***** 2023 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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1:02p, 10/20/23
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The point was made of Talking Baseball and I agree. If the Rangers win the series it will most likely have to be in 6. As we've seen the last 2 days, they don't have much after Monty & Eovaldi. We've lit up Scherzer, Heaney, Dunning, & Gray. None of them are fully stretched out either.
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1:05p, 10/20/23
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Just got to the airport. Flight lands at 4:10. Let's hope I touch down just a few minutes early.
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1:08p, 10/20/23
So I will back in the house today at GLF after a successful trip for Game 3 on Wednesday night.

Let's goooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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1:09p, 10/20/23
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Lineup should be dropping in 3….2…..
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1:11p, 10/20/23
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Team texasaggie2015.


Dont let the haters get to you.

If you ain't got haters, you ain't poppin.

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1:11p, 10/20/23
Same lineup as yesterday. Good job Dusty
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 1:11p, 10/20/23
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Gotcha *****
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In reply to Panama Red • 1:13p, 10/20/23
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I ain't worried. Just bizarre when it's the same poster coming after me all year. But we're two wins from another World Series berth. There's bigger fish to fry.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:14p, 10/20/23
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By the batting gloves in my back pocket.

Big fan of running back the same lineup.
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In reply to McInnis • 1:14p, 10/20/23
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McInnis said:
AgLA06 said:
texasaggie2015 said:
AgLA06 said:
texasaggie2015 said:
JohnnyTexAg1995 said:
Ag_07 said:
Playoff Dusty is an absolute stud

Which begs the question...

What's the biggest discrepancy? Regular season Dusty vs playoff Dusty or Home Astros vs Road Astros
it's hard to tell especially with the knowledge that the front office makes the roster and lineup choices in the playoffs
They do not make those choices. It's a group decision. They ultimately have the final say, but they don't take the lineup card out of his hands.


It's been pretty amazing watching how your take on this has evolved.
I don't know what you have against me, but it's getting really old. You've come at me throughout the year for no reason.

I've said the same thing for months. Some of you just interpret it how you want to. Jesus.
It's a discussion board. I can make a comment regarding things you say. You're crying is beyond old.

It's changed whether you want to admit it or not. It went from
  • The FO has final say in the playoffs.
  • To the FO only has a say in the playoffs because of Dusty's contract during the regular season.
  • To the FO has a discussion, but it's Dusty's call in the playoffs.

So don't play the victim. I wasn't coming at you. I made a really general comment that it was interesting watching that take change. I imagine it's been the process of how it was relayed to you. It would be nice if instead of responding like this, you'd ask your guy why that take has changed. That would actually worth being discussed.
Why are you doing this? Do you want to discourage him from giving us his insight? I hope he will continue, but would be hard to blame him if he didn't.


Doing what? Asking why his take changed? That's a pretty basic question when information changes. It's the entire point of a discussion board.

He's one of a handful of guys that dominates the discussion on here. It's not unreasonable to question something he says when it doesn't line up. Especially when he's voluntarily posting information and the change could mean something bigger picture.

This year has been an abject failure in developing future talent and managing our pitching staff. The point of the front office is to set the direction of the club and ensure the day to day tracks to it. That hasn't happened.

So when information supposedly from that front office changes, it's interesting as to why. And just because he has a stance that no one is allowed to ask questions without being accused of attacking him, that doesn't change the entire point of this thread is to discuss the Stros. The fact many go way over board to attack those asking simple questions or making really mundane observations is just weird.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 1:17p, 10/20/23
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I'll happily accept responsibility if I misinterpreted your tone. The "it's been really amazing" came across to me as snarky. Maybe that was on me. But again… we have a game to win and I ain't worried about it.


Sorry to all for this mess. I'll try to be better in communicating
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:18p, 10/20/23
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Farmer1906 said:
Ghost of Bisbee said:
How we feeling about Verlander today?


Throw strikes and pound the top of the zone with heat. Mix it up with curves and sliders low and below. He'll give us 6 innings if he can do that.


He needs to get after it today. Foot on throat!!!
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In reply to AgLA06 • 1:19p, 10/20/23
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Seriously either provide evidence in the form of posted quoted from him that he's changed his story or drop it.

