Man Degrom really showed up tonight to be the team leader they need………..

dtownAg14 said:

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This team needs to be sellers at the trade deadline. It's clear over the last two years this team is going absolutely no where the way this roster is constructed.

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The Tigers just screwed over all the sellers. There's literally no point in selling if Skubal could only fetch what the Dodgers offered.

Definitely think a 2027 lockout is coming now.

Seems like it's an unwritten rule in MLB that all front offices must bend the knee to the dodgers at the trade deadline. We definitely did when we traded a solid #2 starter to them and didn't get jack in return.

This team lost its mojo at the all star break and ever since the break we look like one of the worst teams in the league.

Another week of this malaise and it's probably time to move on to football season.

Skubal is a rental, but the return does seem lighter than you would have thought. Interesting that they went with the older prospect in River Ryan that can't stay healthy.

Tigers likely to also trade Mize now also.

Dave raymond sucks ass btw. His intro he called tonight the " last game of the season between the Rangers and Astros ".

I think the ownership is just too lazy to find a good replacement.

Skubal will be a Dodger... **surprise*

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2026/08/dodgers-to-acquire-tarik-skubal.html

Dodgers have one of the deepest farm systems.

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Detroit will receive right-hander River Ryan, outfielder Zyhir Hope, and righty Brady Smith, adds Passan.

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Hope = #5 Dodgers prospect, #25 Overall
Rivers = #7 LAD, #68 overall
Smith = #17 LAD prospect

LAD have/had 9 of the T100 MLB prospects, per MLB Pipeline

Our T2 = Walcott #10 and Scarborough #62 Overall

ALRussell is our #3 and Skubal would have certain required that.

Is it possible for the Dodgers to NOT win the WS?

Yamamoto is #6 (2.76) in NL ERA and Wrobleski is #8 (2.88). Skubal has a 3.07 ERA
which would be 9th in the AL, but he only has 96.1 IP.

As much as I think the Dodgers are an issue in baseball for things like the way they pay Ohtani, Kyle Tucker etc. This trade is also a major indictment on the Brewers, Yankees, Rays, Braves and even Tigers. The Tigers for not paying Skubal at all, but the others for not stepping up to the plate to match that paltry offer from the Dodgers. How bad do we really want to win when the best pitcher in baseball over the last 3 years can be had for Hope (literally and figuratively), a future bullpen arm and a lotto ticket. And that's considering the Dodgers prospects are overrated by the league historically. Unbelievable. This sport needs so much help.

What frustrates me more than anything isn't the fact that they have those prospects, it's that they are so good at goaltending those prospects in trades.

Seems like they manage to somehow acquire better talent than we do in years that we are both buyers at the trade deadline and they pay significantly less than we do for that superior talent.

This Skubal trade tells me that the rangers should have no problems getting the pieces they need with minimal prospect

Tksymm7 said:

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As much as I think the Dodgers are an issue in baseball for things like the way they pay Ohtani, Kyle Tucker etc. This trade is also a major indictment on the Brewers, Yankees, Rays, Braves and even Tigers. The Tigers for not paying Skubal at all, but the others for not stepping up to the plate to match that paltry offer from the Dodgers. How bad do we really want to win when the best pitcher in baseball over the last 3 years can be had for Hope (literally and figuratively), a future bullpen arm and a lotto ticket. And that's considering the Dodgers prospects are overrated by the league historically. Unbelievable. This sport needs so much help.

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I agree with this. How bad do the Brewers really want to win if the cost of Skubal was essentially one top 30 prospect and filler. It's possible the Tigers really really like River Ryan and think he can stay healthy, but truly shocking that the Brewers wouldn't look at their roster and say, give me Miz and Skubal and we can beat the Dodgers.

It's almost like the Brewers are saying they'd rather top out as NLCS contenders then really go for it.

Feels like a huge game today. Win and we are just a half game back. Lose and it's 2.5 games. If the latter happens…..blow it up.

I would trade a lifetime of mediocre Rangers baseball for 2023 every single time. That championship made it all worth it.

But if I'm being realistic, I think we're staring at another 5-10 years of average-to-bad baseball. Even if we add a couple of pieces in the next 24 hours, I still don't think we'll be a championship contender.

Between the uncertainty of the next CBA and the possibility of a work stoppage, this organization feels like it's in limbo.

The farm system still needs time, we're financially handcuffed for the next few years, and by the time Eovaldi and deGrom come off the books, we'll probably be talking about another rebuild instead of building on a contender. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Wyatt Langford ends up in trade rumors in a couple of years because of where this franchise is headed.

The most frustrating part is that ownership has made the Rangers feel like a second-tier market despite playing in one of the biggest markets in the country. I don't have much confidence that anything changes with the current front office. Until there's new ownership, a new baseball operations group, and Kip F. is gone, I don't see this organization becoming a consistently winning franchise.

2023 gave us memories that will last forever, but right now it's hard to feel optimistic about what comes next.

somewhat off topic but relevant to the conversation….

Does anyone know, or remember, if the minor leagues continued playing during the last strike/lockout? I seem to remember that they did….if I'm not having a senior moment and that was in fact the case, I wonder how the new construction of the minor leagues would be impacted. In other words, now that MLB is running the whole thing, I can see the minor league players being locked out or on strike as well….which from a developmental standpoint is an added layer of suck to an already crappy possibility/probability.

