jkag89 said:

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n_touch said:

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jkag89 said:

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Dies Irae said:

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AggiEE said:

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**** Dusty

**** Montero

**** Pressly

**** Tucker

Tonight's loss is on them

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Bro Tucker was 2-5 with a triple and an RBI.

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Facts don't matter when folks are ranting.

Why not get mad at Breggy 0-5? Or Yordan 0-4 with a walk? Although he smoked a ball in the first.. Or Chaz who had a solid night at the plate numbers wise but also failed in the clutch in the 9th with an awful AB?

Fans need to vent. With a lost like tonight's they need to direct their anger at more than Dusty.

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I mean, do I have permission now?

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I just find it odd what players fans decide take out their frustrations. Tuck gets raked over the coals for his 9th inning AB while not a peep about Chaz.. At least Tuck put the ball in play and at least a few here believe it was enough to get Myers home. Love Chaz but his 9th inning AB was brutal.

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Chas' AB was god-awful, completely uncompetitive, and frankly a joke (not that I could do better, but I'm not a ML player). I think the difference is it ended the game, so there was plenty of discussion to be had at that point about all the ways the game was lost.

On another note, for a while I thought "at least someone will have to lose between the M's and Rangers during those last seven H2Hs." But now the Stros have choked away so many chances to feel comfortable, I'm sitting here going, "Oh no, someone will have to win, too."

If they split them close to evenly/the Rangers get a good share of them and the Jays close strong, at the rate this team is going and looking at how it's played against Seattle this entire season and having lost the tiebreakers to both Seattle and Toronto, it may well miss the postseason entirely.

Seattle gonna take the division lead tomorrow, no confidence in this Astros team winning and Seattle has the As who they seem to know how to beat.

Not far fetched to see Astros out of playoffs by Wednesday, then they have a weekend series versus that Murderers Row from Kansas City.

Just effing awful baseball.

Texas A&M said:

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It's looking like I'm about to be 0-2 for in person games. If it happens, my buddy will be 0-6.

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We told my buddy he can't go to any more games.

For all you baseball gurus on this thread, explain the following things to me like I'm 10 years old.
- Why didn't Dusty pinch hit for Maldonado in the 7th inning (I think) when men were on base? Verlander was already out of the game, so that wasn't keeping him in. Diaz is 100 points higher than him.
- With only two weeks left, why aren't we playing our best players every game? If we win the division we'll get our rest then.

Have to feel bad for Espada… Dusty is p****** away his chances to manage the Astros next year at this rate.

Dusty is engaged in the demonstration of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Such a pitiful end to a long career in baseball.

PoppaB05 said:

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Tonight is a tough loss, but this is why you need to win against the Royals and A's. Good teams have good players. They are going to beat you sometimes. Presley needed work in some of those games last week, he clearly wasn't sharp. Dusty mismanaging the roster is the problem. Tonight should have been JV, Neris , Abreu, and Pressly. Diaz should have batted for Maldy although tuve bailed him out. Meyers should have been going on contact. If he's out, tip your cap. Brantley should have batted for Chaz, especially with Diaz still available. Every decision just seems like he doesn't give a f***. Can't overcome this level of stupid. Even last year, there wasn't this level of WTF

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Playing your best players with 12 games left and a division title and wildcard round bye on the line isn't some kind of new fad analytics strategy. Baker knows what he isn't doing and it's bullshtt.

I wouldn't be so upset if we put out our best lineup and lost. But the fact we are playing players who need to retire is frustrating. It's ok to lose giving it your best, but this is a tragedy so far. I think we'll make the playoffs, barely, but our F.O needs to step in and use analytics in the playoffs. Never forget what got us here.

Rather clear Baker has been told he isn't coming back and he's acting like a four year old.

This is nothing deeper than some old man yelling at clouds.

Maybe the Stros will still make the postseason, just need to suck less than one of Seattle, Arlington, or Toronto.

Some serious BAS in here. ESPN has us 96% chance making playoffs

I think Meyers had a good shot to make it and should have tried, but don't think it's wrong to suggest he wouldn't.

Blaming Dusty for Meyers not running? Now that's a Grade A terrible take.

This team has been inconsistent enough this year to give me limited confidence that a wild card spot is secure. I thinks it's still likely, but this is baseball and I honestly don't really trust this team. The Seattle series will be the most important regular season series we've had since 2016.

Updated Maldy stats at MMP

24-33 record on the year

Lost 7 of last 8

Bioish said:

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I wouldn't be so upset if we put out our best lineup and lost. But the fact we are playing players who need to retire is frustrating. It's ok to lose giving it your best, but this is a tragedy so far. I think we'll make the playoffs, barely, but our F.O needs to step in and use analytics in the playoffs. Never forget what got us here.

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So we're just going to ignore that Maldy hit a go ahead HR in the game. I agree with playing Diaz more but come on he was 2-4.

Congrats @sigmejdal and @MElias you both deserve this! You built it the right way and it will last! https://t.co/lotzQN8YMX

— Jeff Luhnow (@jluhnow) September 19, 2023

I wanted to get some clarification before posting this and I hinted at this last night. I don't want to go into too much detail on a public message board but I'll say the tension between Dusty Baker and the front office has grown tremendously over the last month or so from what I'm told. And there's at least a couple players who aren't happy with Dusty as well. Veteran guys.

I don't think there's a scenario where Dusty returns. If they were to re-sign him, there's a couple key pieces of this team who would want out.

It's a sad situation. And completely avoidable.

texasaggie2015 said:

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I wanted to get some clarification before posting this and I hinted at this last night. I don't want to go into too much detail on a public message board but I'll say the tension between Dusty Baker and the front office has grown tremendously over the last month or so from what I'm told. And there's at least a couple players who aren't happy with Dusty as well. Veteran guys.

I don't think there's a scenario where Dusty returns. If they were to re-sign him, there's a couple key pieces of this team who would want out.

It's a sad situation. And completely avoidable.

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Just like someone posted before, it seems to be that is the going trend of all the teams he has managed.

So Dusty's managing this way out of spite.

I am willing to bet the majority of the time the player decides.

There is probably a plan in place or general rule of thumb for the situation, but ultimately the player will go if he thinks he makes it at this level.

Which is a constant reoccurring problem with Jake.

He pays timid and thinks too much. This often leads to boneheaded mistakes like throwing to the wrong base, missing a cut-off man, or assuming a baserunner isn't going to take the next base and just nonchalantly tossing the ball back in.

He just seems to get in his own way a lot and it shows on the little things.

Bingo.