Yeah this is all moot. Rangers have a great team currently in the majors and a ton of great prospects ready to break in soon. Don't upset the apple cart just because the good season came a little sooner than expected.rbtexan said:
The Rangers aren't going to trade for Ohtani, nor should they.
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I don't think adding Ohtani would be upsetting the apple cart. He would make this team a World Series favorite. However, there's about a 0.0% chance we're trading for him. Ohtani is going to be a Dodger and it's almost set in stone imo.
A career .240 hitter without power, without speed... and serviceable on defense.fc2112 said:
Calhoun is in his 7th season of big league ball, an everyday player for the Yankees. Not too shabby.
Oh how the mighty NYY have fallen.
Great question...bmac_aggie18 said:
Wonder what Foscue would say if he was being compared to Willie Calhoun
MLB Career
Calhoun (28.214): 292 G, .240, 35 HR in 7 seasons
Foscue (24.096): NA
Age 24 seasons in the minors:
Calhoun (24-AAA): 41G, .297, 8 HR, 1 SB
Foscue (24-AAA): 52G, .287 BA, 8 HR, 7 SB
Age 24 season in MLB
Calhoun (24): 131 G, .258, 24 HR
Foscue: TBD
Looks like time for a callup.
https://www.si.com/mlb/astros/news/looking-back-houston-astros-trade-justin-verlander-detroit-tigersshack009 said:Yeah this is all moot. Rangers have a great team currently in the majors and a ton of great prospects ready to break in soon. Don't upset the apple cart just because the good season came a little sooner than expected.rbtexan said:
The Rangers aren't going to trade for Ohtani, nor should they.
Send LAA a bag of dog**** like Houston did with Detroit when they stole JV.
I think there are significant differences between JV and Shohei. First, Shohei plays everyday and doesn't just pitch. Second, Verlander was already like 35 at the time of that trade. Shohei is 28 and looking at getting a 10-year contract.South Platte said:https://www.si.com/mlb/astros/news/looking-back-houston-astros-trade-justin-verlander-detroit-tigersshack009 said:Yeah this is all moot. Rangers have a great team currently in the majors and a ton of great prospects ready to break in soon. Don't upset the apple cart just because the good season came a little sooner than expected.rbtexan said:
The Rangers aren't going to trade for Ohtani, nor should they.
Send LAA a bag of dog**** like Houston did with Detroit when they stole JV.
Simple economics... buy when others are selling... sell when others are buying.South Platte said:https://www.si.com/mlb/astros/news/looking-back-houston-astros-trade-justin-verlander-detroit-tigersshack009 said:Yeah this is all moot. Rangers have a great team currently in the majors and a ton of great prospects ready to break in soon. Don't upset the apple cart just because the good season came a little sooner than expected.rbtexan said:
The Rangers aren't going to trade for Ohtani, nor should they.
Send LAA a bag of dog**** like Houston did with Detroit when they stole JV.
When we were selling Darvish, everyone was selling. Same with Detroit and Verlander.
This could be a great season to buy. Especially if we continue to win.
Dodgers have 3 UFAs coming up after the season: Kershaw (12GS), Urias (10GS-10IL/Hammy), and Syndergaard (11GS). May (9GS) has been their best SP and is now on the 60IR. Kershaw is past due for a IL stint.
Between the Yanks and Dodgers injuries, this could be a season strike hard.
You're suggesting that the Yankees and Dodgers will also be buying, correct?
The other difference was Verlander was owed an additional $28 for '18 and '19, and vesting option for 2020. 18GS into the season, he was at 4.73 ERA and Detroit was full of panic do dump his salary. His ERA in July was improving, but I think Detroit was only hoping it'd be enough to dump him.shack009 said:I think there are significant differences between JV and Shohei. First, Shohei plays everyday and doesn't just pitch. Second, Verlander was already like 35 at the time of that trade. Shohei is 28 and looking at getting a 10-year contract.South Platte said:https://www.si.com/mlb/astros/news/looking-back-houston-astros-trade-justin-verlander-detroit-tigersshack009 said:Yeah this is all moot. Rangers have a great team currently in the majors and a ton of great prospects ready to break in soon. Don't upset the apple cart just because the good season came a little sooner than expected.rbtexan said:
The Rangers aren't going to trade for Ohtani, nor should they.
Send LAA a bag of dog**** like Houston did with Detroit when they stole JV.
They agreed to pay $8M to Houston in '18 and '19.
He was seen as a salary dump by Detroit and not necessarily a coveted SP for a playoff team.
After the performance in 2017, many believed he was just not wanting to be in Detroit and saw improving his performance in July as a means to get out.
I'm concerned they will linger and become buyers.Tksymm7 said:
You're suggesting that the Yankees and Dodgers will also be buying, correct?
I'm hoping if we continue to do well and they continue to struggle... they'll hold.
In the case of the Dodgers, they could actually decide to sell, if they know they won't be resigning Kershaw or Urias. Noah is likely done... I'd be surprised if he made it through the season. May is not back until August, so they may not know what they have.
