the question of sorts is when ?

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The more autopilot gets put out on the road by different manufacturers the less total accidents we'll see as small/stupid fender benders get eliminated, but the wrecks we do see will all be of the lethal variety like this. Will be interesting to see what happens to insurance prices and the legal/regulatory side of things.

As I've said before on this thread, I have zero desire to ever drive/ride in an autopilot vehicle. Not trusting my life to a coding glitch at 75 mph with cars on either side of me.

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Or you could just limit autopilot to lower speeds, where collision would have less energy, less likelihood of fatality, and more time for a human and autopilot sensors to react.

Tesla autopilot I think needs more regulation, preferably from Tesla so it cannot be enabled without a driver. Honestly I think it should limited to an advanced cruise control. Even with a driver, the driver feels a false sense of security and will become much less attentive and still have delayed reaction times if not actively driving and letting autopilot do the work.

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PWestAg18 said:

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The more autopilot gets put out on the road by different manufacturers the less total accidents we'll see as small/stupid fender benders get eliminated, but the wrecks we do see will all be of the lethal variety like this. Will be interesting to see what happens to insurance prices and the legal/regulatory side of things.

As I've said before on this thread, I have zero desire to ever drive/ride in an autopilot vehicle. Not trusting my life to a coding glitch at 75 mph with cars on either side of me.

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Or you could just limit autopilot to lower speeds, where collision would have less energy, less likelihood of fatality, and more time for a human and autopilot sensors to react.

Tesla autopilot I think needs more regulation, preferably from Tesla so it cannot be enabled without a driver. Honestly I think it should limited to an advanced cruise control. Even with a driver, the driver feels a false sense of security and will become much less attentive and still have delayed reaction times if not actively driving and letting autopilot do the work.

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While I agree with your stance on it, doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of autopilot? Why would someone have autopilot if they're required to sit there 100% alert 100% of the time just like when they were driving? A ton of people hate commuting and hate driving, they want self driving cars so that they can turn their daily commute or long road trip into productive time (work on a computer, extra sleep, read a book, etc.) just like flying.

Why pay extra for the self-driving capability that provides little to no actual benefit over doing it themselves? Tesla is eventually going to run into a regulatory wall on this after more and more of these accidents add up, and it will be interesting to see what comes of the technology because of it.

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PWestAg18 said:

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The more autopilot gets put out on the road by different manufacturers the less total accidents we'll see as small/stupid fender benders get eliminated, but the wrecks we do see will all be of the lethal variety like this. Will be interesting to see what happens to insurance prices and the legal/regulatory side of things.

As I've said before on this thread, I have zero desire to ever drive/ride in an autopilot vehicle. Not trusting my life to a coding glitch at 75 mph with cars on either side of me.

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Or you could just limit autopilot to lower speeds, where collision would have less energy, less likelihood of fatality, and more time for a human and autopilot sensors to react.

Tesla autopilot I think needs more regulation, preferably from Tesla so it cannot be enabled without a driver. Honestly I think it should limited to an advanced cruise control. Even with a driver, the driver feels a false sense of security and will become much less attentive and still have delayed reaction times if not actively driving and letting autopilot do the work.

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While I agree with your stance on it, doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of autopilot? Why would someone have autopilot if they're required to sit there 100% alert 100% of the time just like when they were driving? A ton of people hate commuting and hate driving, they want self driving cars so that they can turn their daily commute or long road trip into productive time (work on a computer, extra sleep, read a book, etc.) just like flying.

Why pay extra for the self-driving capability that provides little to no actual benefit over doing it themselves? Tesla is eventually going to run into a regulatory wall on this after more and more of these accidents add up, and it will be interesting to see what comes of the technology because of it.

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The autopilot technology isn't mature enough. I think it might be there for geo fencing with the vehicles that have more advanced sensor array than Tesla, but for highways and high speed it's not ready.

When the technology is more mature and has been proven in geofenced low speed areas, Then Im all for expanding it.

This isn't like spaceX where there is a huge restricted area to blow things up and not hurt anyone. These are public roadways with other innocent and unpredictable conditions, so as much as Musk and Tesla want to break things fast by rapid deployment, it shouldn't be done on public roads.

We're on the same page, I guess my opinion is that the Feds step in and do something about autonomous driving before Tesla (or any company for that matter) is ever able to develop a full autopilot system where you just type in an address and zone out while the car takes you there. And even if they test it beautifully on a closed course, no tech is idiot proof and someone will find a way to screw it up on a public road if it ever gets put out there.

I don't know how stuff like this happens, my dad has a model s and always signs up for the beta testing/ new release stuff, and his autopilot has always been super annoying as it requires driver input every minute or couple minutes, and if you don't it beeps at you like crazy. He says if you keep ignoring it it'll pull over and shut off. Also you can't engage autopilot unless the seatbelt is buckled. So if someone goes to great lengths to override those, can you really blame the car? The line gets pretty gray between that and bungee cording the wheel and putting a brick on the gas pedal

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I don't know how stuff like this happens, my dad has a model s and always signs up for the beta testing/ new release stuff, and his autopilot has always been super annoying as it requires driver input every minute or couple minutes, and if you don't it beeps at you like crazy. He says if you keep ignoring it it'll pull over and shut off. Also you can't engage autopilot unless the seatbelt is buckled. So if someone goes to great lengths to override those, can you really blame the car? The line gets pretty gray between that and bungee cording the wheel and putting a brick on the gas pedal

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Well, if safety features were bypassed by the driver then Tesla is off the hook, I guess we can't know without more details. If Teslas has the features you state then likely the vehicle passengers somehow bypassed them intentionally.

