LOL!!! Yes, back on track baby.

Not bad for a platoon OFer

Fan stuff doesn't play the game the way Dusty likes not a veteran Dubon's arm in center etc.

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Beau Holder said:

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I don't like to be pedantic for its own sake but 10-12K and "no one," which is what you said, are substantively different things as a matter of course. The poster you were responding to was making a point that isn't in disagreement here (and which I don't even think you're really arguing with based on your other post?): simply that central location makes sense and is already achieved in Houston. Whereas moving north was achieving that for Atlanta.

"Ballpark in proximity to homes" = whose homes? The ones who opted to move to Tomball? No thanks.

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According to statisticalatlas.com Harris county is the 3rd largest county in the country and the 14th most densely populated. I have a feeling most of the fans are coming from Houston. Maybe a large portion of the fans that show up are from the suburbs. I have no idea how many. But it's not from one suburb and it certainly isn't located enough in one direction to build a stadium that isn't centralized.

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Agree 100%. Unless I misread I felt like that was all that was being said to begin with by the prior posters.

Well we know JV's personal center fielder will be in CF

texasaggie2015 said:

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I plan to make a trip to Wrigley in April and then San Diego in September

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I was so hoping that San Diego series would be over the summer when the kids would be out of school and we could take them.

Farmer1906 said:

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Beau Holder said:

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I don't like to be pedantic for its own sake but 10-12K and "no one," which is what you said, are substantively different things as a matter of course. The poster you were responding to was making a point that isn't in disagreement here (and which I don't even think you're really arguing with based on your other post?): simply that central location makes sense and is already achieved in Houston. Whereas moving north was achieving that for Atlanta.

"Ballpark in proximity to homes" = whose homes? The ones who opted to move to Tomball? No thanks.

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According to statisticalatlas.com Harris county is the 3rd largest county in the country and the 14th most densely populated. I have a feeling most of the fans are coming from Houston. Maybe a large portion of the fans that show up are from the suburbs. I have no idea how many. But it's not from one suburb and it certainly isn't located enough in one direction to build a stadium that isn't centralized.

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The first thing someone is going to figure out when proposing a location is proximity to customers.

12K live downtown
only 400k live inside the loop (your 30ish minute total commute to a ballpark during evening traffic).
6.5M + live outside the loop (majority on 3 sides of N, W, S)

That means right now moving a ballpark to the burbs would increase potential customers inside a 30 minute commute by multiples.

Houston could have a minor league ballpark in the Woodlands, in Katy, in addition to Sugarland and still draw well at them and the Astros no problem. If the Astros moved west or north they would sell more tickets purely by having exponentially more potential customers in a 30 minute drive.

Let's just get back to the normal content on this thread.

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Well we know JV's personal center fielder will be in CF

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I wonder if someone asked JV straight up what he thinks about that, what he would say. The whole idea is just so laughable that only Dusty Baker could originate and commit to it.

To this day, nobody has seemed to want to press Galaxy Brain on 1. What evidence there is that Dubon's arm is meaningfully better than Chas' and 2. Covering ground (which Chas and Jake both do better) being more important on a pitch-to-pitch basis for fly ball pitching, you'd think, than throwing.

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Tons of people may not live in downtown proper but plenty of people live in Montrose, Rice Military, Heights, West U, etc etc that are only 10-15 mins from MMP.

I doubt most of those people are going to make the haul out to the suburbs to go watch a game especially on weeknights.

There's plenty of demand from those in earshot of downtown to sustain a downtown stadium.

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400K people inside the loop are irrelevant if you just put the stadium in clower distance to 1M-2M.

You guys are thinking of personal opinions and not real stats of the city.

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Farmer1906 said:

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Beau Holder said:

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I don't like to be pedantic for its own sake but 10-12K and "no one," which is what you said, are substantively different things as a matter of course. The poster you were responding to was making a point that isn't in disagreement here (and which I don't even think you're really arguing with based on your other post?): simply that central location makes sense and is already achieved in Houston. Whereas moving north was achieving that for Atlanta.

"Ballpark in proximity to homes" = whose homes? The ones who opted to move to Tomball? No thanks.

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According to statisticalatlas.com Harris county is the 3rd largest county in the country and the 14th most densely populated. I have a feeling most of the fans are coming from Houston. Maybe a large portion of the fans that show up are from the suburbs. I have no idea how many. But it's not from one suburb and it certainly isn't located enough in one direction to build a stadium that isn't centralized.

