Astros still have the best odds of any AL team to win the World Series, per Fangraphs.
— Michael Schwab (@michaelschwab13) August 21, 2023
Only the Braves and Dodgers are ahead.
1. Braves: 26.4%
2. Dodgers: 15.7%
3. Astros: 10.1%
4. Rays: 9.1%
5. Rangers: 6%
I actually feel better for a CJ start at this moment than I do Framber. I feel like CJ has become a little more consistent. He's not going deep, but it does feel as if he's coming around.JDUB08AG said:
I haven't felt comfortable or excited for a CJ start since early June
I need to go back and check, but it felt like his recent starts continue to teeter on the edge of total disaster with insane pitch counts.Beat40 said:I actually feel better for a CJ start at this moment than I do Framber. I feel like CJ has become a little more consistent. He's not going deep, but it does feel as if he's coming around.JDUB08AG said:
I haven't felt comfortable or excited for a CJ start since early June
I'm not saying I'm not nervous, I'm just saying I don't know what in the world has happened to Framber lately. Outside of the no hitter, his last 3-4 starts have been yeesh.texasaggie2015 said:
Man, I sure don't. I'm going to be scared to death until he starts to generate more whiffs. Especially against lefty heavy lineups.
Oh, I'm not saying he's been super effective and could have given up many more runs, but I'm talking about I feel like he's coming around from the fact his FB is back up to 94/95 the last few games. It feels like he's slowly starting to look more like himself from the actual pitching side.JDUB08AG said:I need to go back and check, but it felt like his recent starts continue to teeter on the edge of total disaster with insane pitch counts.Beat40 said:I actually feel better for a CJ start at this moment than I do Framber. I feel like CJ has become a little more consistent. He's not going deep, but it does feel as if he's coming around.JDUB08AG said:
I haven't felt comfortable or excited for a CJ start since early June
Definitely. If you have to have a team meeting to talk about it and what needs to be done, it means no one is doing so otherwise.Farmer1906 said:
In general, I am not a huge fan of players-only meetings. I am glad this team feels the need to do so even though its pacing to 91 wins. .
Just because my curiousity got the best of me I looked up some stats on Framber. 7th in all MLB for innings pitched and 13th in # of batters faced. He has pitched A LOT.texasaggie2015 said:
Both Framber and Javier are pitching through extreme arm fatigue. From the sound of it, I'm not very optimistic either one of them will turn things around dramatically.
If it's known Framber has arm fatigue, I don't like keep running him out there. It probably would have been better to give him 2 or so starts off. Literally has hurt the team.texasaggie2015 said:
Both Framber and Javier are pitching through extreme arm fatigue. I'm not very optimistic either one of them will turn things around dramatically.
I feel like this is just something you (general you, not specifically you) see when the team is looking bad. You just interpret things you'd otherwise ignore/not notice.AgLA06 said:Definitely. If you have to have a team meeting to talk about it and what needs to be done, it means no one is doing so otherwise.Farmer1906 said:
In general, I am not a huge fan of players-only meetings. I am glad this team feels the need to do so even though its pacing to 91 wins. .
Sat with another dad I don't know well for Sunday's game. We both commented that there just doesn't appear to be any sense of urgency or leadership on the field. Diaz was the only one that showed any emotion or pep and he didn't play great with that lazy past ball. Everyone just seemed to be going through the motions.
No real communication or interaction amongst the tea when on the field. Bad errors and not doing basic things like holding runners on base.
I don't know if there isn't a real team leader or if so many different combinations of lineups and injuries just haven't allowed them to jell this year.
Especially considering for the first time all year we aren't short on pitchers.Beat40 said:If it's known Framber has arm fatigue, I don't like keep running him out there. It probably would have been better to give him 2 or so starts off. Literally has hurt the team.texasaggie2015 said:
Both Framber and Javier are pitching through extreme arm fatigue. I'm not very optimistic either one of them will turn things around dramatically.
Whatever we thought Javier found in July hasn't continued in Aug. Not getting whiffs, Ks, while giving up walks and hits.texasaggie2015 said:
Man, I sure don't. I'm going to be scared to death until he starts to generate more whiffs. Especially against lefty heavy lineups.
