gigem1223 said:

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shack009 said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Years like this don't come around too often. I'm of the opinion they should go all-in to get a championship now. Seager/ Semien/ Eovaldi are all in their prime. Go get a proven TORP like Ohtani and a BP arm or two and let's go win this thing. The farm is deep enough and we can't keep all the pieces.

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Didn't we say that when we went and got Cliff Lee? The biggest issue to address is the bullpen, which is great because you don't have to break the bank for a bullpen arm.

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Not sure I get your point here? Lee was well worth the investment. We dont make the WS without him.

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My point was just that we didn't get the championship.

Would have been nice to get Dunning back to the pen but I guess we can get an arm or two at trade deadline. Just hope they aren't too costly.

That's why you don't add someone who is a rental. Go get someone who has term left on their contract, or someone looking to get out of a bad team and sign a long term deal.

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We need more. Hard not to get really upset with sinking money into deGrom. Just an overall poor investment that the baseball world will have the "I told you so card" for. On the bright side, he's only signed for four more years (not eight or something ridiculous) and we've got some young guys coming who can hopefully be good to great.

It also makes pitcher a more interesting position of need. After this season Jon Gray is the only guy signed for more than a year (not counting deGrom because we won't see him again until 2025). So getting someone with some term would be rather nice.

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I don't think that is righ about being signed.
Perez - FA after 2023
Eovaldi - Vesting Player option for 2025
Dunning is an Arb1 next year.

So, 2024:
Eovaldi (34) - $17
Heaney (33) - $13M
Gray (32) - $13M
Dunning (29) - Arb1

2025 could be:
Eovaldi
Gray
Dunning
deGrom

Not terrible. I think Perez would likely go another 1yr deal for 2024. But, more interesting would be some of the young talent. If Dunning slides into a #4 role... we have a number of guys that eventually get the call.

Leiter: (23-AA)
White (23-AA)
Bradford (25-AAA)

Leiter has to be ready in 2024, right?! Could be a Perez signing, move Dunning into the rotation, and use Leiter for long-relief to adjust.

I didn't know Eovaldi had a player option for 2025. Thank goodness. I know Dunning is having a really good year, but I'm not counting on him to be a long term starter. He just doesn't have the stuff to be a long term solution, just my opinion. So next year you'll need at least one, possibly two starters, and then in 2025 you'll probably for sure need two starters. I want the minor league guys to work just as much as everyone, but if you can get a good/great MLB starting pitcher, you do it. I'm going to look into names later.

I think retirement is more likely than DeGrom actually coming back and being a consistent contributor for us. Give him the closer roll when he comes back and be done with it.

deGrom could come back stronger and be our ace for the next 5 years or so . . . We'll see. Could set up an amazing run of baseball for our team, after we win it all this season too . . . We can compete. Enjoy the ride.

Txhuntr said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Years like this don't come around too often. I'm of the opinion they should go all-in to get a championship now. Seager/ Semien/ Eovaldi are all in their prime. Go get a proven TORP like Ohtani and a BP arm or two and let's go win this thing. The farm is deep enough and we can't keep all the pieces.

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Remember when the padres did that, and are now almost cellar dwellers with no ring to show for it? The rangers have done this right, let's not sell the farm (literally) because we've assembled a team that can generally compete a year or two early. Let's get these farm arms up here and reassess in a year or two

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In fairness, Preller is a bit of a loose cannon. When he arrived, he traded and signed like 3 corner OFs
and ended up without a CF. I don't recall if they just sucked it at CF, or he ended up trading for a CF.

Preller is a huge gambler and likes to wheel-and-deal.

Having said that... home grown talent is often the way to go...

It seems like people are completely counting out Leiter as a contributor later this season, be it as a starter or as a reliever.

Is it crazy to think he could help this team win games late in the year and in to the playoffs?

