but whoever gathers little by little will increase it.
Proverbs 13:11

FJ43
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30k bringing the trading university to the board today.
Wealth gained hastily will dwindle. but whoever gathers little by little will increase it.
Proverbs 13:11

Boy Named Sue
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Indeed. I love it
CC09LawAg
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Catching up - it sounds like you're a litigator. So maybe our brains are wired the same way....

I had the exact same plan/goals/desires you've laid out and I burnt out after having a pretty successful 6 month stint. Went up 150% to down 50% in the blink of an eye.

I am still licking my wounds from that and haven't jumped back in - but the statement about trying to make $100/week with that account size is spot on.
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Not piling on. I just like doing the math.

If you made 1% per trading day and started with $5000, you would have over $60000 in the first year (250 days).

It would take less than 5 years to be a billionaire.
Boy Named Sue
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I'm gambling, not trying to make a living at this yet. For me, just having a $/day goal is helping a lot, and that was my main point.


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Copa515 said:

Not piling on. I just like doing the math.

If you made 1% per trading day and started with $5000, you would have over $60000 in the first year (250 days).

It would take less than 5 years to be a billionaire.
Well, your math is correct but what I said was actually worse. $400/day from $5k is 8% a day!

So, how soon will I be a billionaire and who wants to sit in my suite at Kyle?
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You'll hit 1B on your 159th day. Be sure and set some aside for taxes!
Copa515
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Over 1.1 trillion in a year. lol

But I understand what you mean. I opened a small account separate from my regular account just to day trade and my goal is to average $50 a day right now.
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Lol these numbers also imply you're deploying hundreds of millions of dollars daily toward the end. If you're dropping $100M on weeklies, you're probably making/moving the market lol.
Boy Named Sue
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Copa515 said:

Over 1.1 trillion in a year. lol

But I understand what you mean. I opened a small account separate from my regular account just to day trade and my goal is to average $50 a day right now.
How do you get around Pattern Day Trader regs? Or do you have at least $25k in it?

My play account is 90% equities and 10% cash for day trading.
Copa515
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You open a cash account. Pattern day trading rules apply to margin accounts.
topher06
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This is TexAgs. Everyone has at least a billion to play around with.
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topher06 said:

This is TexAgs. Everyone has at least a billion to play around with.
You mean the change in the couch?
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4175C could be a good lotto
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Weak attempt to sell but they're not bidding either
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topher06 said:

This is TexAgs. Everyone has at least a billion to play around with.
I have $1 Billion in WWR... the other billion is used SPX 0DTE
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made a 0DTE SPX butterfly at 4165 w/ 20 pt wings
a 1st for me. the TDA simulator wouldn't accept it for some reason.
closed it after a small profit lol.
but it was good to at least learn the process.
did leave some $$ on the table tho..
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C'mon. Give me 7 points
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jimmo said:

made a 0DTE SPX butterfly at 4165 w/ 20 pt wings
a 1st for me. the TDA simulator wouldn't accept it for some reason.
closed it after a small profit lol.
but it was good to at least learn the process.
did leave some $$ on the table tho..


Congrats
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Good day overall for me.
Boy Named Sue
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Not me, I only made $365
topher06
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Gonna try an SPX put for tomorrow, I know big money
FJ43
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Boy Named Sue said:

Not me, I only made $365


You made $

Today was a win.
Wealth gained hastily will dwindle. but whoever gathers little by little will increase it.
Proverbs 13:11

Boy Named Sue
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FJ43 said:

Boy Named Sue said:

Not me, I only made $365


You made $

Today was a win.


Oh I know, I was just joking about today's conversation.
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Boy Named Sue said:

Not me, I only made $365


That's $100K a year if you do it everyday.

Seriously first thing should be what you can lose. You should also enter at points where if you're wrong, you're wrong right away.
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shooting star doji on the daily, interesting. beary interesting.
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