This is a fair pointW said:
would prefer Bregman in the 2-hole for two reasons
- last year he had 92 walks and 8 HBP's --- so 100 free bases
- but he also hit into 22 GiDP's (and he's not getting any faster)
if he hits behind Yordan...the opposing manager's standard move will be to walk Yordan and set up Bregman for the GiDP
Tucker only hit into 11 GiDP's
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On one hand, Bregman's OBP skills play so well in the 2 hole. On the other hand, he has excelled in the cleanup spot. I think that is because a lot of pitchers will now pitch around 2-3 and try to get cleanup guys to chase. Bregman doesn't chase, so he hits good pitches or takes his walk.
Bregman in the cleanup spot is deadly if you slot a massive RBI guy behind him, for pitchers can dig themselves a huge hole in front of that guy. Diaz is a slugger but undisciplined, so I would still hit Abreu behind Bregman if you put him cleanup.
The analystics side of me says you go:
Altuve
Yordan
Tucker
Bregman
Abreu
McCormick
Diaz
Peña
Meyers
I know some like Tucker in the 2 hole ahead of Yordan, but Tucker is a great RBI guy that I want as backup to Yordan. Yordan is the guy pitchers fear the most. Analytics say to prioritize 2 and 4, buy I want Tucker immediately behind Yordan. So the only question is whether you put that duo 2-3 or 3-4.
I vote 2-3 with Bregman and Abreu following.
Bregman in the cleanup spot is deadly if you slot a massive RBI guy behind him, for pitchers can dig themselves a huge hole in front of that guy. Diaz is a slugger but undisciplined, so I would still hit Abreu behind Bregman if you put him cleanup.
The analystics side of me says you go:
Altuve
Yordan
Tucker
Bregman
Abreu
McCormick
Diaz
Peña
Meyers
I know some like Tucker in the 2 hole ahead of Yordan, but Tucker is a great RBI guy that I want as backup to Yordan. Yordan is the guy pitchers fear the most. Analytics say to prioritize 2 and 4, buy I want Tucker immediately behind Yordan. So the only question is whether you put that duo 2-3 or 3-4.
I vote 2-3 with Bregman and Abreu following.
These 2 reasons and Altuve's low pitch count at bats are the reasons I'd love to see him in the 1 hole.W said:
- last year he had 92 walks and 8 HBP's --- so 100 free bases
- but he also hit into 22 GiDP's (and he's not getting any faster)
Bregman
Altuve
Tucker
Alvarez
Diaz
Abreu
Chas
Pena
Meyers
Or if the R, L, R, L really matters....
Bregman
Tucker
Altuve
Alvarez
Diaz
Abreu
Chas
Pena
Meyers
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Did somebody say we could use one more arm?
texasaggie2015 said:As @JonHeyman said, Ken Giles will throw a bullpen Friday in Phoenix for interested teams. Giles is healthy, according to his agent, Randy Rowley, and ready to resume his major-league career. Has appeared in only five games past three seasons.
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Did somebody say we could use one more arm?
He doesn't have a punchers chance of making a roster
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I know we go back and forth on this topic often but when it's all said and will Ryan Presley's jersey hang up in the rafters of MMP?
Dude has been nails during this Golden Era and an absolute professional in every sense.
Dude has been nails during this Golden Era and an absolute professional in every sense.
Probably not the rafters but the Astros Hall of Fame is a big possiblity.Ag_07 said:
I know we go back and forth on this topic often but when it's all said and will Ryan Presley's jersey hang up in the rafters of MMP?
Dude has been nails during this Golden Era and an absolute professional in every sense.
n_touch said:Probably not the rafters but the Astros Hall of Fame is a big possiblity.Ag_07 said:
I know we go back and forth on this topic often but when it's all said and will Ryan Presley's jersey hang up in the rafters of MMP?
Dude has been nails during this Golden Era and an absolute professional in every sense.
0% it'll be retired
99% he'll go into the Houston HOF
I think the only current guys who will have their jerseys retired would be Altuve, Yordan (if both stay their whole careers) and JV.
