Oh I do. And yet here I am still surprised
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Ag_07 said:
It was a BP game.
Serious question...How else was he supposed to use it?
Obviously as soon as they scored a run in the 9th, Hader should've been up in game 1 because we just play 162 one-game seasons.
Or maybe he should've used Seth or Montero or King. You know, the guys he already had to burn because he literally didn't have a starting pitcher.
I do think they were trying to protect Tayler Scott's arm or he could've come in but once the tying run got on deck it was only going to be Hader.
I will say… this thread will be glorious to read through the day after we raise the trophy.
texasaggie2015 said:
Yeah I truly have no idea why people are so upset. Mind blowing really.
Those bullpen games are difficult to win. And they won and continue to be red hot. Why can't we ever be happy?
I'm not upset. I'm just pointing out that Hader has not been *amazing*
Can't really fault Espada last night.
We'd be furious if he used his leverage guys to close down an 8 run lead … so why are we getting mad at him?
We'd be furious if he used his leverage guys to close down an 8 run lead … so why are we getting mad at him?
AggiEE said:texasaggie2015 said:
Yeah I truly have no idea why people are so upset. Mind blowing really.
Those bullpen games are difficult to win. And they won and continue to be red hot. Why can't we ever be happy?
I'm not upset. I'm just pointing out that Hader has not been *amazing*
15/16 on save opps, 15 straight converted
14 K/9
5.54 K/BB
3.29 FIP
2.33 xFIP
2.94 xERA
0.6 fWAR
The Astros optioned Luis Contreras to Triple-A Sugar Land and called up reliever Kaleb Ort.
— Matt Kawahara (@matthewkawahara) July 6, 2024
No Altuve pic.twitter.com/DXcVkFnmft
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) July 6, 2024
Jose Altuve not in the lineup after getting hit in the left hand last night. X-rays were negative. pic.twitter.com/rGkkMq4IyI
— Julia Morales (@JuliaMorales) July 6, 2024
“That’s one of the catches of the year,” Carlos Correa told reporters in the Twins clubhouse postgame. “It’s got to be, right? ... He even gave a headache to the umpires, so you know how crazy that play was.”https://t.co/gxvLstRtYQ
— Matt Kawahara (@matthewkawahara) July 6, 2024
Carlos says game recognize game
Altuve has only missed 2 games this season
so getting today off and maybe tomorrow plus Monday's off-day....
is not necessarily a bad thing
so getting today off and maybe tomorrow plus Monday's off-day....
is not necessarily a bad thing
"Scheduled day off"EastCoastAgNc said:No Altuve pic.twitter.com/DXcVkFnmft
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) July 6, 2024
"Contusion"
"Bruise"
Mathguy64 said:"Scheduled day off"EastCoastAgNc said:No Altuve pic.twitter.com/DXcVkFnmft
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) July 6, 2024
"Contusion"
"Bruise"
You forgot discomfort
Yeah if he's sore today by all means rest him. He's played almost every game this year. I imagine they'll rest him tomorrow as well and let him heal up
Mathguy64 said:"Scheduled day off"EastCoastAgNc said:No Altuve pic.twitter.com/DXcVkFnmft
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) July 6, 2024
"Contusion"
"Bruise"
But can you have Tommy John on a hand?
Beau Holder said:AggiEE said:texasaggie2015 said:
Yeah I truly have no idea why people are so upset. Mind blowing really.
Those bullpen games are difficult to win. And they won and continue to be red hot. Why can't we ever be happy?
I'm not upset. I'm just pointing out that Hader has not been *amazing*
15/16 on save opps, 15 straight converted
14 K/9
5.54 K/BB
3.29 FIP
2.33 xFIP
2.94 xERA
0.6 fWAR
A roughly 4.0 ERA for a star $95M closer is not good
ERA isn't the whole story. It certainly works for your narrative but it's not the end all be all.
If he's not blowing saves IDGAF how many runs he gives up.
If he's not blowing saves IDGAF how many runs he gives up.
texasaggie2015 said:
I will say… this thread will be glorious to read through the day after we raise the trophy.
I'm with you - best record in MLB the entire month of June and a 6-2 record on the current road trip- all without Tucker and Verlander. But folks on here are never satisfied. Guess the Astros need to win every game for that to happen.
You've heard the expression "The only happy Aggie is an unhappy Aggie", right?texasaggie2015 said:
Yeah I truly have no idea why people are so upset. Mind blowing really.
Those bullpen games are difficult to win. And they won and continue to be red hot. Why can't we ever be happy?
Ag_07 said:
ERA isn't the whole story. It certainly works for your narrative but it's not the end all be all.
If he's not blowing saves IDGAF how many runs he gives up.
Save conversions isn't the whole story. He ones up with a boatload of run margin generally
Ag_07 said:
It was a BP game.
Serious question...How else was he supposed to use it?
Having someone ready in the bullpen before the seventh baserunner reached in the 9th would have been a decent start.
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One of the simple joys of life is reading this thread in all its bi-polarity the day after a game like last night.
