***Official Houston Astros 2023-24 Offseason Thread*** [Staff Warning - OP]

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In reply to bearkatag15 • 12:26p, 2/6/24
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One of the biggest preseason predictors. I was coming to post it.

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/

Looks like they're sleeping on Baltimore. I'd probably have SD higher too. The central divisions somehow look worse than last year.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:31p, 2/6/24
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Farmer1906 said:
One of the biggest preseason predictors. I was coming to post it.

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/

Looks like they're sleeping on Baltimore. I'd probably have SD higher too. The central divisions somehow look worse than last year.


Yeah hard to imagine Baltimore taking a 15 game step backwards this year
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:35p, 2/6/24
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Farmer1906 said:
Being a gym rat doesn't automatically equal success but it does show that the player is willing to put in the work to try. The stuff he regurgitated about his swing sounds like every player every offseason. I think his improvement from year 1 to year 2 will continue out to year 3. It's just a matter of finding that pop again.
Absolutely. I just thought it was a cool inside look into the gym work JP puts in. Hopefully, it will translate on the field. Bulking up didn't help Bregman.
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 1:24p, 2/6/24
I feel AL East is wrong. Should be Baltimore, NYY, then Boston in my opinion.
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1:40p, 2/6/24
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Hello old friend.
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In reply to PrestigeWorldwideAg12 • 1:41p, 2/6/24
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NY will get all the live with their big signings they likely are the favorites with Baltimore nipping at their heels
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In reply to linkdude • 1:48p, 2/6/24
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linkdude said:
Hello old friend.

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In reply to bearkatag15 • 1:54p, 2/6/24
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bearkatag15 said:
NY will get all the live with their big signings they likely are the favorites with Baltimore nipping at their heels
I wonder what NY's long-term plan is.

Their 2024/5 FA list is long.
  • Soto
  • Torres
  • Verdugo
  • Holmes
  • Loaisiga
  • Ferguson
  • Kahnle
Potentially, Rizzo & Weaver too. (club options)

Then you factor in Judge will be 33 & Cole will be 34.

The NEED to win in 2024 because 2025 is going to have a very different look.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:58p, 2/6/24
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I'm guessing their stock is in Dominguez and Volpe being their future stars. I think one of them will be but not both
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In reply to Ag_07 • 2:07p, 2/6/24
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Special Asst to MLBPA President Tony Clark
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In reply to tjack16 • 2:09p, 2/6/24
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I'm guessing their stock is in Dominguez and Volpe being their future stars. I think one of them will be but not both
I am not a Volpe believer, but Dominguez might be legit. I think its too early to tell. He's only has 70 PA across AAA/MLB. He's one ugly ******* tho.

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:10p, 2/6/24
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Farmer1906 said:
bearkatag15 said:
NY will get all the live with their big signings they likely are the favorites with Baltimore nipping at their heels
I wonder what NY's long-term plan is.

Their 2024/5 FA list is long.
  • Soto
  • Torres
  • Verdugo
  • Holmes
  • Loaisiga
  • Ferguson
  • Kahnle
Potentially, Rizzo & Weaver too. (club options)

Then you factor in Judge will be 33 & Cole will be 34.

The NEED to win in 2024 because 2025 is going to have a very different look.
And Stanton will be 35. Him and his -0.8 WAR. And they still owe him 5 more years and $133MM.
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In reply to TRM • 2:24p, 2/6/24
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I figured as much with the MLBPA logo

This is just poking fun at Gomez with Colin's classic reaction to one of his awful plays in CF.

Not sure how this is gonna work since it's a Facebook link but it's the only one I could find

https://fb.watch/q2jZ6zst4z/

Interesting that that happened in 2016 then in 2017 Gomez started shlt with McHugh when he was with Texas



Guy was just a joke in general
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2:30p, 2/6/24
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Having a conversation with a buddy of mine that sort of pertains to Carlos Gomez. We talk a lot about the best trades in franchise history.. what would be considered the worst? Outside of the Fiers thing

Curt Schilling for Jason Grimsley maybe?
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 2:32p, 2/6/24
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texasaggie2015 said:
Having a conversation with a buddy of mine that sort of pertains to Carlos Gomez. We talk a lot about the best trades in franchise history.. what would be considered the worst? Outside of the Fiers thing

Curt Schilling for Jason Grimsley maybe?


We traded away a stud reliever in Josh Fields to the Dodgers for some unknown Cuban prospect… that one was rough
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2:32p, 2/6/24
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Man. I never realized just how bad Stanton was. So his WAR was -0.8 Surely it wasnt that bad.

Ok. It was.

In 101 games, he slashed .191/.275/.420. Yes, thats $33MM for an OPS under .700. Thats an OPS+ of 87 for those counting.