But ALOT of the guys from this run will be in the Astros HOF… Pressly included
But ALOT of the guys from this run will be in the Astros HOF… Pressly included
I would put all the following in the Hou HOF from the run
-Keuchel
-Verlander
-McCullers
-Altuve
-Bregman
-Correa
-Springer
-Gurriel
-Tucker
-Alvarez
-Framber
-Javier
-Pressly
-Pena (WS MVP alone earns it)
I am borderline on Brantley, McCormick (needs more years), Marwin, Morton, & Cole.
-Keuchel
-Verlander
-McCullers
-Altuve
-Bregman
-Correa
-Springer
-Gurriel
-Tucker
-Alvarez
-Framber
-Javier
-Pressly
-Pena (WS MVP alone earns it)
I am borderline on Brantley, McCormick (needs more years), Marwin, Morton, & Cole.
Farmer1906 said:
I would put all the following in the Hou HOF from the run
-Keuchel
-Verlander
-McCullers
-Altuve
-Bregman
-Correa
-Springer
-Gurriel
-Tucker
-Alvarez
-Framber
-Javier
-Pressly
-Pena (WS MVP alone earns it)
I am borderline on Brantley, McCormick (needs more years), Marwin, Morton, & Cole.
LMJ hasn't played enough IMHO to be included
PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:Farmer1906 said:
I would put all the following in the Hou HOF from the run
-Keuchel
-Verlander
-McCullers
-Altuve
-Bregman
-Correa
-Springer
-Gurriel
-Tucker
-Alvarez
-Framber
-Javier
-Pressly
-Pena (WS MVP alone earns it)
I am borderline on Brantley, McCormick (needs more years), Marwin, Morton, & Cole.
LMJ hasn't played enough IMHO to be included
He's pitched more than Framber & Javier. About the same as JV in an Astros uni.
2017-2021 he pitched plenty
Welp it's officially time for the Astros to do their thing ...
I would expect almost every player from the 2017 and 2022 teams to be in the Astros HoF someday
Farmer1906 said:
I would put all the following in the Hou HOF from the run
-Keuchel
-Verlander
-McCullers
-Altuve
-Bregman
-Correa
-Springer
-Gurriel
-Tucker
-Alvarez
-Framber
-Javier
-Pressly
-Pena (WS MVP alone earns it)
I am borderline on Brantley, McCormick (needs more years), Marwin, Morton, & Cole.
In regards to your list
- Keuchel (strong maybe from me)
-Verlander (yes)
-McCullers (if he comes back and produces, yes)
-Altuve (zero question)
-Bregman (yes)
-Correa (probably… but iffy)
-Springer (same as Correa but with the WS MVP)
-Gurriel (maybe)
-Tucker (needs another ring since he's likely gone)
-Alvarez (yes if he keeps it up)
-Framber (needs some hardware)
-Javier (same as Framber)
-Pressly (yes)
-Pena (yes unless he just falls off a cliff)
I think some of the guys you listed will but only if they keep up their current paces and/or bounce back to their 2022 forms (Javier and Pena)
I'd leave Marwin, Morton and Cole off. Marwin had the big game 2 HR but that HOF will be very crowded by the time he would come around
You've lost your damn mind if Correa and Springer are "iffy"
The bar for HOU HOF isn't anywhere near the actual HOF.
The bar for HOU HOF isn't anywhere near the actual HOF.
Farmer1906 said:
You've lost your damn mind if Correa and Springer are "iffy"
The bar for HOU HOF isn't anywhere near the actual HOF.
True… I guess I'm looking at it being like 2033 or so by the time any of those names pop up so I'm not sure who the ownership at that time will value.
I hope they are both in… I'm just predicting what I think the org would do by then.
W said:
I would expect almost every player from the 2017 and 2022 teams to be in the Astros HoF someday
Machete Hall of Fame confirmed!
I will say if I'm the Astros organization…. I'd schedule hall of fame weekend whenever all the 2017 guys come up for election on a series where we host the Dodgers or Yankees.
