AggiEE said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Let's examine Joey Loperfido's offensive statistics:

Based on his baseball savant page he does nothing good except run and throw.


But sure let's all lose our minds over shipping off the 25 year old that can't make contact with a baseball

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First....we did not give him a fair shot if you are going to judge his rookie year in the majors. Plenty of examples of players that take a while to get going, this isn't uncommon.

Secondly....many people aren't necessarily upset that we traded Loperfido, but that he wasn't used for a much better trade.

The value we gave up in this trade was enormous and we got back very little.

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Starting pitchers were going for a kings ransom. This trade and what we gave up does not impact our future as much as most fans want to believe.

The Padres and Orioles absolutely hurt their farm system much more with what they gave up. I was upset initially but got over it after really looking at this from a bigger picture.

I've seen Loperfido compared to Altuve, Tucker and Yordan (not on here) and being anointed the next big superstar in the league (on here). This fanbase is drunk on emotion over this. It's insanity

We literally traded away a left handed Corey Julks

bearkatag15 said:

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AggiEE said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Let's examine Joey Loperfido's offensive statistics:

Based on his baseball savant page he does nothing good except run and throw.


But sure let's all lose our minds over shipping off the 25 year old that can't make contact with a baseball

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First....we did not give him a fair shot if you are going to judge his rookie year in the majors. Plenty of examples of players that take a while to get going, this isn't uncommon.

Secondly....many people aren't necessarily upset that we traded Loperfido, but that he wasn't used for a much better trade.

The value we gave up in this trade was enormous and we got back very little.

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Starting pitchers were going for a kings ransom. This trade and what we gave up does not impact our future as much as most fans want to believe.

The Padres and Orioles absolutely hurt their farm system much more with what they gave up. I was upset initially but got over it after really looking at this from a bigger picture.

I've seen Loperfido compared to Altuve, Tucker and Yordan (not on here) and being anointed the next big superstar in the league (on here). This fanbase is drunk on emotion over this. It's insanity

We literally traded away a left handed Corey Julks

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Were they? No. I don't think starters were going for a king's ransom. At least, not at the quality of Kikuchi.

Mets got Paul Blackburn from the As for a single pitching prospect. If we just needed a guy to give you 5 innings per start with a ho-him ERA like Kikuchi, there were some very possible cheap trades to be made.

Dana just got played big time on this deal

AggiEE said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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AggiEE said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Let's examine Joey Loperfido's offensive statistics:

Based on his baseball savant page he does nothing good except run and throw.


But sure let's all lose our minds over shipping off the 25 year old that can't make contact with a baseball

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First....we did not give him a fair shot if you are going to judge his rookie year in the majors. Plenty of examples of players that take a while to get going, this isn't uncommon.

Secondly....many people aren't necessarily upset that we traded Loperfido, but that he wasn't used for a much better trade.

The value we gave up in this trade was enormous and we got back very little.

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Starting pitchers were going for a kings ransom. This trade and what we gave up does not impact our future as much as most fans want to believe.

The Padres and Orioles absolutely hurt their farm system much more with what they gave up. I was upset initially but got over it after really looking at this from a bigger picture.

I've seen Loperfido compared to Altuve, Tucker and Yordan (not on here) and being anointed the next big superstar in the league (on here). This fanbase is drunk on emotion over this. It's insanity

We literally traded away a left handed Corey Julks

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Were they? No. I don't think starters were going for a king's ransom. At least, not at the quality of Kikuchi.

Mets got Paul Blackburn from the As for a single pitching prospect. If we just needed a guy to give you 5 innings per start with a ho-him ERA like Kikuchi, there were some very possible cheap trades to be made.

Dana just got played big time on this deal

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Orioles gave up 2 of their top 10 prospects plus another for the Marlins pitcher with a 4.53 ERA.. The best prospect they gave up was ranked like top 40 in the overall MLB prospect rankings...

Padres gave up an insane amount for a reliever rental. Not even a starter. Prices were way up. Kikuchi is better than Blackburn so that is why he cost more.

99% be a superstar?!?

That's one of the most insane things I've ever read. The best prospect in baseball doesn't even have close to a 99% chance of being a superstar.

bearkatag15 said:

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AggiEE said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Let's examine Joey Loperfido's offensive statistics:

Based on his baseball savant page he does nothing good except run and throw.


But sure let's all lose our minds over shipping off the 25 year old that can't make contact with a baseball

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First....we did not give him a fair shot if you are going to judge his rookie year in the majors. Plenty of examples of players that take a while to get going, this isn't uncommon.