I'd have to imagine there'd be a pressure plate on the drivers seat for the autonomous driving

They could...I mean, I've read about cars that are supposed to have facial expression recognition software that notify you if they see you nodding off. The question becomes (legally) how many safeguards does a manufacturer have to put in place, and the customer have to willfully override, before blame gets transferred? In my opinion that number is 1.

Great post on Reddit about Clov

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/mtkyw2/clov_dd_no_bull****/

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Great post on Reddit about Clov

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/mtkyw2/clov_dd_no_bull****/

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TLDR saying CLOV to $100

little pull back this week, then to the moon!

That makes this part of the story sound made up. Firefighters shooting water on a car that everyone over 6 years old knows is electric?

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That makes this sound made up. Firefighters shooting water on a car that everyone over 6 years old knows is electric?

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I think the batteries can explode. Some airlines won't allow them in their cargo area, iirc.

I get that and I get wanting to ask the manufacturer specific information when fighting a fire, but hosing down the electric fire with thousands of gallons of water as the first response sounds ridiculous.

The CFO and President selling 100% of their shares? Doesn't scream confidence from management.

Tomas Hermensa said:

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I get that and I get wanting to ask the manufacturer specific information when fighting a fire, but hosing down the electric fire with thousands of gallons of water as the first response sounds ridiculous.

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Agreed, but I'm not sure all FDs have that foam fire ******ant stuff for electrical fires on their trucks.

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Tomas Hermensa said:

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I get that and I get wanting to ask the manufacturer specific information when fighting a fire, but hosing down the electric fire with thousands of gallons of water as the first response sounds ridiculous.

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Agreed, but I'm not sure all FDs have that foam fire ******ant stuff for electrical fires on their trucks.

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A lot of that foam is pretty gnarly too from an environmental contamination standpoint.

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Prognightmare said:

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Tomas Hermensa said:

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I get that and I get wanting to ask the manufacturer specific information when fighting a fire, but hosing down the electric fire with thousands of gallons of water as the first response sounds ridiculous.

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Agreed, but I'm not sure all FDs have that foam fire ******ant stuff for electrical fires on their trucks.

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A lot of that foam is pretty gnarly too from an environmental contamination standpoint.

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a couple 4 cleanguard fire extinguishers on truck is probably pretty important these days with electrically powerd vehicles on the road.

Do fire departments not have class C extinguishers on hand or the equivalent of the common household ABC (dry chemical)?? This is also fire fighting school 101 (putting out electrical fires).

This story might actually sense if they didn't even realize it was an electric vehicle and were trying water first, but it was an un-manned tesla.

So pretty uneventful options expiry week for me coming up - except for these PLUG 40 Puts I've been rolling forever....

If I had cash I would buy every share of PLUG I could at 23. But I don't.

I guess I'll try to find an uptick and roll into May or August.

I have 500 sh of CLOV, cost averaged at $14. Does it make sense to ditch it for CLOVW? I don't know much about how warrant works but I was thinking it might free up capital and I'm willing to hold long term until it turns around.

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Do fire departments not have class C extinguishers on hand or the equivalent of the common household ABC (dry chemical)?? This is also fire fighting school 101 (putting out electrical fires).

This story might actually sense if they didn't even realize it was an electric vehicle and were trying water first, but it was an un-manned tesla.

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I honestly don't have any idea. I was just speculating why water was used.

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Anybody own COIN? Thoughts?

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Not a great sign when insiders dump damn near everything at IPO.

The tweet was deleted, but here it is. Not sure if it's true

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It was a direct listing instead of an IPO. If the "insiders" weren't selling shares, there would be no market. I still wouldn't buy here, but the insider selling claim doesn't really have merit here.

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The insider selling certainly has merit. There are 186M shares outstanding. The insiders did not sell a few million to create a market. They sold to cash in while the stock is hyped up.

The fire department was following Tesla's own firefighting guidelines:



https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Model_3_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf

This is a really bad look for the company. I know people are speculating that AP/FSD wasn't turned on, but what is the alternative if nobody was in the driver seat? The passengers switched seats trying to escape, were unable to, and burned alive? The automatic safety braking failed (which might not had if they used lifts)?

Elon's unpaid Twitter PR department is working overtime on this one unsuccessfully.

DeLaHonta said:

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The fire department was following Tesla's own firefighting guidelines:



https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Model_3_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf

This is a really bad look for the company. I know people are speculating that AP/FSD wasn't turned on, but what is the alternative if nobody was in the driver seat? The passengers switched seats trying to escape, were unable to, and burned alive? The automatic safety braking failed (which might not had if they used lifts)?

Elon's unpaid Twitter PR department is working overtime on this one unsuccessfully.

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So are we shorting TSLA at open? 4/23 700p?