As a math teacher for almost 20 years, I can confirm the answer is 9, unless you are over 100 years old. Then the answer can be 1 or really whatever you want it to be because I'm not going to argue with a centenarian.
Don't you have to factor in PVFNI?slacker00 said:
It's kind of surprising to me how bad at math people are. I know in general it was bad but thought this thread might be above average. I guess the appropriate problem for this thread is this one:
https://www.insider.com/math-riddle-stumping-the-internet-2018-2
A man buys a horse for $60. He sells the horse for $70. He then buys the horse back for $80. And he sells the horse again for $90. In the end, how much money did the man make or lose? Or did he break even?
I'll feel better if people here get this one correct.
ProgN said:
UBS offers to buy Credit Suisse for up to $1 billion, the Financial Times reports
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/19/ubs-offers-to-buy-credit-suisse-for-up-to-1-billion-the-financial-times-reports.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard
ProgN said:
UBS offers to buy Credit Suisse for up to $1 billion, the Financial Times reports
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/19/ubs-offers-to-buy-credit-suisse-for-up-to-1-billion-the-financial-times-reports.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard
slacker00 said:
It's kind of surprising to me how bad at math people are. I know in general it was bad but thought this thread might be above average. I guess the appropriate problem for this thread is this one:
https://www.insider.com/math-riddle-stumping-the-internet-2018-2
A man buys a horse for $60. He sells the horse for $70. He then buys the horse back for $80. And he sells the horse again for $90. In the end, how much money did the man make or lose? Or did he break even?
I'll feel better if people here get this one correct.
Bonfire1996 said:ProgN said:
UBS offers to buy Credit Suisse for up to $1 billion, the Financial Times reports
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/19/ubs-offers-to-buy-credit-suisse-for-up-to-1-billion-the-financial-times-reports.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard
And that's the appropriate valuation. These unrealized losses hammer equity, and when you buy the assets of a company, you buy their investments and any unrealized losses associated with them.
If you overpay then you get the unrealized losses and blue sky intangible assets as well, further degrading the tangible equity already on your balance sheet.
JPow and his crew have a truly life changing moment in front of them, and the Manhattan DA gave them cover from what should have been a hellacious weekend of news.
Dan Scott said:Bonfire1996 said:ProgN said:
UBS offers to buy Credit Suisse for up to $1 billion, the Financial Times reports
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/19/ubs-offers-to-buy-credit-suisse-for-up-to-1-billion-the-financial-times-reports.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard
And that's the appropriate valuation. These unrealized losses hammer equity, and when you buy the assets of a company, you buy their investments and any unrealized losses associated with them.
If you overpay then you get the unrealized losses and blue sky intangible assets as well, further degrading the tangible equity already on your balance sheet.
JPow and his crew have a truly life changing moment in front of them, and the Manhattan DA gave them cover from what should have been a hellacious weekend of news.
So does this mean every bank right now is grossly overvalued? Credit Suisse had a market cap of $8B and sells for $1B. The price discovery could get uglier. Reports out Friday night FRC is looking to sell stock to raise capital. I haven't see any new news on that. If they can get capitals to market values it at nothing.
We need more information. Did he have a daughter that rode the horse? If so he lost a whole lot!slacker00 said:
It's kind of surprising to me how bad at math people are. I know in general it was bad but thought this thread might be above average. I guess the appropriate problem for this thread is this one:
https://www.insider.com/math-riddle-stumping-the-internet-2018-2
A man buys a horse for $60. He sells the horse for $70. He then buys the horse back for $80. And he sells the horse again for $90. In the end, how much money did the man make or lose? Or did he break even?
I'll feel better if people here get this one correct.
In a liquidity crisis? Yes. If a bank can't access liquidity without taking a 50% hit to capital, that's a major valuation problem. And the subsequent poster is correct, this is one metric, but where he and others miss the point is in this current liquidity and inflation crisis, this is the only metric that matters. Banks must have sound capital structures to access emergency liquidity, and these bond portfolios are a major problem.Dan Scott said:Bonfire1996 said:ProgN said:
UBS offers to buy Credit Suisse for up to $1 billion, the Financial Times reports
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/19/ubs-offers-to-buy-credit-suisse-for-up-to-1-billion-the-financial-times-reports.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard
And that's the appropriate valuation. These unrealized losses hammer equity, and when you buy the assets of a company, you buy their investments and any unrealized losses associated with them.
If you overpay then you get the unrealized losses and blue sky intangible assets as well, further degrading the tangible equity already on your balance sheet.
JPow and his crew have a truly life changing moment in front of them, and the Manhattan DA gave them cover from what should have been a hellacious weekend of news.
So does this mean every bank right now is grossly overvalued? Credit Suisse had a market cap of $8B and sells for $1B. The price discovery could get uglier. Reports out Friday night FRC is looking to sell stock to raise capital. I haven't see any new news on that. If they cant get capital, market values it at nothing.
Frost would have to issue new shares to raise capital with a 35% hit to equity. They trip capital ratios when that happens.cgh1999 said:
Liquidity matters. Selling bonds at a loss would still provide liquidity. Let's look at Frost. Their unrealized loss is roughly 35% of capital. If they had to realize 100% of the loss to provide liquidity it would be because deposits had flocked out of the bank. If you look at every other metric to evaluate the safety of Frost, there would be no reason to take your money out.
If they had to sell a portion of the portfolio for liquidity, their earnings power could replace the capital in a few quarters time.
Assuming we get past this without a bank run, I'm more concerned about the credit portfolio of many regional banks with broad exposure to real estate. Also concerned with banks that have leveraged loan portfolios to private equity and/or tech.
cgh1999 said:
Liquidity matters. Selling bonds at a loss would still provide liquidity. Let's look at Frost. Their unrealized loss is roughly 35% of capital. If they had to realize 100% of the loss to provide liquidity it would be because deposits had flocked out of the bank. If you look at every other metric to evaluate the safety of Frost, there would be no reason to take your money out.
If they had to sell a portion of the portfolio for liquidity, their earnings power could replace the capital in a few quarters time.
Assuming we get past this without a bank run, I'm more concerned about the credit portfolio of many regional banks with broad exposure to real estate. Also concerned with banks that have leveraged loan portfolios to private equity and/or tech.
Real estate exposure front and center for regional banks. pic.twitter.com/WkrWu4gMm5
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smstork1007 said:
What Ma or EMa's are you using for those crosses/signals? Thanks for sharing.
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