***Official Houston Astros 2023-24 Offseason Thread*** [Staff Warning - OP]

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In reply to Pappy Van Winkle • 7:24p, 11/5/23
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He absolutely deserves it this year. He was solid every time he was out there.
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7:29p, 11/5/23
A true utility guy who can play every infield position and centerfield while putting up a 2-3 WAR is worth his weight in gold.
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 9:22p, 11/5/23
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:
tjack16 said:
Here's my order of fandom

1A. Aggie football
1B. Astros
1C. Aggie baseball
2. Aggie basketball
3. Texans
4. Rockets
5. All other Aggie sports
false.

1. Astros
2. Aggie Football
3. Aggie baseball

Who cares after that
1. Astros
2. My fantasy football teams
3. Reminicising about the Oilers
4. Texans
5. Beating my 11 year old daughter on Mario Kart
6. Amassing a fortune as my alter ego, Admiral Snackbar, on the Star Wars Galaxies Emulator
7. Rockets
8. My fantasy baseball team
9. My fantasy basketball team
10. Playing Uno on my phone
11. Aggie football
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11:07p, 11/5/23
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Espada makes sense but do the Astros need a shock to the system from outside the organization?



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In reply to BadAggie • 11:10p, 11/5/23
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Espada makes sense but do the Astros need a shock to the system from outside the organization?





Don't think so.

Just need a manager that doesn't have Dusty's warts
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5:47a, 11/6/23
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In reply to Frok • 6:11a, 11/6/23
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Dusty just has a gut feeling Davis Mills has great success against Bengals
No matter what!
Epstein didn't do, you know, the thing...
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In reply to Frok • 8:03a, 11/6/23
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I'm sure we'll thank him later.
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8:30a, 11/6/23
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8:34a, 11/6/23
Was the Verlander/Scherzer deals the start of an "arms" race?
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 8:34a, 11/6/23
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So the Rangers are going to sign Ohtani, Hader, and Montgomery? Wow, good on them.
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8:35a, 11/6/23
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I get the feeling the Rangers are going to spend spend spend this offseason. They are going to try and be the Yankees and just throw money at everyone. Not to the Mets level but they are going to ignore the CBT implications.
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 9:10a, 11/6/23
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I get the feeling the Rangers are going to spend spend spend this offseason. They are going to try and be the Yankees and just throw money at everyone. Not to the Mets level but they are going to ignore the CBT implications.
Its worked out so well for the Yankees, so why not follow that route?
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 9:12a, 11/6/23
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I get the feeling the Rangers are going to spend spend spend this offseason. They are going to try and be the Yankees and just throw money at everyone. Not to the Mets level but they are going to ignore the CBT implications.
Yep this will either work out great or crash and burn, i don't think there is any middle ground for them
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9:25a, 11/6/23
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Today is the day FA can sign with new teams. I wouldn't expect anything too crazy today. The big stuff usually starts around winter meetings and then can carry into the new year.
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9:42a, 11/6/23
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Ken Rosenthal on his Foul Territory podcast says he thinks Crane is making the call, not Brown. Says Espada is the obvious candidate, but Crane may want a bigger candidate. Mentions Ausmus and mentions Ausmus failing twice.

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In reply to Wabs • 9:53a, 11/6/23
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Wabs said:
Mathguy64 said:
I get the feeling the Rangers are going to spend spend spend this offseason. They are going to try and be the Yankees and just throw money at everyone. Not to the Mets level but they are going to ignore the CBT implications.
Its worked out so well for the Yankees, so why not follow that route?
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I sure thought the Yankees were the team said to have the most success in the last couple of decades before the Stros took the crown the last 7 years. Even if they underperformed compared to spend / expectations by everyone else.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 9:57a, 11/6/23
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AgLA06 said:
Wabs said:
Mathguy64 said:
I get the feeling the Rangers are going to spend spend spend this offseason. They are going to try and be the Yankees and just throw money at everyone. Not to the Mets level but they are going to ignore the CBT implications.
Its worked out so well for the Yankees, so why not follow that route?
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I sure thought the Yankees were the team said to have the most success in the last couple of decades before the Stros took the crown the last 7 years. Even if they underperformed compared to spend / expectations by everyone else.


Depends on how far back you go. KC & Cleveland flashed. Rangers had a nice 2 year streak. Before us the Red Sox were the top AL team if you look at a ~10-15 year window.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 9:57a, 11/6/23
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Ken Rosenthal on his Foul Territory podcast says he thinks Crane is making the call, not Brown.

Someone help me to understand why this shouldn't be the case? He's owner and de facto President of Baseball Ops until he decides not to be and Dana's boss, correct? I'm sure Dana and others have input, but why is he having final say somehow surprising or not correct?




Says Espada is the obvious candidate, but Crane may want a bigger candidate. Mentions Ausmus and mentions Ausmus failing twice.