Secondly....many people aren't necessarily upset that we traded Loperfido, but that he wasn't used for a much better trade.

The value we gave up in this trade was enormous and we got back very little.

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Starting pitchers were going for a kings ransom. This trade and what we gave up does not impact our future as much as most fans want to believe.

The Padres and Orioles absolutely hurt their farm system much more with what they gave up. I was upset initially but got over it after really looking at this from a bigger picture.

I've seen Loperfido compared to Altuve, Tucker and Yordan (not on here) and being anointed the next big superstar in the league (on here). This fanbase is drunk on emotion over this. It's insanity

We literally traded away a left handed Corey Julks

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You're still comparing a rookie who has at best platooned to a AAAA player who played half a season in the bigs before this one. And the rookie has double the RBI's in less at bats despite going through rookie growing pains. I'm sorry, you're not making the case you think you are. Loperfido MASHED AAA. The same way Springer did, who also struck out a lot. There simply isn't even data to say what Joey is or isn't. But I'll tell you what is a fact. That we gave him up with TWO OTHER PROSPECTS for a guy who would be our 7th or 8th starting option if our roster was healthy. It didn't need to happen. We didn't get better. And our future might have gotten worse. It was a bad trade. It's ok to say that you are in rationalization mode and willing to beat your head against a wall until you feel better. We've all done it. But this was a bad trade.

AggiEE said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Let's examine Joey Loperfido's offensive statistics:

Based on his baseball savant page he does nothing good except run and throw.


But sure let's all lose our minds over shipping off the 25 year old that can't make contact with a baseball

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First....we did not give him a fair shot if you are going to judge his rookie year in the majors. Plenty of examples of players that take a while to get going, this isn't uncommon.

Secondly....many people aren't necessarily upset that we traded Loperfido, but that he wasn't used for a much better trade.

The value we gave up in this trade was enormous and we got back very little.

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This. We brought him up and he was hitting red hot for a month. So we rewarded him by sitting him on the bench behind Chas doing absolutely nothing for several weeks, then sent him back to AAA. Why? Then we traded him and two other guys for 2.5 months worth of a JAG starting pitcher. I would have rather seen what he could do over the course of the rest of the season playing in place of Chas.

You forgot to include what Joey was doing in May before we sat him down in favor of Chas.

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And as the sample got bigger and bigger, his trend kept going the wrong way. Blame it on icing him if you want.

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We will never know because we kept yanking his chain and sitting him on the bench, including sitting him in favor of Chas starting May 20 when he had an OPS over .800. You could have also looked at what Chas did from May 20 to June 21 when we sat Joey on the bench and sent him to AAA.

FWIW, I don't know what Loperfido will do in Toronto, and I got a good laugh out of the 99% superstar prognostication. But I think he showed enough when he came up and was getting regular playing time to make him intriguing. I don't think what we got in the trade was worth losing him and two other players. I hope I am wrong and Dana is a genius, but right now it is hard to see that from the info available.

Re: Kikuchi from insider Nook

Supposedly the Astros sent him tape right away showing him some of the things the Astros pitching coaches and advanced scout noticed.

For all I know he could go 1-6 the rest of the way, but I am impressed by the amount of time and work the Astros put into deciding who to trade for and how they can help them improve. He has a top 5 fastball in baseball and hopefully they maximize it.

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redline248 said:

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Loperfido is close to the Alvarez mold.

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I followed both extensively at the minor league level. You are seeing things from a minor league/early call-up (Loperfido) to a finished product (Yordan). There a lot of similarities' between the two.

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This is hilarious.

Yordan at 25 was in his 4th season removed from ROY and finished 3rd in MVP voting. The excitement around his MLB debut (at age 21) was through the roof.

Loperfido is a guy who only diehard fans had even heard of when he debuted. He has some tools, but the odds are against him ever being an everyday major league player.

Man, super pissed off I was sleeping while everyone had a logical conversation how Joey loperfido is a future hall of famer and the Astros just traded away there entire future by sending three total players to another team.

So stupid.

speaking of stats for outfielders...

Jake is wrapping up a 'Jose Abreu' month of July

OPS ---> .563

while hitting in the 6-hole

While we're slandering Loperfido, can we talk about Doobie? I know some have fawned over him and even called him the "Team MVP" last year. He's at 87 wRC+ this year which is almost in line with his career wRC+ of 86. This will be year 6 of sub 100 wRC+. I think any plans to play him more than part time as a back up or misplaced. We may need to look into upgrade our super utility in the offseason. Dubon is going to make 5+ M and he's on the wrong side of 30 now.

We need a win tonight in the worst kind of way.