Only up 7.5 now, trending down from earlier this AM
As long as you are carrying a balance under $25K in the account you are trading out of, you can be restricted from doing more than three (I think) day trades.foleyt said:
I think I was confused about the PDT rule and lost quite a bit of value by holding overnight trying not to execute day trades. With a cash account there is no PDT restriction, right?
Really interesting. I guess that means holding strong names through earnings as well. Cut TWLO yesterday prior to earnings as I wanted to lock in profit, but regretting that decision this morning.claym711 said:
Found some interesting stats the other day.
Since 2009 >80% of the net benefit from bull market occurred during after hours. That holds out going back as far as the 1990s.
If you went long at start of day, closed at end of day, you would have lost money from 2009 to present.
If you went short at start of day, closed at end of day, you would have made money from 2009 to present.
Something to keep in mind as it looks like we might be setting up for another 2017 style bull leg, where much of the benefit came during AH.
I'm actually looking forward to the 2020 elections...Rice and Fries said:
U.S. Private Sector Surpasses Expectations, Adding 275,000 Jobs in April.
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The Pattern Day Trading rule regulates the use of margin and is defined only for margin accounts. Cash accounts, by definition, do not borrow on margin, so day trading is subject to separate rules regarding Cash Accounts. Cash account holders may still engage in certain day trades, as long as the activity does not result in free riding, which is the sale of securities bought with unsettled funds.
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Day trades can occur in a cash account only to the extent the trades do not violate the free-riding prohibition of Federal Reserve Board's Regulation T. In general, failing to pay for a security before you sell the security in a cash account violates the free-riding prohibition.
The reason why I switched to a margin account was cause it takes "3 days" for funds to settle and I was tired of getting pinged for Good Faith Violations when I traded with unsettled funds.foleyt said:
That's what I thought the rule was too.
But I just reached out to tastyworks and they confirmed only margin accounts are subject to the PDT rule. Here are a couple other sources.Quote:
The Pattern Day Trading rule regulates the use of margin and is defined only for margin accounts. Cash accounts, by definition, do not borrow on margin, so day trading is subject to separate rules regarding Cash Accounts. Cash account holders may still engage in certain day trades, as long as the activity does not result in free riding, which is the sale of securities bought with unsettled funds.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_day_traderQuote:
Day trades can occur in a cash account only to the extent the trades do not violate the free-riding prohibition of Federal Reserve Board's Regulation T. In general, failing to pay for a security before you sell the security in a cash account violates the free-riding prohibition.
https://www.finra.org/investors/day-trading-margin-requirements-know-rules
Irish, what you thinking on these RTN's? I just sold 2 out of my 5 to get to net free....and she just keeps going up.IrishTxAggie said:
228 open interests on the $177.5 RTN weeklys Who is still holding?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/raytheon-wins-419-million-u-211951713.htmlIrishTxAggie said:
Ha! Nice timing. I did the same. Just going to watch it a bit and see what happens. Everything is gravy now
looks like it filled a gap yesterdaycgh1999 said:
Teum up another 5%!
My heart nearly dropped when I refreshed to see I was underwater on my RTN's and saw the 0.82 bid....cheap ****ers.dlp3719 said:
Just so you guys are aware I just watched RTN 5/3 177.50 Calls have a bid of $0.82 and an ask of $2.30+ per contract. Intrinsic value is over $2.
I hope you guys know not to place "market orders". On thinly traded instruments like this, when several of us are selling, you have to be careful to make sure the buyers our there. Basically there were no buyers for a bit so someone was trying to snipe some contracts way under fair value.
You need to be placing limit orders if at all possible otherwise you risk really getting hosed.