So you're telling me the *******ed World Baseball Classic not only cost us 2 months of Altuve but the arms of our 2 best starting pitchers (before we acquired JV of course).texasaggie2015 said:
Extreme arm fatigue. Unless they get shut down for a while, I wouldn't expect a dramatic improvement.
MAROON said:Really hard to do in a race to make the playoffs, although i agree they need some rest (as does Brown).Wabs said:Get both of them some time on the IL, especially when we can call up another pitcher in September.texasaggie2015 said:
Extreme arm fatigue. Unless they get shut down for a while, I wouldn't expect a dramatic improvement.
In years past we had this luxury because we had such a large lead in the division. All these AAA Sunday line-ups throughout the season are now rearing their ugly head.
1000% agreeMAROON said:Really hard to do in a race to make the playoffs, although i agree they need some rest (as does Brown).Wabs said:Get both of them some time on the IL, especially when we can call up another pitcher in September.texasaggie2015 said:
Extreme arm fatigue. Unless they get shut down for a while, I wouldn't expect a dramatic improvement.
In years past we had this luxury because we had such a large lead in the division. All these AAA Sunday line-ups throughout the season are now rearing their ugly head.
Framber didn't pitch in the WBC and Javier had 1 start of 5 innings. I don't think that had much of an effect.Prosperdick said:So you're telling me the *******ed World Baseball Classic not only cost us 2 months of Altuve but the arms of our 2 best starting pitchers (before we acquired JV of course).texasaggie2015 said:
Extreme arm fatigue. Unless they get shut down for a while, I wouldn't expect a dramatic improvement.
Lovely.
Not just those ugly lineups, but this is the reason so many of us were pounding the table for Yainer & Chas to play more early on.Wabs said:1000% agreeMAROON said:Really hard to do in a race to make the playoffs, although i agree they need some rest (as does Brown).Wabs said:Get both of them some time on the IL, especially when we can call up another pitcher in September.texasaggie2015 said:
Extreme arm fatigue. Unless they get shut down for a while, I wouldn't expect a dramatic improvement.
In years past we had this luxury because we had such a large lead in the division. All these AAA Sunday line-ups throughout the season are now rearing their ugly head.
Agree. Looking back it's infuriating how the lineups were assembled and who got the majority of playing time and ABs. I still think back to the first 2 games when Chas didn't even see the field. You know, our starting CFer when we won the whole damn thing? Yeah, that guy.Farmer1906 said:Not just those ugly lineups, but this is the season so many of us were pounding the table for Yainer & Chas to play more early on.Wabs said:1000% agreeMAROON said:Really hard to do in a race to make the playoffs, although i agree they need some rest (as does Brown).Wabs said:Get both of them some time on the IL, especially when we can call up another pitcher in September.texasaggie2015 said:
Extreme arm fatigue. Unless they get shut down for a while, I wouldn't expect a dramatic improvement.
In years past we had this luxury because we had such a large lead in the division. All these AAA Sunday line-ups throughout the season are now rearing their ugly head.
If you count minors, majors, and postseason he had 130 last year and he's at 128. He's about to enter new territory.MAROON said:
and I'm pretty sure Brown has now thrown more innings than any other time in his career.
Let's keep piling on.Wabs said:Agree. Looking back it's infuriating how the lineups were assembled and who got the majority of playing time and ABs. I still think back to the first 2 games when Chas didn't even see the field. You know, our starting CFer when we won the whole damn thing? Yeah, that guy.Farmer1906 said:Not just those ugly lineups, but this is the season so many of us were pounding the table for Yainer & Chas to play more early on.Wabs said:1000% agreeMAROON said:Really hard to do in a race to make the playoffs, although i agree they need some rest (as does Brown).Wabs said:Get both of them some time on the IL, especially when we can call up another pitcher in September.texasaggie2015 said:
Extreme arm fatigue. Unless they get shut down for a while, I wouldn't expect a dramatic improvement.
In years past we had this luxury because we had such a large lead in the division. All these AAA Sunday line-ups throughout the season are now rearing their ugly head.
Try here and select the year you want to see.MAROON said:
be interesting to see how many actual pitches he's thrown. I can find it for his major league stats but not minor league...at least not yet.
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R-Dog said:MAROON said:Really hard to do in a race to make the playoffs, although i agree they need some rest (as does Brown).Wabs said:Get both of them some time on the IL, especially when we can call up another pitcher in September.texasaggie2015 said:
Extreme arm fatigue. Unless they get shut down for a while, I wouldn't expect a dramatic improvement.
In years past we had this luxury because we had such a large lead in the division. All these AAA Sunday line-ups throughout the season are now rearing their ugly head.
Regular season ends Oct. 1. Division series begins Oct. 7. How huge would it be to have those 5 days off in between and not have to play a wild card series.
Oh that's right, I forgot Framber was going to pitch in it but backed out. Oh well, still cost us Altuve.Farmer1906 said:Framber didn't pitch in the WBC and Javier had 1 start of 5 innings. I don't think that had much of an effect.Prosperdick said:So you're telling me the *******ed World Baseball Classic not only cost us 2 months of Altuve but the arms of our 2 best starting pitchers (before we acquired JV of course).texasaggie2015 said:
Extreme arm fatigue. Unless they get shut down for a while, I wouldn't expect a dramatic improvement.
Lovely.
Framber and Javier both threw the most innings they ever have last season with a short offseason. They haven't slowed down usage-wise this year.