Trying to compare a potential trade for Ohtani to virtually any other trade that has happened is pretty much a fool's errand. He's a unicorn. Verlander is just a pitcher. Juan Soto is just a hitter/OF. Ohtani does both, and consequently a trade for him - even a rental - is going to be insanely costly.
The Rangers would have to offer a package (and they shouldn't) of something like Leiter, Porter, Carter, Foscue, Acuna & White, and I'm not sure that would be enough.
Just not worth it IMO, because he's going to wind up with the Dodgers or Yankees next season regardless.
The Rangers would have to offer a package (and they shouldn't) of something like Leiter, Porter, Carter, Foscue, Acuna & White, and I'm not sure that would be enough.
Just not worth it IMO, because he's going to wind up with the Dodgers or Yankees next season regardless.
Jimbo Franchione
I think the Dodgers will largely stand pat outside of internal call-ups. They have spent heavy prospect capital in recent years and if they want Ohtani, they're going to have to pay him close to 50 per year. No clue what the Yankees do. They really haven't been big buyers in recent years, but their roster isn't great as currently constructed so who knows what they do.
deGrom getting Tommy John …..
Dwb22 said:
deGrom getting Tommy John …..
that sucks…. oh well …. Eovaldi and Gray…. lead the way!
Now what in regards to DeGrom TJ @ 34 yrs old doesnt seem great….. any hopes of a retirement and insurance payout?????
The Dodgers are a weird bunch.
They went crazy spending, but only won 1 WS Ring. Their payroll for 2023 is like $222M and have paid a huge luxury tax over the past few years.
For 2024, they have $75M on the hook.
It be interesting to see the drivers. With California's turmoil and economic destruction... The 9% state income tax and now the tax on selling a multi-million dollar home, I can't imagine attracting FAs is going to be easy.
In San Francisco, Hilton just walked away from the largest hotel outside of Vegas. Like 3,000 rooms with a $700M note on a $1.5B Conv Center near the Moscone. They walked away from a presumed $750M equity stake.
They went crazy spending, but only won 1 WS Ring. Their payroll for 2023 is like $222M and have paid a huge luxury tax over the past few years.
For 2024, they have $75M on the hook.
It be interesting to see the drivers. With California's turmoil and economic destruction... The 9% state income tax and now the tax on selling a multi-million dollar home, I can't imagine attracting FAs is going to be easy.
In San Francisco, Hilton just walked away from the largest hotel outside of Vegas. Like 3,000 rooms with a $700M note on a $1.5B Conv Center near the Moscone. They walked away from a presumed $750M equity stake.
With this news I do wonder if CY would consider an ohtani rental. Not sure if Eovaldi/ Gray/ Dunning/ Perez/ Heaney is good enough in the playoffs. This team is good enough to win it all, would not be unhappy if they went for it.
gigem1223 said:
With this news I do wonder if CY would consider an ohtani rental. Not sure if Eovaldi/ Gray/ Dunning/ Perez/ Heaney is good enough in the playoffs. This team is good enough to win it all, would not be unhappy if they went for it.
Guess you'd have to really weigh how much of the future you want to sacrifice for him.
We need more. Hard not to get really upset with sinking money into deGrom. Just an overall poor investment that the baseball world will have the "I told you so card" for. On the bright side, he's only signed for four more years (not eight or something ridiculous) and we've got some young guys coming who can hopefully be good to great.
It also makes pitcher a more interesting position of need. After this season Jon Gray is the only guy signed for more than a year (not counting deGrom because we won't see him again until 2025). So getting someone with some term would be rather nice.
It also makes pitcher a more interesting position of need. After this season Jon Gray is the only guy signed for more than a year (not counting deGrom because we won't see him again until 2025). So getting someone with some term would be rather nice.
gigem1223 said:
With this news I do wonder if CY would consider an ohtani rental. Not sure if Eovaldi/ Gray/ Dunning/ Perez/ Heaney is good enough in the playoffs. This team is good enough to win it all, would not be unhappy if they went for it.
I just have no interest in a rental deal that's going to decimate the farm in a year where we still need a lot to fall right to legitimately compete. Ohtani doesn't fix the wholes the bullpen and if you don't shell out stupid cash to keep him it's a complete waste if you don't win it all. This would also be trading the farm right as our window starts to open back up.
gigem1223 said:
With this news I do wonder if CY would consider an ohtani rental. Not sure if Eovaldi/ Gray/ Dunning/ Perez/ Heaney is good enough in the playoffs. This team is good enough to win it all, would not be unhappy if they went for it.
I really hope if he thinks we need help he goes with a different starter on the market that wouldnt demand the premium Ohtani will. Should be some viable starters available if necessary.
I don't think this changes anything. You could shrink the rotation to 4 and you'd have Leiter available as a late call up. There is usually a guy who steps up from the late call up group for a team to make a run, so why not Leiter?gigem1223 said:
With this news I do wonder if CY would consider an ohtani rental. Not sure if Eovaldi/ Gray/ Dunning/ Perez/ Heaney is good enough in the playoffs. This team is good enough to win it all, would not be unhappy if they went for it.