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The first thing someone is going to figure out when proposing a location is proximity to customers.

12K live downtown
only 400k live inside the loop (your 30ish minute total commute to a ballpark during evening traffic).
6.5M + live outside the loop (majority on 3 sides of N, W, S)

That means right now moving a ballpark to the burbs would increase potential customers inside a 30 minute commute by multiples.

Houston could have a minor league ballpark in the Woodlands, in Katy, in addition to Sugarland and still draw well at them and the Astros no problem. If the Astros moved west or north they would sell more tickets purely by having exponentially more potential customers in a 30 minute drive.

Let's just get back to the normal content on this thread.

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That is interesting. Maybe you do have a point. My slow brain would need to see something visually, like a density map with all the burbs included.

I have no data to back this up... but my guess is that probably only about 30% of the people attending Astros games live in the City of Houston proper, and even a good chunk of those who do effectively live in suburbs that just happened to get annexed by the city. Who really knows though.

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Let's just get back to the normal content on this thread.

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Fckin Dusty
Maldy sucks
STOP swinging at that shlt Pena
Why does Jose stand so far away from the plate?
Wish Crane wasn't so tight and would open the checkbook
Bagwell is the worst GM ever
No way this team makes the playoffs. They're done

THROW STRIKES, DAMN IT!

That better?

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Sorry, your list was incomplete...

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Ag_07 said:

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Tons of people may not live in downtown proper but plenty of people live in Montrose, Rice Military, Heights, West U, etc etc that are only 10-15 mins from MMP.

I doubt most of those people are going to make the haul out to the suburbs to go watch a game especially on weeknights.

There's plenty of demand from those in earshot of downtown to sustain a downtown stadium.

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400K people inside the loop are irrelevant if you just put the stadium in clower distance to 1M-2M.

You guys are thinking of personal opinions and not real stats of the city.

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I'm just confused how moving the stadium to some northern suburb is supposed to bring in more fans than you're losing from Clear Lake, Pearland, Manvel, and Sugar Land without even thinking of the inner loop and Downtown. This is your area of expertise so I'm all honest ears.

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Downtown ballparks are so much better than the ones located in the burbs, like in Arlington. A park in the suburbs doesn't make any sense in a city like Houston. Are people going to drive from clear lake to the woodlands to watch the Astros play? I wouldn't.

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I don't think anyone would expect it to be all the way in the suburbs.

Would it make sense to put it off the Beltway between 10 and 59? You all of a sudden are much closer to Katy, Sugarland, North Richmond and still pull in Memorial, Spring Branch, Bellaire.

For someone like me driving in from the north side, it doesn't make a huge different going downtown or to that area.

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I live in the heights and if they moved the park to some suburban hellhole I know I'd go to less games.

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Conversely... I live WAY WAY out and having to drive/park in the city is a major turn off for me. If they had a ballpark in Katy, the Woodlands, Cypress, or even Sugarland I'd go to 10x more games.

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For how spread out we are it makes sense to have the stadium centrally located.

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bearkatag15 said:

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The Royals have narrowed their choices for a $2 billion ballpark district down to two sites.

The first is in the East Village, near Downtown Kansas City: pic.twitter.com/DindFV03IN

— Front Office Sports (@FOS) August 22, 2023

These renderings of the Royals new stadium look amazing

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Talmbout

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Let's just get back to the normal content on this thread.

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Fckin Dusty
Maldy sucks
STOP swinging at that shlt Pena
Why does Jose stand so far away from the plate?
Wish Crane wasn't so tight and would open the checkbook
Bagwell is the worst GM ever
No way this team makes the playoffs. They're done

THROW STRIKES, DAMN IT!

That better?

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Sorry, your list was incomplete...

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Dusty sucks
Jake
Dubon
Chaz
Diaz



Maldy

Better list.

1836er said:

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I live in the heights and if they moved the park to some suburban hellhole I know I'd go to less games.

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Conversely... I live WAY WAY out and having to drive/park in the city is a major turn off for me. If they had a ballpark in Katy, the Woodlands, Cypress, or even Sugarland I'd go to 10x more games.

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People in that area would go more but half of the city would go less.

Oh I just meant moving into population centers and out of bland suburbia

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For how spread out we are it makes sense to have the stadium centrally located.

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Notwithstanding my affection for the idea of a suburban stadium... this is unfortunately true. If we were laid out more like the Metroplex the equation might be different.