Thank you for this. I have been projecting what I've seen in July from him for these August starts.Farmer1906 said:Whatever we thought Javier found in July hasn't continued in Aug. Not getting whiffs, Ks, while giving up walks and hits.texasaggie2015 said:
Man, I sure don't. I'm going to be scared to death until he starts to generate more whiffs. Especially against lefty heavy lineups.
I also have seen this type of thing said in multiple games this season when the team is losing ("there is no fire," "there is no urgency," "no one cares enough about winning") and then the team comes back and wins the game.Farmer1906 said:I feel like this is just something you (general you, not specifically you) see when the team is looking bad. You just interpret things you'd otherwise ignore/not notice.AgLA06 said:Definitely. If you have to have a team meeting to talk about it and what needs to be done, it means no one is doing so otherwise.Farmer1906 said:
In general, I am not a huge fan of players-only meetings. I am glad this team feels the need to do so even though its pacing to 91 wins. .
Sat with another dad I don't know well for Sunday's game. We both commented that there just doesn't appear to be any sense of urgency or leadership on the field. Diaz was the only one that showed any emotion or pep and he didn't play great with that lazy past ball. Everyone just seemed to be going through the motions.
No real communication or interaction amongst the tea when on the field. Bad errors and not doing basic things like holding runners on base.
I don't know if there isn't a real team leader or if so many different combinations of lineups and injuries just haven't allowed them to jell this year.
This team is loaded with vets and vets who have won at the highest level consistently. I think they go about the game in a professional manner without getting too high, too low, or wearing their emotions on their sleeves.
Sometimes that makes it worse. Kinda like when everyone at a bad wreck expectes someone else to call 911 so no one actually does.texasaggie2015 said:
I'm also confident in saying there's no shortage of leadership on this team.
Fair. Our defense has been probably the worst I can remember in recent memory.AgLA06 said:
A crappy game definitely makes it appear worse. Normally don't expect to see balls hitting major leaguer's gloves and not be outs. There was a lot of that Sunday.
I am curious as to why that is. Doesn't help the best OF didn't consistently play much this year and Pena clearly has been going through something.Farmer1906 said:Fair. Our defense has been probably the worst I can remember in recent memory.AgLA06 said:
A crappy game definitely makes it appear worse. Normally don't expect to see balls hitting major leaguer's gloves and not be outs. There was a lot of that Sunday.
The "Bystander Effect".AgLA06 said:Sometimes that makes it worse. Kinda like when everyone at a bad wreck expectes someone else to call 911 so no one actually does.texasaggie2015 said:
I'm also confident in saying there's no shortage of leadership on this team.
texasaggie2015 said:
There's really no issues in the locker room. This is all about the perfect storm of a worn out pitching staff, gaping holes in the lineup, injuries, and a manager with little to no sense of urgency.
Marvin said:
You purists can check out of the thread all you want. I love having passionate discussion, even when it's bipolar and swings wildly within the same game. Sometimes we need a break, and sometimes misery loves company. Sometimes we just need to vent. It's makes the lows low, but it also makes the highs incredibly awesome.
To each his (or her) own!
Checked the #sBeat40 said:I am curious as to why that is. Doesn't help the best OF didn't consistently play much this year and Pena clearly has been going through something.Farmer1906 said:Fair. Our defense has been probably the worst I can remember in recent memory.AgLA06 said:
A crappy game definitely makes it appear worse. Normally don't expect to see balls hitting major leaguer's gloves and not be outs. There was a lot of that Sunday.
Best SeasonsFarmer1906 said:Checked the #sBeat40 said:I am curious as to why that is. Doesn't help the best OF didn't consistently play much this year and Pena clearly has been going through something.Farmer1906 said:Fair. Our defense has been probably the worst I can remember in recent memory.AgLA06 said:
A crappy game definitely makes it appear worse. Normally don't expect to see balls hitting major leaguer's gloves and not be outs. There was a lot of that Sunday.
Here is our defense based on statcast's Fielding Run Value
2016 - 31.9
2017 - 0.6
2018 - 49.2
2019 - 18.5
2020 - 0.7
2021 - 29.7
2022 - 26.7
2023 - 0.0
It's hard to tell where the drops are because so many guys play multiple positions, but it's pretty much across the board minus 1B. The biggest drop is RF.
