***** Official Houston Astros 2024-2025 Offseason Thread *****

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For me, that's a total fair offer, especially if it's an offer with a signing bonus and declining yearly values. Say, a $16 MM bonus followed by years of 30, 30, 25, 25, 15, 15.

I'm sure Mr Boras has a different opinion.

The question is, will some other GM agree with him?

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texasaggie2015 said:

Was able to cross check this and confirm with another source last night and it's only a matter of time before this gets out.

The Astros offer to Bregman is 6 years and $156M.

It's going to be really interesting.


While I think that deal is completely fair for both sides, I think there will be 1 or 2 teams that beat that significantly. And I won't blame Bregman for taking the better offer nor will I blame the Astros for increasing this offer.
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6 years for $156 MM keeps the Astros' window open

i.e. still hope to resign Framer or Tucker

6 years for $180 MM would mean the Astros closed the window on themselves
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Mathguy64 said:

I don't think you can use that data to infer Crane can afford a ton more.

ML Payroll =/= total costs
yes, I would imagine the Astros' utility / HVAC cost per season is much, much greater than teams with open air stadiums
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It seems like the kind of deal Bregman would be crazy not to take.
You know the owner is in "win always" mode
You remain a huge star and become an even more beloved member of the community that already loves you
You stay as close as you can get in MLB to your college roots one state over and your hometown the other way
No state income tax
You don't get put through the NYC media grinder
When you hang it up, you're the greatest Astros third baseman of all-time, and it's not even close.




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$26 mil per year in Texas until you're 37? Dont have to move your family, and zero state income tax?

That's a great deal.
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regarding the Tigers...

they signed Javy Baez to a 6-year $140 MM contract...for his age 29 thru age 34 seasons.

and it's been a disaster --- paid him $67 MM for 1.8 WAR (total) in 3 years

why would Detroit turnaround and give Bregman 6 years for his age 31 to 36 seasons?
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They got a taste of winning and want more. Bregman is very different than Baez tho. However, any free agent is a risk. It's like the Astros got burned with Abreu. Does that mean we shouldn't go after Walker?
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Farmer1906 said:

Mathguy64 said:

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I would still take him but he'd have to be cheap in prospects and the Cubs would need to take on some money. He'd be awesome to platoon in CF and 1B.


Platooning him at 1B makes Jon dead weight.

I still think the easy (AKA cheap) solution there is to find a RHH 1B and platoon that person with Jon as LHH.
Correct. Jon would go bye-bye in my scenario. You can't justify a player like Beli to be a part-time 1B. His ability to play CF & 1B while being a plus hitter makes him valuable.

We have the RHH platoon in Dezenzo, Whitecomb, and or Caratini for 1B. I don't think we can justify a roster spot for a RHH platoon 1B that can't do much else.
What if we traded for Bellinger (negative trade value) and Parades? This would solve 3B long-term and 1B & CF short-term. Plus it would not eat up money that could interfere with a long-term deal for Tucker.
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not without some protection on the back end

the Astros have to learn something from the Abreu experience
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texasaggie2015 said:

Was able to cross check this and confirm with another source last night and it's only a matter of time before this gets out.

The Astros offer to Bregman is 6 years and $156M.

It's going to be really interesting.
Thats as high as I would be willing to go if I'm Crane. There's significant risk Bregman becomes a slappy 3B two or three years into that deal. He's already trending that way.
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Maybe Altuve can talk some sense into Breggy.

Like 'Look man I got you this deal with my public comments. Now take it already and lets roll this back a few more times'
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EastCoastAgNc said:




Thats surprising…
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EastCoastAgNc said:




Can't wait for year 4 of the Meyers vs Chas debate
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EastCoastAgNc said:




Survived? He was in zero danger of getting nonntendered.
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tjack16 said:

EastCoastAgNc said:




Thats surprising…

Tweet is missing some context

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Am I reading this right? They only have $16m to spend total this off-season?
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Go get Josh Rojas right now. His defense alone is good enough to backfill Bregman in case he leaves.

And he's a LHH. He can share the role with Dubon.

Give Polar Bear 6/156.
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Bregman better pull a hammy running to grab his phone to tell Boras he accepts the offer. He's about to get replaced in the aggregate.
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Am I wrong in thinking that the whole "no state income tax" aspect of any player's offer in Texas is missing 1/2 the story?

Aren't they effectively paid on a per game and per location basis, and have to report income to each state they play in since that's where "they worked"?
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Yes. But it's still 81 games played in Houston, plus Arlington games.
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bkag9824 said:

Am I wrong in thinking that the whole "no state income tax" aspect of any player's offer in Texas is missing 1/2 the story?

Aren't they effectively paid on a per game and per location basis, and have to report income to each state they play in since that's where "they worked"?


Yup.
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bkag9824 said:

Am I wrong in thinking that the whole "no state income tax" aspect of any player's offer in Texas is missing 1/2 the story?

Aren't they effectively paid on a per game and per location basis, and have to report income to each state they play in since that's where "they worked"?


That is accurate but that means 90ish games (Houston and Arlington games) are free of state income tax, that's better than say 81 games played in California or New York
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No you're not wrong.

It gets brought up in every FA pursuit and it never matters.

These guys DGAF about state taxes. It's a non-issue for them and something completely contrived by fans.
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If I remember correctly Carlos Beltran was making less money for the Mets than what the astros offered due to taxes.
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


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hold on now...

there were roadtrips last year that Tucker skipped while he was injured...

in no small part to whether the given state had a "jock tax"
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also Florida (Marlins, Rays) and Washington state (Mariners) don't have a state income tax / jock tax

so a player for the Astros can avoid extra taxes in almost 100 games per year
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EastCoastAgNc said:


Am I reading this right? They only have $16m to spend total this off-season?


This is the first full season they'll own 100% of the RSN. There will be significant shortfall from real world cable and satellite dollars vs the amount in rights they were receiving.
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iamtheglove said:

EastCoastAgNc said:


Am I reading this right? They only have $16m to spend total this off-season?


This is the first full season they'll own 100% of the RSN. There will be significant shortfall from real world cable and satellite dollars vs the amount in rights they were receiving.


Time to rebuild after a successful run in Seattle
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Sooo...when does baseball season start
 
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