Dwb22 said:
deGrom getting Tommy John …..
Prince Fielder
Corey Kluber
DeGrom
We get taken for a ride once every 2-3 years it seems. Did we at least get an insurance policy on MF DeGrom like we did triple cheeseburger?
Corey Kluber
DeGrom
We get taken for a ride once every 2-3 years it seems. Did we at least get an insurance policy on MF DeGrom like we did triple cheeseburger?
This just triggered a team-option for an extra year to his contract:
https://apnews.com/article/mlb-sports-new-york-mets-jacob-degrom-1d93a7e41a918be4b2d37b9eac96c668
https://apnews.com/article/mlb-sports-new-york-mets-jacob-degrom-1d93a7e41a918be4b2d37b9eac96c668
Quote:
Texas has a conditional option for 2028 that would be triggered if from 2023-26 deGrom has Tommy John surgery on his right elbow or has any right elbow or shoulder injury that causes him to be on the injured list for any period of 130 consecutive days during any season or 186 days in a row during any service period.
Not directed at you in any way, just at the idea of giving him another year, but f*** no. I'm letting him walk. He's been the poster child for the IL the past 4-5 years.
Years like this don't come around too often. I'm of the opinion they should go all-in to get a championship now. Seager/ Semien/ Eovaldi are all in their prime. Go get a proven TORP like Ohtani and a BP arm or two and let's go win this thing. The farm is deep enough and we can't keep all the pieces.
gigem1223 said:DannyDuberstein said:DeGrom says he feels better than he did on Monday and fully anticipates making next start. He was encouraged
— Evan Grant (@Evan_P_Grant) April 18, 2023
tHaTs dL TaLk
Didn't we say that when we went and got Cliff Lee? The biggest issue to address is the bullpen, which is great because you don't have to break the bank for a bullpen arm.gigem1223 said:
Years like this don't come around too often. I'm of the opinion they should go all-in to get a championship now. Seager/ Semien/ Eovaldi are all in their prime. Go get a proven TORP like Ohtani and a BP arm or two and let's go win this thing. The farm is deep enough and we can't keep all the pieces.
South Platte said:
Prince Fielder
Corey Kluber
DeGrom
We get taken for a ride once every 2-3 years it seems. Did we at least get an insurance policy on MF DeGrom like we did triple cheeseburger?
Fielder is the only one out of that group you could say we really got taken for a ride on.
The risk with deGrom wasn't something the Rangers were unaware of.
He should have signed with us after 2010, but we only gave up Justin Smoak for the short term rental. We don't make the WS without Lee, and he was more than worth it.shack009 said:Didn't we say that when we went and got Cliff Lee? The biggest issue to address is the bullpen, which is great because you don't have to break the bank for a bullpen arm.gigem1223 said:
Years like this don't come around too often. I'm of the opinion they should go all-in to get a championship now. Seager/ Semien/ Eovaldi are all in their prime. Go get a proven TORP like Ohtani and a BP arm or two and let's go win this thing. The farm is deep enough and we can't keep all the pieces.
shack009 said:Didn't we say that when we went and got Cliff Lee? The biggest issue to address is the bullpen, which is great because you don't have to break the bank for a bullpen arm.gigem1223 said:
Years like this don't come around too often. I'm of the opinion they should go all-in to get a championship now. Seager/ Semien/ Eovaldi are all in their prime. Go get a proven TORP like Ohtani and a BP arm or two and let's go win this thing. The farm is deep enough and we can't keep all the pieces.
Not sure I get your point here? Lee was well worth the investment. We dont make the WS without him.
This sucks but it's not like we didn't know the risks. Hopefully we keep up a great season and he can be back by All-Star break next season (I'm sure highly unlikely) but I gotta think August or September in 2024 is best case scenario.
shack009 said:Didn't we say that when we went and got Cliff Lee? The biggest issue to address is the bullpen, which is great because you don't have to break the bank for a bullpen arm.gigem1223 said:
Years like this don't come around too often. I'm of the opinion they should go all-in to get a championship now. Seager/ Semien/ Eovaldi are all in their prime. Go get a proven TORP like Ohtani and a BP arm or two and let's go win this thing. The farm is deep enough and we can't keep all the pieces.
You will have to break the bank for a bullpen arm. The trade deadline has changed with the second wildcard and compensation changes. A quality reliever is still going to cost you a pretty penny.
The hope was IF deGrom could get healthy that it allowed you to push everyone back a slot... A guy like Dunning gets pushed back into the bullpen and suddenly it doesn't look near as shaky.
It's June 6th though. Still a month to see if this is a WS caliber club. If 2/3 of Duran/Taveras/Heim prove they are't going to turn into a pumpkin and the bullpen improves slightly, then you go for it.
If the offense regresses significantly the next 45 days and the bullpen still can't do much of anything then you still look to make a move but not mortgage the future.