I miss George.
Brantley should get into the Astros HOF based in that 2019 ALCS double play alone
In fairness I did state in my honest opinion.
That you did.
We all have recency bias. Lance have given us 2-3 months in the last 2 years. But he was there to help us break the drought in '15, played a giant role in '17, pitched his arm off in '18, and was the ace of the staff in '20 & '21 when JV had TJ.
We all have recency bias. Lance have given us 2-3 months in the last 2 years. But he was there to help us break the drought in '15, played a giant role in '17, pitched his arm off in '18, and was the ace of the staff in '20 & '21 when JV had TJ.
Me too. One of my all time fav Astros. Hope he comes back at some point
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
I'm the rare Astros/Cowboys/Spurs fan. We do exist
Farmer1906 said:
That you did.
We all have recency bias. Lance have given us 2-3 months in the last 2 years. But he was there to help us break the drought in '15, played a giant role in '17, pitched his arm off in '18, and was the ace of the staff in '20 & '21 when JV had TJ.
Not to mention the very memorable 24 straight curve balls to the Yankees in a close out game 7.
Beat40 said:Farmer1906 said:
That you did.
We all have recency bias. Lance have given us 2-3 months in the last 2 years. But he was there to help us break the drought in '15, played a giant role in '17, pitched his arm off in '18, and was the ace of the staff in '20 & '21 when JV had TJ.
Not to mention the very memorable 24 straight curve balls to the Yankees in a close out game 7.
That is an absolute sack drag
right after McCann and Gattis
Deserves to be posted again.Sea Speed said:Beat40 said:Farmer1906 said:
That you did.
We all have recency bias. Lance have given us 2-3 months in the last 2 years. But he was there to help us break the drought in '15, played a giant role in '17, pitched his arm off in '18, and was the ace of the staff in '20 & '21 when JV had TJ.
Not to mention the very memorable 24 straight curve balls to the Yankees in a close out game 7.
That is an absolute sack drag
We won in 2017 because Hinch said **** the bullpen and let guys like Lance come in for 50+ pitches of shutdown relief. Need to learn from that.
Buck Compton said:Deserves to be posted again.Sea Speed said:Beat40 said:Farmer1906 said:
That you did.
We all have recency bias. Lance have given us 2-3 months in the last 2 years. But he was there to help us break the drought in '15, played a giant role in '17, pitched his arm off in '18, and was the ace of the staff in '20 & '21 when JV had TJ.
Not to mention the very memorable 24 straight curve balls to the Yankees in a close out game 7.
That is an absolute sack drag
We won in 2017 because Hinch said **** the bullpen and let guys like Lance come in for 50+ pitches of shutdown relief. Need to learn from that.
Brad peacock getting a save of more than 3 innings in the world series was amazing. That dude was freaking nails in the postseason.
EastCoastAgNc said:Buck Compton said:Deserves to be posted again.Sea Speed said:Beat40 said:Farmer1906 said:
That you did.
We all have recency bias. Lance have given us 2-3 months in the last 2 years. But he was there to help us break the drought in '15, played a giant role in '17, pitched his arm off in '18, and was the ace of the staff in '20 & '21 when JV had TJ.
Not to mention the very memorable 24 straight curve balls to the Yankees in a close out game 7.
That is an absolute sack drag
We won in 2017 because Hinch said **** the bullpen and let guys like Lance come in for 50+ pitches of shutdown relief. Need to learn from that.
Brad peacock getting a save of more than 3 innings in the world series was amazing. That dude was freaking nails in the postseason.
Except when he got overplayed in 2019
Farmer1906 said:
I would put all the following in the Hou HOF from the run
-Keuchel
-Verlander
-McCullers
-Altuve
-Bregman
-Correa
-Springer
-Gurriel
-Tucker
-Alvarez
-Framber
-Javier
-Pressly
-Pena (WS MVP alone earns it)
I am borderline on Brantley, McCormick (needs more years), Marwin, Morton, & Cole.
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