"Save conversions isn't the whole story" of a closer right after referencing ERA and ignoring all the advanced stats is sure a position.
Astros hierarchy of reported injury:
1. "Scheduled day off" = out 3-5 days
2. "Discomfort" = out 2-4 weeks
3. "Contusion, Neck Pain or the use of the word Gimpy" = out 1-3 months
4. "Bruise" = out 3+ months
5. "Mild Strain" = out 6-12 months, likely Tommy John surgery
6. "Tweaked it" = out 1 to 2 years on rehab
7. "Couldn't move it/put any weight on it" = retiring from baseball
1. "Scheduled day off" = out 3-5 days
2. "Discomfort" = out 2-4 weeks
3. "Contusion, Neck Pain or the use of the word Gimpy" = out 1-3 months
4. "Bruise" = out 3+ months
5. "Mild Strain" = out 6-12 months, likely Tommy John surgery
6. "Tweaked it" = out 1 to 2 years on rehab
7. "Couldn't move it/put any weight on it" = retiring from baseball
Beau Holder said:
"Save conversions isn't the whole story" of a closer right after referencing ERA and ignoring all the advanced stats is sure a position.
Yeah I would care about a closer being able to convert games when we're not ahead by multiple runs, like in the playoffs.
He gives up a massive amount of homers
I didn't catch the game because I was on the road but how many of those runs was he responsible for? Just one right?
And I saw the home run. In no world should Correa have been able to turn on that pitch. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap and shrug your shoulders.
Sometimes things happen. It's baseball.
And I saw the home run. In no world should Correa have been able to turn on that pitch. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap and shrug your shoulders.
Sometimes things happen. It's baseball.
AggiEE said:Beau Holder said:AggiEE said:texasaggie2015 said:
Yeah I truly have no idea why people are so upset. Mind blowing really.
Those bullpen games are difficult to win. And they won and continue to be red hot. Why can't we ever be happy?
I'm not upset. I'm just pointing out that Hader has not been *amazing*
15/16 on save opps, 15 straight converted
14 K/9
5.54 K/BB
3.29 FIP
2.33 xFIP
2.94 xERA
0.6 fWAR
A roughly 4.0 ERA for a star $95M closer is not good
When you have 39 IP it's still a small enough number that a couple of runs one way or the other makes a big difference in ERA. He's given up a couple of HR that didn't change the outcome of the game and that hits his ERA.
The rest of his numbers look fine.
iamtheglove said:
Astros hierarchy of reported injury:
1. "Scheduled day off" = out 3-5 days
2. "Discomfort" = out 2-4 weeks
3. "Contusion, Neck Pain or the use of the word Gimpy" = out 1-3 months
4. "Bruise" = out 3+ months
5. "Mild Strain" = out 6-12 months, likely Tommy John surgery
6. "Tweaked it" = out 1 to 2 years on rehab
7. "Couldn't move it/put any weight on it" = retiring from baseball
8. "Played catch, will face live batters soon " - still 3 months out
AggiEE said:Beau Holder said:
"Save conversions isn't the whole story" of a closer right after referencing ERA and ignoring all the advanced stats is sure a position.
Yeah I would care about a closer being able to convert games when we're not ahead by multiple runs, like in the playoffs.
He gives up a massive amount of homers
When he's asked to come in with a lead and make sure we win, he does. Fifteen times in a row. Also has had multiple more-than-three-out appearances that helped result in wins.
Every advanced / expected metric also says he's been even better than that excellent success rate. Although I sense you may not believe in advanced stats.
texasaggie2015 said:
I didn't catch the game because I was on the road but how many of those runs was he responsible for? Just one right?
And I saw the home run. In no world should Correa have been able to turn on that pitch. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap and shrug your shoulders.
Sometimes things happen. It's baseball.
Yeah. It was well inside at 97 mph. I don't see how he hit it at all much left kept it fair.
Beau Holder said:AggiEE said:Beau Holder said:
"Save conversions isn't the whole story" of a closer right after referencing ERA and ignoring all the advanced stats is sure a position.
Yeah I would care about a closer being able to convert games when we're not ahead by multiple runs, like in the playoffs.
He gives up a massive amount of homers
When he's asked to come in with a lead and make sure we win, he does. Fifteen times in a row. Also has had multiple more-than-three-out appearances that helped result in wins.
Every advanced / expected metric also says he's been even better than that excellent success rate. Although I sense you may not believe in advanced stats.
Yes he has been an excellent closer, the best in the league, other teams are surely jealous of his impressive 4.0 ERA nightly home run where he converts a save while we're up 5 runs
And again… the home run to Correa was just a great hitter hitting an almost impossible pitch. Sometimes you have to tip your cap.
texasaggie2015 said:
And again… the home run to Correa was just a great hitter hitting an almost impossible pitch. Sometimes you have to tip your cap.
No it wasn't, it was a stupid pitch selection to a guy who can't hit low outside and he throws it up and in
Some people just aren't happy unless they're pissy….
Really no point of even arguing…
Really no point of even arguing…