*****Official 2023-2024 Texas Rangers Off-season Thread*****

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fc2112
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I thought I saw yesterday that they did - but now cannot find it.
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The backup catching role will also have to be resolved. Huff's glovework is still a question mark, so Texas could opt to re-sign Austin Hedges as a pure defensive specialist behind everyday starter Heim. Or, the Rangers could look to entirely bring the band back together by re-signing Mitch Garver and reinstalling him into the primary DH/backup catcher role.

This usage worked so well in 2023 that reuniting with Garver is surely tempting for the Rangers. It is possible Garver might even accept the qualifying offer if issued, as he'd land a $20.325MM payday for the 2024 season and return to a comfortable environment. On the other hand, Garver is also the top free agent catcher on the market, so a longer-term contract elsewhere would certainly seem to be on the table. Garver's injury history might preclude him from being a true full-time catcher, though he could pursue a DH/catcher role similar to the one he held in Texas.

Qualifying offers must be issued by November 6, and that short timeframe adds another wrinkle to how the Rangers might approach Garver. If Garver did receive a QO and he accepted, that would essentially solidify the Rangers' plans for the DH spot heading into 2024. On the one hand, that's a bit of important winter business handled early….except that this particular offseason happens to have a certain generational talent available who needs a designated hitter role.
MLB Trade Rumors article from yesterday (11/4)

Thought I had seen the QO to Garver as well, but nothing turned up on the google search. Article has a lot of tasty discussion about the team and the Ohtani possibility.
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Wacha was a really solid last year. Easily a good 4.
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As much as I like the fact the Rangers won the WS.... and the fact, the band is almost entirely back together...

Would the 2023 team be able to repeat in 2024?!

Players not confirmed for 2024:
SP: Montgomery, Perez
RP: Chapman, Smith, Stratton
Others: Grossman, Jankowski, Hedges, Garver

Open positions: LH RP, LH RP, RH RP, Backup Catcher, DH
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If we have scherzer, evoldi, and Monty as a 1-2-3 before degrom comes back in the mix, we easily win over 105 games with a halfway decent pen
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When is Degrom forecasted to be fully back?
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With the Rangers winning the World Series, they will be the second team to ever win a championship, and then host the All-Star Game the following season.

The only other team to do so, the 1939 Yankees.

Ranger fans you're not dreaming! The Rangers are the World Series Champions!
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Spaceship said:

When is Degrom forecasted to be fully back?


August?
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fc2112 said:

Tommy Pham as a DH is gonna depend on if Garver takes our QO.

I like Tommy Pham a lot - but Garver is a better hitter AND can be a backup ctcher.


I didn't like Pham's interview after Game 4. He sounded defeated. Then went 0-3 in Game 5. I think we have better options.
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I keep seeing where Garver's QO would be $20 million following a year where he made $3.9. Is that right? Surely they don't offer that. Would love to get him resigned, but at more of a negotiated price vs QO rate
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cmiller00 said:

It was time to make the move and CY did a great job but to give JD no credit just makes him look like a petty has-been.
That's all Galloway has ever been. He's a sports imbecile with a microphone
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DannyDuberstein said:

I keep seeing where Garver's QO would be $20 million following a year where he made $3.9. Is that right? Surely they don't offer that. Would love to get him resigned, but at more of a negotiated price vs QO rate
No negotiation on the QO. It's set by the league - it's the mean of the top 125 salaries in baseball.

If the Rangers offer, he'll almost certainly take it. Any multiyear offer would be - $30 MM over 3 years?
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I don't mean negotiating the QO. I mean negotiating an actual deal instead of giving the QO. I would expect Garver to snap up a QO.
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NukeAg10 said:

Spaceship said:

When is Degrom forecasted to be fully back?


August?
That seems to be the target for returning to the rotation:

October 18, 2023:
https://www.rotowire.com/baseball/player/jacob-degrom-12854

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ANALYSIS

The goal for deGrom -- who is a little over four months removed from Tommy John surgery -- is to begin a throwing program early on in the new year and progress to mound work sometime during spring training. "My arm feels pretty close to normal already," he said. DeGrom is aiming to rejoin the Rangers' rotation by next August.

Season ends Sept 29, 2024, so there are 5 GS he could get in Sept.
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Quick read from Bob Nightengale about potential off-season plans:

Texas Rangers

Hey, free agency treated them very, very, very good in their World Series run.

So why not hit the market again?

They will make a run at Ohtani, who was on his original list of teams he was interested in signing with when he left Japan, and will be on the lookout for starting pitching.

Bringing Jordan Montgomery back makes the most sense, but certainly Nola and his durability is quite attractive to the Rangers' rotation, with several GMs predicting Nola will end up in Texas.

The Rangers' bullpen concerns could also suddenly disappear with the signing of free-agent closer Josh Hader.

It's hard to find a single executive who isn't predicting that Hader will ultimately be a Ranger.