Heard a talking head make the point that the MLBPA did not want a trade deadline like this as it really sours public sentiment about a salary cap.

Dodgers prospects in recent years have been overrated, but they have 18 ROYs. NYYs have 10, at #2.

We have what... 1... 2?

And when you look at the talent (more so P) they develop... IMO, they get a lot of benefit of the doubt.

While they have signed big names, I need to see how many of their 26 were drafted by them, or signed as a Intl player.

Remember Yordan Alvarez was a player they dumped.

Grapesoda2525 said:

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What frustrates me more than anything isn't the fact that they have those prospects, it's that they are so good at goaltending those prospects in trades.

Seems like they manage to somehow acquire better talent than we do in years that we are both buyers at the trade deadline and they pay significantly less than we do for that superior talent.

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They have better (and more) scouts than we do.

IIRC, under JD and Preller... the Rangers snagged one of the Dodgers long-time guys. Somebody remind me...

vette said:

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This Skubal trade tells me that the rangers should have no problems getting the pieces they need with minimal prospect

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I thing they gave up a pretty hefty package. Look what posts on this thread have said.

Is Hope better than Walcott? Probably not, but Walcott is coming off TJ. When Profar screwed his arm/back from weightlifting, it took years... and PEDs to finally sustain in MLB. Not saying that is the case with Walcott, but nobody on here was willing to trade Walcott.

Dodgers gave up a highly regarded 21 yo OF who was raking in AA. Go look at his stats. Very warranted pick.

One last point... regardless of how you feel the return was for Skubal, IMO, that made just sank the trade value for remaining players.

The LADs have 3 of the SPs: Skubal, Yamamoto, and Wrobleski.

Then, they get Glasnow and Snell back. They have Ohtani, and maybe he only gives them an inning or 2.

If the Rangers are content just to get to the WS, we can dabble in a few additions. If the goal is to WIN the WS... at least on paper...nobody is going to compete with the Dodgers. You are just throwing away prospects for 2nd in the WS... or 2nd in the NL.

Read a Ken rosenthal report this morning that basically interpreted to gutting it out if we don't win today.

How did the city of Dallas get stuck with such crappy owners? It's beyond frustrating as a fan to not see my teams try to go for it.

I understand the regional sports networks and loss of revenue and the impending lockout. But if you buy a sports team, you should go in knowing that you need to spend money.

Why delay the inevitable. Just rip the bandaid and get started.

Yeah we're not getting much for Evo, DeGrom, or Seager unless we pick up most of the remaining money.

Damn. Ball was smoked to wrong part of the park. Nothing going our way this series

rbtexan said:

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somewhat off topic but relevant to the conversation….

Does anyone know, or remember, if the minor leagues continued playing during the last strike/lockout? I seem to remember that they did….if I'm not having a senior moment and that was in fact the case, I wonder how the new construction of the minor leagues would be impacted. In other words, now that MLB is running the whole thing, I can see the minor league players being locked out or on strike as well….which from a developmental standpoint is an added layer of suck to an already crappy possibility/probability.

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I think you are remembering correctly, there was minor league baseball during prior MLB work stoppages. Maybe it was only the players who weren't on the 40 man roster? I don't recall exactly, but I am pretty sure there was always minor league baseball during work stoppages.

But how that translates to todays game... I do not know. The MLB has a heavy hand now in the minor leagues, they cut back on the number of minor league teams a couple of years ago. They might be able to shut the whole thing down this time. Hopefully not, that would kill the development of the young guys, many of which may never sniff the MLB level.

Fans complaining about ownership that spent big money for Seager, Semien, deGrom, and Evo then traded top prospects for Aroldis Chapman and Max Scherzer to win a championship.

gigem1223 said:

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Damn. Ball was smoked to wrong part of the park. Nothing going our way this series

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Carter can't hit a ball better than that, that guy made a great play running that ball down.

Two innings in a row, the leadoff man for Houston is in scoring position with zero outs. Rocker works out of it both times.

I've noticed a lot of growth from Rocker this season. Think we got a good one

The fan short sightedness of trading prospects to help a .500 team have a 50/50 shot of making the playoffs and then have a 10% chance of winning the WS is maddening.

Those same fans will be upset in 5 years when the team isn't any good because they kept trading top prospects and not winning anything.

Yeah I don't get this either. Is Ray Davis historically kinda cheap? Sure. But he pushed his chips in the middle with seager, deGrom, Eovaldi, Scherzer etc. Is he being cheap again right now, yeah probably. But because we're getting dog crap years from all of the high money guys why go further in the middle?

Waste a pitch challenge early and now you don't challenge that obvious one

One of the real bright spots this year.

Terrible blue

Vessel said:

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The fan short sightedness of trading prospects to help a .500 team have a 50/50 shot of making the playoffs and then have a 10% chance of winning the WS is maddening.

Those same fans will be upset in 5 years when the team isn't any good because they kept trading top prospects and not winning anything.

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I think the Rangers are done making moves now. We are going to sink or swim with what we have IMO. We found a couple of low cost adds, but we aren't taking on any significant salary (that seems pretty clear).