I get this as well. Espada is the obvious candidate and you have him in the bag. I think Ausmus is a joke and nothing more than a made up hit by those that don't like Bagwell (right or wrong). Why wouldn't Crane explore bigger splash names if he knows he has Espada in the bag?
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:02a, 11/6/23
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Farmer1906 said:
AgLA06 said:
Wabs said:
Mathguy64 said:
I get the feeling the Rangers are going to spend spend spend this offseason. They are going to try and be the Yankees and just throw money at everyone. Not to the Mets level but they are going to ignore the CBT implications.
Its worked out so well for the Yankees, so why not follow that route?
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I sure thought the Yankees were the team said to have the most success in the last couple of decades before the Stros took the crown the last 7 years. Even if they underperformed compared to spend / expectations by everyone else.


Depends on how far back you go. KC & Cleveland flashed. Rangers had a nice 2 year streak. Before us the Red Sox were the top AL team if you look at a ~10-15 year window.
Didn't Baltimore go on a huge spending spree 10-15 years ago? And got nothing out of it. And look at the Angels for the past 2 decades. Spending massive amounts on every "hot" FA every year leads to nothing, more times than it leads to championships IMO.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:03a, 11/6/23
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Farmer1906 said:
AgLA06 said:
Wabs said:
Mathguy64 said:
I get the feeling the Rangers are going to spend spend spend this offseason. They are going to try and be the Yankees and just throw money at everyone. Not to the Mets level but they are going to ignore the CBT implications.
Its worked out so well for the Yankees, so why not follow that route?
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I sure thought the Yankees were the team said to have the most success in the last couple of decades before the Stros took the crown the last 7 years. Even if they underperformed compared to spend / expectations by everyone else.


Depends on how far back you go. KC & Cleveland flashed. Rangers had a nice 2 year streak. Before us the Red Sox were the top AL team if you look at a ~10-15 year window.
Yankees since 1996

WS Appearances (titles bold): 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2009

ALCS Appearance (wins bold) 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2009, 2010, 2012, 2017, 2019, 2022

36% of the time being a final 4 team over 36 years. Seems pretty impressive to me (even if I strongly disliked them and their payroll).
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In reply to AgLA06 • 10:20a, 11/6/23
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Everyone knows the Yankees were good. Once teams got smarter their spending spree dynasty ended. Where would you rank the over the last 10 years? Would they crack the top 5 in the AL?
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:25a, 11/6/23
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The death of George lines up fairly well with them no longer dominating.
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10:32a, 11/6/23
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Whoa... didn't see this coming. That said, he's super well respected across baseball. This will be fun to keep track of.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 10:35a, 11/6/23
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Player to the bullpen and quality control coach to manager in 2 years.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 10:36a, 11/6/23
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Whoa... didn't see this coming. That said, he's super well respected across baseball. This will be fun to keep track of.
YoU mEaN yOuR sOuRcE dIdN't KnOw!!! WhAt KiNd Of iNsIdEr ArE yOu???!!!



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In reply to AgLA06 • 10:38a, 11/6/23
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AgLA06 said:
Farmer1906 said:
Ken Rosenthal on his Foul Territory podcast says he thinks Crane is making the call, not Brown.

Someone help me to understand why this shouldn't be the case? He's owner and de facto President of Baseball Ops until he decides not to be and Dana's boss, correct? I'm sure Dana and others have input, but why is he having final say somehow surprising or not correct?




Says Espada is the obvious candidate, but Crane may want a bigger candidate. Mentions Ausmus and mentions Ausmus failing twice.

I get this as well. Espada is the obvious candidate and you have him in the bag. I think Ausmus is a joke and nothing more than a made up hit by those that don't like Bagwell (right or wrong). Why wouldn't Crane explore bigger splash names if he knows he has Espada in the bag?
It just depends on how the org is run. It is very clear. Crane is running the show. He's probably one of the most involved owners in baseball. If it ends up being someone other than Espada, it's not a great look for Brown. Its probably also the end of Espada's time here.

I am all for interviewing the top candidates and doing due diligence. If there is someone clearly better than Joe then go get him. I don't love the idea of hiring a "name" for the sake of hiring a "name".
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 10:47a, 11/6/23
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Farmer1906 said:
Everyone knows the Yankees were good. Once teams got smarter their spending spree dynasty ended. Where would you rank the over the last 10 years? Would they crack the top 5 in the AL?
They suck and screwed up with the Judge contract. That's why I said one of if not the best team before the Astros run (last 7 years).
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 11:09a, 11/6/23
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Secretly hoping we aren't an option so we can hire Espada and start the next chapter running.
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11:10a, 11/6/23
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Joe has earned his shot.

I don't think we need to hire a name just to hire one. Let Dana make his pick.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 11:12a, 11/6/23
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This will be the first domino. I expect things to start moving after this
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In reply to AgLA06 • 11:13a, 11/6/23
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Counsell is the better candidate

This seems really quick to be making a decision. Has anyone even interviewed and offered him?

All I recall seeing is that certain teams are interested and he's a candidate at various places.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 11:15a, 11/6/23
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Farmer1906 said:

I'm guessing he'll replace Leclerc as the closer? Good step to fixing their bullpen problems. The Hader vs Yordan matchup will be a fun one.
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