Framber (total IP)
2019 - 115 IP
2020* - 94.2 IP
2021 - 161.1 IP
2022 - 226.1 IP
2023 - 154.2 so far
Javier (total IP)
2019 - 113.2 IP
2020* - 63.2 IP
2021 - 112 IP
2022 - 161.1 IP
2023 - 127.1 so far
*Covid Year
Did Framber not pitch? I thought Crane held him out.Prosperdick said:So you're telling me the *******ed World Baseball Classic not only cost us 2 months of Altuve but the arms of our 2 best starting pitchers (before we acquired JV of course).texasaggie2015 said:
Extreme arm fatigue. Unless they get shut down for a while, I wouldn't expect a dramatic improvement.
Lovely.
Sounds like someone wants a new stadium....... and who wouldnt want out of south chicago???BadAggie said:
He threw 2090 pitches in 2022, and has thrown 2207 so far in 2023.Farmer1906 said:Try here and select the year you want to see.MAROON said:
be interesting to see how many actual pitches he's thrown. I can find it for his major league stats but not minor league...at least not yet.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=brown-003hun&type=pgl&year=2023
MAROON said:He threw 2090 pitches in 2022, and has thrown 2207 so far in 2023.Farmer1906 said:Try here and select the year you want to see.MAROON said:
be interesting to see how many actual pitches he's thrown. I can find it for his major league stats but not minor league...at least not yet.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=brown-003hun&type=pgl&year=2023
Innings in 2022 - 126.1, innings in 2023 - 128.
this is sad. Six hitters in that group with an OPS below .700Farmer1906 said:
Our most commonly used lineup this season is:
Dubon
Bregman
Alvarez
Abreu
Tucker
Pena
Julks
Meyers
Maldonado
Revised to include post season:Farmer1906 said:MAROON said:He threw 2090 pitches in 2022, and has thrown 2207 so far in 2023.Farmer1906 said:Try here and select the year you want to see.MAROON said:
be interesting to see how many actual pitches he's thrown. I can find it for his major league stats but not minor league...at least not yet.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=brown-003hun&type=pgl&year=2023
Innings in 2022 - 126.1, innings in 2023 - 128.
You count postseason?
W said:
ballparks in the suburbs are / should be the new thing now
W said:
ballparks in the suburbs are / should be the new thing now
Ag_07 said:W said:
ballparks in the suburbs are / should be the new thing now
No thanks
Orioles owner John Angelos says the only way the team could afford to keep its young core in Baltimore would be by raising prices "massively" pic.twitter.com/yXca3N5wHC
— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) August 21, 2023
Because movement of residential preferences change.Beau Holder said:W said:
ballparks in the suburbs are / should be the new thing now
Why? The movement of people is going the opposite direction.
The Braves built theirs a million miles from the center of Atlanta with no serviceable public transport to get you there, you have to drive, have a DD, park across the highway, walk 15 minutes, and hang there all day just to enjoy the Battery.
The Royals are seeking to put one in downtown KC which would be far superior to Kauffman being in an ocean of parking lots eight miles from any sort of entertainment scene.
What is he saying that is wrong? If they have to raise prices, they may be pricing their fans out of being able to attend which causes even more issues.EastCoastAgNc said:Orioles owner John Angelos says the only way the team could afford to keep its young core in Baltimore would be by raising prices "massively" pic.twitter.com/yXca3N5wHC
— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) August 21, 2023
Well at least we can count on the Orioles owner wrecking their long term chances of contention. This guy is a moron
AgLA06 said:Because movement of residential preferences change.Beau Holder said:W said:
ballparks in the suburbs are / should be the new thing now
Why? The movement of people is going the opposite direction.
The Braves built theirs a million miles from the center of Atlanta with no serviceable public transport to get you there, you have to drive, have a DD, park across the highway, walk 15 minutes, and hang there all day just to enjoy the Battery.
The Royals are seeking to put one in downtown KC which would be far superior to Kauffman being in an ocean of parking lots eight miles from any sort of entertainment scene.
The old thinking of paying over the top to build a ballpark near a known entity or location is cost prohibitive. And the examples you said represent the new thinking that it doesn't matter where the ballpark as long as they create an experience around it. And if the organization builds that experience around the stadium they also own and control that revenue as well. So they aren't leveraged by someone else.
Ballparks don't make as much off of concert and events as one might think. But if by going this route they are driving new revenue with those events to the bars, restaurants, shops, and multifamily around the stadium it now does put enough money in their pocket to make it worth operating year round. And if you're out in the burbs there's less properties with pull around you to make that difficult.
Yep. It's why the Astros have been very particular on who they've extended and who they've cut loose in favor of young talent or free agency. It would be great to keep every up and coming star. But as long as dumb owners like the Mets and Padres will overpay for talent and over inflate the market, that isn't feasible.n_touch said:What is he saying that is wrong? If they have to raise prices, they may be pricing their fans out of being able to attend which causes even more issues.EastCoastAgNc said:Orioles owner John Angelos says the only way the team could afford to keep its young core in Baltimore would be by raising prices "massively" pic.twitter.com/yXca3N5wHC
— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) August 21, 2023
Well at least we can count on the Orioles owner wrecking their long term chances of contention. This guy is a moron
They're already 10th in the average ticket price (Defending World Champions are 9th)n_touch said:What is he saying that is wrong? If they have to raise prices, they may be pricing their fans out of being able to attend which causes even more issues.EastCoastAgNc said:Orioles owner John Angelos says the only way the team could afford to keep its young core in Baltimore would be by raising prices "massively" pic.twitter.com/yXca3N5wHC
— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) August 21, 2023
Well at least we can count on the Orioles owner wrecking their long term chances of contention. This guy is a moron
