Maybe it'll work out winning-wise and maybe it won't, but they'll sell enough tickets and merch either way to make it a good business decision.Mathguy64 said:Ag_07 said:
I'm not saying the contract isn't ridiculous but Ohtani is legit and one of the all time greats already. He's not fool's gold.
That contract (if real) pays him $50MM to be DH for half of the 24 season. And then maybe pitch for 2-4 more seasons to then be a declining DH from age 36-41. And any time he's injured you have to replace two roster spots in one player. He's on TJ2 and had knee surgery that knocked him out once.
Father Time wins every time. That contract will be an albatross at some point. A dead smelly one at that.
It's like Toronto hasn't learned their lesson with George.
Having said that, $50MM/yr may be a bargain for top end players 3 years from now. Who knows.
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This is probably BS but…. Maybe not.
The Toronto Blue Jays have an offer north of 12 years for Shohei Ohtani. It’s the most AAV / total dollars in MLB history, were he to sign.
— Joe Randazzo 📚📕📖 (@LibrarianJoe_) December 8, 2023
Multiple opt-outs, as well.
The Dodgers fell out of favor after Dave Roberts mentioned LA spoke with Ohtani. The second that leaked… pic.twitter.com/JabPDewy5Y
Dave Roberts just keeps finding ways to cornhole his own team.
Harry Dunne said:
Dave Roberts just keeps finding ways to cornhole his own team.
Maybe he did it on purpose because he didn't want the team to waste the money there.
Live from the streets of Toronto this morning: #Ohtani #bluejays #MLB #OhtaniWatch #Toronto pic.twitter.com/AVtbUzDmvi
— Kyle Andrew (@KyleAndrewTweet) December 8, 2023
Doubtful. Not every blunder is somebody playing 4-D chess.PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:Harry Dunne said:
Dave Roberts just keeps finding ways to cornhole his own team.
Maybe he did it on purpose because he didn't want the team to waste the money there.
Maybe he left Darvish in so long in the '17 WS G7 on purpose because they were also cheating but he didn't want to be the scapegoat.PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:Harry Dunne said:
Dave Roberts just keeps finding ways to cornhole his own team.
Maybe he did it on purpose because he didn't want the team to waste the money there.
Wait….
So someone leaking Toronto's offer is saying LA fell out of favor when their talks were leaked….
So someone leaking Toronto's offer is saying LA fell out of favor when their talks were leaked….
htxag09 said:
Wait….
So someone leaking Toronto's offer is saying LA fell out of favor when their talks were leaked….
Lol.
They way I'm understanding it is the internet sleuths are at it again and have connected the dots.
The only person claiming to have info on the deal is that unverified account posted above who's profile literally says 'No sources'.
The only person claiming to have info on the deal is that unverified account posted above who's profile literally says 'No sources'.
I've been adamant he'll his total contract will be $500M or more this entire time. Farmer has posted some projections from some website (I can't remember where) for Ohtani less than $500M, which seems wrong to me. I'll be excited to see if I'm right.Mathguy64 said:Ag_07 said:
I'm not saying the contract isn't ridiculous but Ohtani is legit and one of the all time greats already. He's not fool's gold.
That contract (if real) pays him $50MM to be DH for half of the 24 season. And then maybe pitch for 2-4 more seasons to then be a declining DH from age 36-41. And any time he's injured you have to replace two roster spots in one player. He's on TJ2 and had knee surgery that knocked him out once.
Father Time wins every time. That contract will be an albatross at some point. A dead smelly one at that.
It's like Toronto hasn't learned their lesson with George.
Having said that, $50MM/yr may be a bargain for top end players 3 years from now. Who knows.
I'd say as a hitter you can compare him to Judge, so a total contract of $360M.
I'd say as a pitcher, you can compare him to Nola, so a total contract of $172M.
That's a total of $532M. I think the hitting contract of $360M is the most solid. Even if you say as a pitcher his total contract should be $140M, that's $500M right there.
the problem for the Blue Jays...
they're not getting 2021-2022-2023 Ohtani...when he was mega-outstanding. The Angels got those seasons.
he turns 30 years old in July...and will be great for a few more seasons...
but then father time...
they're not getting 2021-2022-2023 Ohtani...when he was mega-outstanding. The Angels got those seasons.
he turns 30 years old in July...and will be great for a few more seasons...
but then father time...
Mr.Bond said:
I'll be legit shocked if he leaves LA. Especially for Toronto
I would, however, be legit for it.
But man - I bet they make at least have that salary back over the next 3 years, especially if they look like they can make deep postseason runs.W said:
the problem for the Blue Jays...
they're not getting 2021-2022-2023 Ohtani...when he was mega-outstanding. The Angels got those seasons.
he turns 30 years old in July...and will be great for a few more seasons...
but then father time...