Look at his last 5-10 starts. Control has been much better.

shack009 said:

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It seems like people are completely counting out Leiter as a contributor later this season, be it as a starter or as a reliever.

Is it crazy to think he could help this team win games late in the year and in to the playoffs?

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I think it is crazy.

He isn't on the 40, so, bringing in a AA SP to hold a roster spot that you don't think he'll last is a huge risk. Not just the MLB pressure, but being brought in for a playoff run would amplify the pressure on a guy that hasn't proven he is ready.

We need RP and the only real SP we should consider would be proven contributors, IMO.

Proposition Joe said:

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shack009 said:

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It seems like people are completely counting out Leiter as a contributor later this season, be it as a starter or as a reliever.

Is it crazy to think he could help this team win games late in the year and in to the playoffs?

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Not crazy, just not something I'd count on. He's walking 5+ per 9IP at AA. Until he gets that sub-4, he's not going to be a contributor on the ML level.

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https://www.si.com/mlb/rangers/news/texas-rangers-jack-leiter-quality-start-frisco-roughriders-minor-league-update

He lowered his ERA by 3 runs over the past month. It seems like he is starting to settle in.

But I didn't realize he isn't on the 40, so it appears unlikely he'll help this year.

At this point Leiter is 2024 in my opinion.

Txhuntr said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Years like this don't come around too often. I'm of the opinion they should go all-in to get a championship now. Seager/ Semien/ Eovaldi are all in their prime. Go get a proven TORP like Ohtani and a BP arm or two and let's go win this thing. The farm is deep enough and we can't keep all the pieces.

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Remember when the padres did that, and are now almost cellar dwellers with no ring to show for it? The rangers have done this right, let's not sell the farm (literally) because we've assembled a team that can generally compete a year or two early. Let's get these farm arms up here and reassess in a year or two

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So you would just settle for playoffs with a team setting franchise records? This is the time to go for it. You have several prospects that you're going to lose to arbitration anyways. There's no room for all of them. Also, how often do these prospects pan out? All the trades made in the glory days over a decade ago panned out to mostly nothing. Ohtani is a generational talent that can strengthen both the rotation and line up. No brainer IMO. Who knows, maybe they can sign him long term as well.

Ohtani/ Eovaldi/ Gray/ Dunning/ Perez

Semien
Seager
Ohtani
Lowe
Garcia
Jung
Heim/ Garver
Duran
Taveras

Good luck beating that in a 7 game series.

rbtexan said:

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Look at his last 5-10 starts. Control has been much better.

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His last 10 starts has been the entire season -- which is where he's put up a 5+ BB/9IP.

It's definitely improved over his last 5... But 2 starts ago he still walked 7 in 4IP.

And that's at the AA level.

Unless you're Nolan Ryan, having a BB/9IP above 4 in the big leagues is not going to cut it.

gigem1223 said:

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Txhuntr said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Years like this don't come around too often. I'm of the opinion they should go all-in to get a championship now. Seager/ Semien/ Eovaldi are all in their prime. Go get a proven TORP like Ohtani and a BP arm or two and let's go win this thing. The farm is deep enough and we can't keep all the pieces.

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Remember when the padres did that, and are now almost cellar dwellers with no ring to show for it? The rangers have done this right, let's not sell the farm (literally) because we've assembled a team that can generally compete a year or two early. Let's get these farm arms up here and reassess in a year or two

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So you would just settle for playoffs with a team setting franchise records? This is the time to go for it. You have several prospects that you're going to lose to arbitration anyways. There's no room for all of them. Also, how often do these prospects pan out? All the trades made in the glory days over a decade ago panned out to mostly nothing. Ohtani is a generational talent that can strengthen both the rotation and line up. No brainer IMO. Who knows, maybe they can sign him long term as well.

Ohtani/ Eovaldi/ Gray/ Dunning/ Perez

Semien
Seager
Ohtani
Lowe
Garcia
Jung
Heim/ Garver
Duran
Taveras

Good luck beating that in a 7 game series.