Certainly, with the nucleus of their position players locked up in Texas for the next five years, they could have the makings of a dynasty.
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South Platte said:

fc2112 said:

Tommy Pham as a DH is gonna depend on if Garver takes our QO.

I like Tommy Pham a lot - but Garver is a better hitter AND can be a backup ctcher.


I didn't like Pham's interview after Game 4. He sounded defeated. Then went 0-3 in Game 5. I think we have better options.
He probably was defeated.

Having said that, if you heard the DBacks interviewed after they clinched in Philly... I told my wife, "If you don't know any better, you wouldn't know if this was the winning or losing team."

They sounded like they were done after Philly.
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Already answered.
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DallasAg 94 said:

DannyDuberstein said:

I keep seeing where Garver's QO would be $20 million following a year where he made $3.9. Is that right? Surely they don't offer that. Would love to get him resigned, but at more of a negotiated price vs QO rate
So, as a looming FA the Rangers can make a QO (currently $20M+/-). That dollar amount is determined by the average of the Top 125 Salaries.

If they offer and he accepts, he is under a 1yr deal. If he rejects it, the Rangers get Draft Comp for him leaving.

If they don't offer... he can walk free-and-clear.


I would let Garver walk. $20MM is too high for a .250 hitting DH. Yes, he's a backup catcher as well but still think it isbtoo high. I'm not sure anyone would pay that.
Double Talkin' Jive...
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Yeah, i was thinking the QO had a bit of a sliding scale built into it. You don't make him a QO, but I would be the phone with his agent seeing what it would take to work out 1-2 years.

Someone like Foscue could be on the way to handle the DH aspect of his role, but the value of being able to get behind the dish is very helpful.
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I wonder if Garver would take a 2 year 30 million deal.
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I think they'd jump on it as i think his value is a fair amount less. I think he can get $10-12 a year, but $15 is pushing top end. His age and health work against him.
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Water Boy said:

I wonder if Garver would take a 2 year 30 million deal.
I think that's too much. 2 year $24 MM is more like it.
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South Platte said:

fc2112 said:

Tommy Pham as a DH is gonna depend on if Garver takes our QO.

I like Tommy Pham a lot - but Garver is a better hitter AND can be a backup ctcher.


I didn't like Pham's interview after Game 4. He sounded defeated. Then went 0-3 in Game 5. I think we have better options.


I wanted Pham at the trade deadline this year. Don't want him as a FA signing. Good rental piece. Pass on anything longer.
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Wouldn't mind a 2 year 25 mill contract offer with incentives. I think that is more than fair for graver.
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Geez, that Fox Ramgers commercial was a doozy. Hopefully if you guys are watching the Cowboys you saw it.
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Heim and Lowe win Gold Gloves!
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Danny Vermin said:

Geez, that Fox Ramgers commercial was a doozy. Hopefully if you guys are watching the Cowboys you saw it.


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Been out of town so just now reading this thread.... ready for a good 3+ months of off season talk.
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And I say pass on Ohtani. How do you even determine his value when his pitching ability is going to be unknown? He's going to want a record setting contract, fully guaranteed.

I guess wait and see what his agent is asking for, but we need to spend our money on Montgomery and the bullpen.
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Adolis won a Gold Glove too!
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KT 90 said:

And I say pass on Ohtani. How do you even determine his value when his pitching ability is going to be unknown? He's going to want a record setting contract, fully guaranteed.

I guess wait and see what his agent is asking for, but we need to spend our money on Montgomery and the bullpen.


I tend to agree. But then I also think of that bat in this lineup. Wow.
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For those interested in Ohtani...how do you project his cost?

Personally, I think he is a DH-only for 2024. He may or may not pitch in 2025. He can't play OF with the arm surgery.

1 HR per 4.1 GP

Career .274... likely gives you 30-35 HRs.

Certainly capable of .300/40HR/20SB. Adding Ohtani would certainly put us as the odds-favorite to winning the 2024 WS. 10yr is concerning.

Would you want like $40M with a vesting to $50M in 2026 if he pitches 125 IP in 2025?!

Maybe a $30M for 2024 (age 30), $35M for 2025 (age 31), $40M for 2026 and on...

I just wouldn't want more than 6-7 yrs and he likely gets 10 years putting him in the Rendon, Pujols, type range.
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I think most teams are going to approach it like that with vesting based on innings pitched. Just going to depend on who's willing to pony up the most guaranteed most likely. Although if you offer him an incentive laden contract that would pay him like both an All Star hitting and pitcher if he performs maybe he bets on himself.

Love the thought of him in our lineup but shelling out the amount it will take for a guy with injury and long term durability concerns doesn't seem like the best move with the current lineup.
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Judge got 9 years and I think he's a year older than Ohtani.
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More fun....

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2024.html

This was from Oct 6, 2023

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Rangers (10)

Think those Arb #s might change based on post-season results?!

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