Many on this thread have backed him in being very consistent with his info and stance. You're way outnumbered here. If you can't show quotes to back up your nonsense then just go away. It's he obsession with him is getting strange.
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In reply to Furlock Bones • 1:20p, 10/20/23
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Furlock Bones said:
Lonestar_Ag09 said:
Farmer1906 said:
Beau Holder said:
Tucker's body language last night looked like it's going to get worse, not better. Frustration with the bat drops and not even making it halfway to first on the ground ball. It's completely in his head now.
Sure, but that's a fairly normal thing for him when he slumps. The bat gets thrown/slammed a lot. Pretty sure he's slammed it on a bloop hit to RF before too when he thought it was an out. Everyone likes to claim "they don't care" when we lose, but I don't think you show that kind of emotion if you don't care. Even if someone is not doing that, I don't think it's a sign of not caring.

Where I see the lack of confidence is in the field. Someone who trusts himself makes those 2 plays he didn't the last 2 games. His defense regressed this year because he's not reacting to the ball off the bat. I don't think he's seen it well at all. He still makes a direct route, he's just not moving immediately.

Sure, he probably should moved a little more on the ground ball, but everyone takes plays off on simple ground outs. Altuve did it yesterday or the game before. I don't get why people freak out about that. Pretty much all our guys busty their ass if there is a chance.
the line drive over his head was never getting caught…I believe that's one of the plays you are referencing.
it had a 95% catch probability. yea, he blew that.
And Yordan's had a 100% XBH% yet he trotted back to the bench when it was robbed. Those stats don't tell the whole story all of the time.
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1:20p, 10/20/23
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Let's do this!

Currently a happy listless vessel and deplorable. #FDEMS TRUMP 2024.
Fight Fight Fight.
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Bregxit said:
Man just take a hint and stfu already. All you do is stir up ***** All. ****ing. Year.


You mean the 2 or 3 times I asked a guy a question over 8 or 9 months? Get real.
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1:21p, 10/20/23
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**** all this back and forth nonsense. We've got a win to go get, boys!
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 1:22p, 10/20/23
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texasaggie2015 said:
By the batting gloves in my back pocket.

Big fan of running back the same lineup.
I'm sure there is a place to show this...how many lineups have we used this year? How many times have we had the same lineup back to back
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annie88 said:
Let's do this!



Some one post these in gif form please.
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MosesHallRAB04 said:
Seriously either provide evidence in the form of posted quoted from him that he's changed his story or drop it.

Many on this thread have backed him in being very consistent with his info and stance. You're way outnumbered here. If you can't show quotes to back up your nonsense then just go away. It's he obsession with him is getting strange.


Going back and looking for quotes would be the exact weird stalker crap I was accused of doing. That's not hypocritical at all.

I literally laid out how I felt it had involved. That's it.
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 1:23p, 10/20/23
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I can't remember the exact number but I vaguely remember seeing a stat in September saying we've used the most unique lineups in baseball. Don't quote me on that though.
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:
texasaggie2015 said:
By the batting gloves in my back pocket.

Big fan of running back the same lineup.
I'm sure there is a place to show this...how many lineups have we used this year? How many times have we had the same lineup back to back


I think there were 130 in the regular season. Maybe a couple more.
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Bregxit said:
Man just take a hint and stfu already. All you do is stir up ***** All. ****ing. Year.
And here is my reason to question whether or not to give up my star and lose the ignore button
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AgLA06 said:
MosesHallRAB04 said:
Seriously either provide evidence in the form of posted quoted from him that he's changed his story or drop it.

Many on this thread have backed him in being very consistent with his info and stance. You're way outnumbered here. If you can't show quotes to back up your nonsense then just go away. It's he obsession with him is getting strange.


Going back and looking for quotes would be the exact weird stalker crap I was accused of doing. That's not hypocritical at all.

I literally laid out how I felt it had involved. That's it.


And every poster on this site has pretty much told you you're wrong. Yet here we are with you firmly entrenched in your wrongness.
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texasaggie2015 said:
I can't remember the exact number but I vaguely remember seeing a stat in September saying we've used the most unique lineups in baseball. Don't quote me on that though.


I remember the same. I believe someone looked it up when we were discussing as to why we felt we were having consistency issues.
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Thank you!
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1:27p, 10/20/23
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Everything I've read from the "experts" says to take the under. I'm not sure I agree. Both teams have seen both of these pitchers and I think both teams will get their share of licks in. It's going to come down to who can prevent the one big inning.