We have lift-off!! #BlueJays #Ohtani pic.twitter.com/1o9oIVi2sa
— Chris Green (@chrisgreen86) December 8, 2023
*Yankees get Juan Soto*
— Thomas Carrieri (@Thomas_Carrieri) December 8, 2023
*Blue Jays get Shohei Ohtani*
*Orioles get new owner*
*Rays get new ballpark*
John Henry to Red Sox fans: … pic.twitter.com/tzXCQFPsIb
Imagine if all the red sox do is give up Verdugo and sign Maldy...their fans would be LIVID
Toronto has been an interesting team the past few years.
Not sure why they haven't won more with the talent they have.
Not sure why they haven't won more with the talent they have.
Pitching, mostly bullpen.Ag_07 said:
Toronto has been an interesting team the past few years.
Not sure why they haven't won more with the talent they have.
The Rangers seem unlikely to bring back Jordan Montgomery due to the financial uncertainty of losing local TV deal.
— Texas Rangers Insider (@RangersInsiders) December 8, 2023
Per, @Ken_Rosenthal pic.twitter.com/ndI8VWuzf1
Could we bring him in on a decent deal? I know we don't necessarily need another starter, but would he be open to long relief?
Not a chance. He just earned himself something like 6/160 with what he did this year. He's gonna get paid.All I do is Nguyen said:The Rangers seem unlikely to bring back Jordan Montgomery due to the financial uncertainty of losing local TV deal.
— Texas Rangers Insider (@RangersInsiders) December 8, 2023
Per, @Ken_Rosenthal pic.twitter.com/ndI8VWuzf1
Could we bring him in on a decent deal? I know we don't necessarily need another starter, but would he be open to long relief?
Beat40 said:Not a chance. He just earned himself something line 6/160 with what he did this year. He's gonna get paid.All I do is Nguyen said:The Rangers seem unlikely to bring back Jordan Montgomery due to the financial uncertainty of losing local TV deal.
— Texas Rangers Insider (@RangersInsiders) December 8, 2023
Per, @Ken_Rosenthal pic.twitter.com/ndI8VWuzf1
Could we bring him in on a decent deal? I know we don't necessarily need another starter, but would he be open to long relief?
Yup and we don't have the money to pay him.
This is in my top 3 of memes, all timeEastCoastAgNc said:Live from the streets of Toronto this morning: #Ohtani #bluejays #MLB #OhtaniWatch #Toronto pic.twitter.com/AVtbUzDmvi
— Kyle Andrew (@KyleAndrewTweet) December 8, 2023
Dude is a bonified #2 possibly #1 on some staffs.
This is crazy. Can't believe he actually picked Toronto. Good for him. https://t.co/NJJiACUmmz
— Michael Connor (@MConnorRadio) December 8, 2023
Ag_07 said:
Dude is a bonified #2 possibly #1 on some staffs.
He was their #1 performer through this last playoffs, and honestly there is no way they would even make the playoffs without him.
With the Dodgers missing out on Ohtani, he is probably one of the guys they'll back up the Brinks truck for.FrioAg 00 said:Ag_07 said:
Dude is a bonified #2 possibly #1 on some staffs.
He was their #1 performer through this last playoffs, and honestly there is no way they would even make the playoffs without him.
Wild day of Shohei Ohtani rumors:
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) December 8, 2023
Ohtani has not made a decision to sign with the Toronto Blue Jays, or any team, as of yet.
The cynical part of me thinks this is Blue Jays execs throwing this out there to deflect and not Dave Roberts the hell out of this.Farmer1906 said:Wild day of Shohei Ohtani rumors:
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) December 8, 2023
Ohtani has not made a decision to sign with the Toronto Blue Jays, or any team, as of yet.
We always knew he was the best, but now he has the hardware to prove it. Congratulations Orbit for winning mascot of the year! pic.twitter.com/YhVosab2C0
— Houston Astros (@astros) December 8, 2023
Someone posted Pics of Orbit celebrating tonight
Shohei should just enter the transfer portal. Get himself a nice #NIL deal
— Robert Flores (@RoFlo) December 8, 2023
SIAP but has anyone else in the division gotten anyone notable or lost anyone notable? I've only been paying attention to Astros news. TIA
Rangers signed a reliever, Mariners have traded away a bunch of guys for some minor league lottery tickets, Angels and A's haven't done anything.stoneca said:
SIAP but has anyone else in the division gotten anyone notable or lost anyone notable? I've only been paying attention to Astros news. TIA
Whoa, don't forget the A's picked up Astros legend Abraham Toro
spadilly said:
Whoa, don't forget the A's picked up Astros legend Abraham Toro
Well that answers the "Where the **** is Toro?" question.
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