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None of the prospects you are losing in arbitration would be key pieces in a deal for Ohtani.

The discussion for him would begin with Evan Carter + Jack Leiter + others.

gigem1223 said:

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Txhuntr said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Years like this don't come around too often. I'm of the opinion they should go all-in to get a championship now. Seager/ Semien/ Eovaldi are all in their prime. Go get a proven TORP like Ohtani and a BP arm or two and let's go win this thing. The farm is deep enough and we can't keep all the pieces.

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Remember when the padres did that, and are now almost cellar dwellers with no ring to show for it? The rangers have done this right, let's not sell the farm (literally) because we've assembled a team that can generally compete a year or two early. Let's get these farm arms up here and reassess in a year or two

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So you would just settle for playoffs with a team setting franchise records? This is the time to go for it. You have several prospects that you're going to lose to arbitration anyways. There's no room for all of them. Also, how often do these prospects pan out? All the trades made in the glory days over a decade ago panned out to mostly nothing. Ohtani is a generational talent that can strengthen both the rotation and line up. No brainer IMO. Who knows, maybe they can sign him long term as well.

Ohtani/ Eovaldi/ Gray/ Dunning/ Perez

Semien
Seager
Ohtani
Lowe
Garcia
Jung
Heim/ Garver
Duran
Taveras

Good luck beating that in a 7 game series.

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I think you are underestimating the haul it would take to get him. Even if we did get him, the team still needs bullpen help. So now we've completely decimated our farm for a 1-year swing.

I understand the impulse, but I just don't think it's a good way to run a franchise.

Proposition Joe said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Txhuntr said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Years like this don't come around too often. I'm of the opinion they should go all-in to get a championship now. Seager/ Semien/ Eovaldi are all in their prime. Go get a proven TORP like Ohtani and a BP arm or two and let's go win this thing. The farm is deep enough and we can't keep all the pieces.

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Remember when the padres did that, and are now almost cellar dwellers with no ring to show for it? The rangers have done this right, let's not sell the farm (literally) because we've assembled a team that can generally compete a year or two early. Let's get these farm arms up here and reassess in a year or two

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So you would just settle for playoffs with a team setting franchise records? This is the time to go for it. You have several prospects that you're going to lose to arbitration anyways. There's no room for all of them. Also, how often do these prospects pan out? All the trades made in the glory days over a decade ago panned out to mostly nothing. Ohtani is a generational talent that can strengthen both the rotation and line up. No brainer IMO. Who knows, maybe they can sign him long term as well.

Ohtani/ Eovaldi/ Gray/ Dunning/ Perez

Semien
Seager
Ohtani
Lowe
Garcia
Jung
Heim/ Garver
Duran
Taveras

Good luck beating that in a 7 game series.

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None of the prospects you are losing in arbitration would be key pieces in a deal for Ohtani.

The discussion for him would begin with Evan Carter + Jack Leiter + others.

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Negative. Not for a 3 month rental. Was just reading an article predicting the dodgers and had them giving up their 2,6,7,13 prospects. That's equivalent of White, Foscue, Harris and Winn in the Rangers system. Again, no brainer.

I wasn't sure how many games he had pitched, I wasn't able to look it up before I posted. However ...

In May, Leiter's stats in 5 starts.

27 IP
13 H
13 BB
33 K
1.67 ERA
.148 Opponents BA

That's a hell of a lot better than April's 5 starts:

20 IP
22 H
15 BB
29 K
6.75 ERA
.282 Opponents BA

Both his hits & walks have dropped considerably. Now granted the control isn't where you'd prefer to see it, but it's trending upwards and the 7 BB game you referenced seems to be an anomaly since he turned things arond on May 5th.

All that being said, Leiter shouldn't be considered as an option this year, unless it's a brief callup in Sept. I do expect him to contend for a spot on the roster in '24.