60 RBI from a power hitting DH. He managed 24 HR, so he managed to drive in 36 teammates somehow.

Farmer is in love with RE24. He will really love this. Stanton was at -8.5. He actually is responsible for taking 8.5 runs AWAY from his team based on situational hitting.

And they have this donkey dropping for 5 more years. It may be the worst contract ever.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 2:32p, 2/6/24
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Yordan Alvarez for Josh Fields
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In reply to tjack16 • 2:34p, 2/6/24
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 2:35p, 2/6/24
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Stanton has a knack for absolutely blistering hot then disappearing.

I'd be willing to bet that half those HRs came in like a 10 game span when he was just tearing the cover off the ball.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 2:35p, 2/6/24
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How about this - not a trade, but deciding to protect Doggy and not Abreu from the expansion Devil Rays.

Go back a little further when we unloaded Cami & Finley for Derek Bell & Ricky Gutierrez.
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2:36p, 2/6/24
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The worst for the Astros...

- whatever got us Ken Giles
- any trade involving Ed Wade bending over for the Phillies
- the Jason Jennings trade
- trading away Ben Zobrist
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:37p, 2/6/24
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Man, Doggy had a couple really good years. I wonder what could have been if he never got shot in that carjacking. He was never the same after that.

But you're right, that one hurts.
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2:37p, 2/6/24
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Not a trade but I would have loved to hang on to JD Martinez. Him in our 2015-2018 lineup would have been awesome. Especially 2018 given he would have been in our dugout rather than Boston

I understand why we didn't keep him, but that's one I wish I could go back in time to.
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 2:37p, 2/6/24
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Mathguy64 said:
Man. I never realized just how bad Stanton was. So his WAR was -0.8 Surely it wasnt that bad.

Ok. It was.

In 101 games, he slashed .191/.275/.420. Yes, thats $33MM for an OPS under .700. Thats an OPS+ of 87 for those counting.

60 RBI from a power hitting DH. He managed 24 HR, so he managed to drive in 36 teammates somehow.

Farmer is in love with RE24. He will really love this. Stanton was at -8.5. He actually is responsible for taking 8.5 runs AWAY from his team based on situational hitting.

And they have this donkey dropping for 5 more years. It may be the worst contract ever.
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In reply to tjack16 • 2:38p, 2/6/24
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I always saw something in JD. Even when he was here. I think he's one of those guys who just really needed a change of scenery to get going
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In reply to RED AG 98 • 2:41p, 2/6/24
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RED AG 98 said:
Well, uh, this is akward.



Somebody got a talking to
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 2:41p, 2/6/24
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I always saw something in JD. Even when he was here. I think he's one of those guys who just really needed a change of scenery to get going
His major change was a new hitting coach. It probably (?) would have happened here if we held on, but what were the odds after almost 1000 PA he would drastically improve from what he was? He had an 87 Astros wRC+ and got worse each season. 103 to 88 to 75.
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2:41p, 2/6/24
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Larry Anderson for Jeff Bagwell has to be candidate for one of the worst MLB trades
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In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 2:45p, 2/6/24
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EastCoastAgNc said:
RED AG 98 said:
Well, uh, this is akward.



Somebody got a talking to
Even this backpedal is stupid though. Sheesh. She's clearly not that bright and/or has very poor advisers.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:46p, 2/6/24
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Farmer1906 said:
Being a gym rat doesn't automatically equal success but it does show that the player is willing to put in the work to try. The stuff he regurgitated about his swing sounds like every player every offseason. I think his improvement from year 1 to year 2 will continue in year 3. It's just a matter of finding that pop again.

Deluxe's 2024 WAR projection for Peña is on the rise, as is typical this time of year.
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In reply to RED AG 98 • 2:49p, 2/6/24
RED AG 98 said:
EastCoastAgNc said:
RED AG 98 said:
Well, uh, this is akward.



Somebody got a talking to
Even this backpedal is stupid though. Sheesh. She's clearly not that bright and/or has very poor advisers.

She could be straight of central casting as a Boss Karen.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:51p, 2/6/24
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For sure.

He was just one of those guys to me that, even through the struggles, you could just see something there.
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2:54p, 2/6/24
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That Abreu/Hidalgo conundrum: that contract year for Doggy in 2000 was a bright spot in a terrible season -- 44 home runs.

The longevity of Abreu though -- I didn't realize he had more than 2,400 hits.
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In reply to agproducer • 2:57p, 2/6/24
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I was talking to the same buddy I mentioned above about some of the most underrated players in the last 20 years or so. We both agreed Bobby Abreu might be that guy.

I also think Carlos Delgado didn't get enough love. He kinda got lost in the shuffle of all those heavy hitting first basemen... but the guy was really, really good.
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In reply to RED AG 98 • 3:00p, 2/6/24
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I listened to the interview. He lobbed up a soft, easy question about the prospect of them moving to the city and she cranked the wheel the other way and went down her own path.
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