I could see neither starter going more than 5 and then the bullpen takes over. Advantage Astros.
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MosesHallRAB04 said:
AgLA06 said:
MosesHallRAB04 said:
Seriously either provide evidence in the form of posted quoted from him that he's changed his story or drop it.

Many on this thread have backed him in being very consistent with his info and stance. You're way outnumbered here. If you can't show quotes to back up your nonsense then just go away. It's he obsession with him is getting strange.


Going back and looking for quotes would be the exact weird stalker crap I was accused of doing. That's not hypocritical at all.

I literally laid out how I felt it had involved. That's it.


And every poster on this site has pretty much told you you're wrong. Yet here we are with you firmly entrenched in your wrongness.


He literally admitted it changed like I said

You guys are something else. Glad we've wasted pages attacking me instead of discussing the actual topic.
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 1:28p, 10/20/23
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:
Furlock Bones said:
Lonestar_Ag09 said:
Farmer1906 said:
Beau Holder said:
Tucker's body language last night looked like it's going to get worse, not better. Frustration with the bat drops and not even making it halfway to first on the ground ball. It's completely in his head now.
Sure, but that's a fairly normal thing for him when he slumps. The bat gets thrown/slammed a lot. Pretty sure he's slammed it on a bloop hit to RF before too when he thought it was an out. Everyone likes to claim "they don't care" when we lose, but I don't think you show that kind of emotion if you don't care. Even if someone is not doing that, I don't think it's a sign of not caring.

Where I see the lack of confidence is in the field. Someone who trusts himself makes those 2 plays he didn't the last 2 games. His defense regressed this year because he's not reacting to the ball off the bat. I don't think he's seen it well at all. He still makes a direct route, he's just not moving immediately.

Sure, he probably should moved a little more on the ground ball, but everyone takes plays off on simple ground outs. Altuve did it yesterday or the game before. I don't get why people freak out about that. Pretty much all our guys busty their ass if there is a chance.
the line drive over his head was never getting caught…I believe that's one of the plays you are referencing.
it had a 95% catch probability. yea, he blew that.
And Yordan's had a 100% XBH% yet he trotted back to the bench when it was robbed. Those stats don't tell the whole story all of the time.
Just an FYI.

Catch probability and xBA are different things.

Catch probability measures the distance needed by time. If Tucker has to move 20 feet in 4 seconds, then how often do players catch balls with that distance & hangtime?

The expected batting Avg is based on EV & LA.

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:31p, 10/20/23
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Farmer1906 said:
Lonestar_Ag09 said:
Furlock Bones said:
Lonestar_Ag09 said:
Farmer1906 said:
Beau Holder said:
Tucker's body language last night looked like it's going to get worse, not better. Frustration with the bat drops and not even making it halfway to first on the ground ball. It's completely in his head now.
Sure, but that's a fairly normal thing for him when he slumps. The bat gets thrown/slammed a lot. Pretty sure he's slammed it on a bloop hit to RF before too when he thought it was an out. Everyone likes to claim "they don't care" when we lose, but I don't think you show that kind of emotion if you don't care. Even if someone is not doing that, I don't think it's a sign of not caring.

Where I see the lack of confidence is in the field. Someone who trusts himself makes those 2 plays he didn't the last 2 games. His defense regressed this year because he's not reacting to the ball off the bat. I don't think he's seen it well at all. He still makes a direct route, he's just not moving immediately.

Sure, he probably should moved a little more on the ground ball, but everyone takes plays off on simple ground outs. Altuve did it yesterday or the game before. I don't get why people freak out about that. Pretty much all our guys busty their ass if there is a chance.
the line drive over his head was never getting caught…I believe that's one of the plays you are referencing.
it had a 95% catch probability. yea, he blew that.
And Yordan's had a 100% XBH% yet he trotted back to the bench when it was robbed. Those stats don't tell the whole story all of the time.
Just an FYI.

Catch probability and xBA are different things.

Catch probability measures the distance needed by time. If Tucker has to move 20 feet in 4 seconds, then how often do players catch balls with that distance & hangtime?

The expected batting Avg is based on EV & LA.


My point wasn't to say they're the same. My point was that some of the advanced statistics are still make believe and aren't always right. Same as the stat cast stuff that says a ball would carry 15' past the fence but it was a line drive that hit the upper deck 20' above the fence.

(EDIT: Gif posted as a joke)
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