Heres the thing about trades….. you can offer Winn, Huff, Acuna and Valdez, just acquired from the Dodgers. If the Angels say no then so be it. If the Angels are confident they are going to lose him they are taking the best trade. Now how many teams are willing to gut their farm system + be ready to hand out a $500 million dollar contract….. im thinking less than 10 teams probably less than 7. Make a decent offer but not a farm system killer

gigem1223 said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Txhuntr said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Years like this don't come around too often. I'm of the opinion they should go all-in to get a championship now. Seager/ Semien/ Eovaldi are all in their prime. Go get a proven TORP like Ohtani and a BP arm or two and let's go win this thing. The farm is deep enough and we can't keep all the pieces.

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Remember when the padres did that, and are now almost cellar dwellers with no ring to show for it? The rangers have done this right, let's not sell the farm (literally) because we've assembled a team that can generally compete a year or two early. Let's get these farm arms up here and reassess in a year or two

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So you would just settle for playoffs with a team setting franchise records? This is the time to go for it. You have several prospects that you're going to lose to arbitration anyways. There's no room for all of them. Also, how often do these prospects pan out? All the trades made in the glory days over a decade ago panned out to mostly nothing. Ohtani is a generational talent that can strengthen both the rotation and line up. No brainer IMO. Who knows, maybe they can sign him long term as well.

Ohtani/ Eovaldi/ Gray/ Dunning/ Perez

Semien
Seager
Ohtani
Lowe
Garcia
Jung
Heim/ Garver
Duran
Taveras

Good luck beating that in a 7 game series.

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None of the prospects you are losing in arbitration would be key pieces in a deal for Ohtani.

The discussion for him would begin with Evan Carter + Jack Leiter + others.

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Negative. Not for a 3 month rental. Was just reading an article predicting the dodgers and had them giving up their 2,6,7,13 prospects. That's equivalent of White, Foscue, Harris and Winn in the Rangers system. Again, no brainer.

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That's not the equivalent at all.

The Dodgers #2 prospect is Bobby Miller. A Top 20 prospect in baseball that is Major League ready. Their #6 prospect is Top 75 in baseball and is a near Major League ready outfielder with major pop.

Owen White is sporting a 4+ ERA in AAA so far this season with his K rate way down. He won't even be in the Top 100 mid-season prospect list.

Foscue is a "hit for average" middle infielder with little pop. Also will not even be in the Top 100 mid-season prospect list.

The equivalent from Texas would have been Duran, Taveras + others. But seeing as they look to be staying on the big league club, you'd be talking Carter and Leither. Angels aren't trading arguably the best player in baseball -- who plays both ways -- for a AA middle-infielder who hits for average as one of the top pieces.

That's why I said (ignoring the roster restriction) "I wouldn't count on Leiter" -- simply because he COULD greatly improve his walk rate.

But 4+ walks per 9IP as his "improved" stats is still nowhere near major league ready. You walk a batter every other inning in bigs you are going to give up 5+ runs a game.

alvtimes said:

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Heres the thing about trades….. you can offer Winn, Huff, Acuna and Valdez, just acquired from the Dodgers. If the Angels say no then so be it. If the Angels are confident they are going to lose him they are taking the best trade. Now how many teams are willing to gut their farm system + be ready to hand out a $500 million dollar contract….. im thinking less than 10 teams probably less than 7. Make a decent offer but not a farm system killer

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You will have to beat the Dodgers offer. The Dodgers view themselves as World Series contenders but more importantly they gain value in the trade by having 3 months of exclusive negotiating with Ohtani.

you dont HAVE to beat the Dodgers….. Make ur offer, if another team has a better offer so be, you keep ur prospects and move on. Like I said, there are only a handful of teams in the hunt….. at this point payroll wise, Im not even sure the Rangers are in the hunt payroll wise

Lowe Show

Decided to wait for bases loaded to extend his hit streak

Crazy the difference of years Semi is having from last year to this year..