AgLA06 said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Mr.Bond said:

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2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?

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Any offer without a 3 starting would be an insult

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There's a high correlation to the top 20 highest paid players and their teams not having success.

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1a. Scherzer - 43.33, on AL West leader and 2nd best AL record
1b. Verlander - 43.33, on defending champion and AL favorite
3. Judge - 40, middling AL East team
4. deGrom - 37, on AL West leader and 2nd best AL record
5. Cole - 36, middling AL East team
6. Trout - 35.5, middling AL West team
7a. Strasburg - 35 M, on bottom 3 team
7b. Rendon - 35 M, middling AL West team
9. Lindor - 34.1, bad NL East team
10. Correa - 33.3, on AL Central leader
11a. Seaver - 32.5, on AL West leader and 2nd best AL record
11b. Arenado - 32.5, on bad NL Central team
13. Machado - 31.8, on middling NL West team
14. Devers - 31.4, on middling AL East team
15. Cabrera - 31, on bad AL Central team
16. Betts - 30.4, on NL West leader and 2nd best NL record
17. Sale - 29, on middling AL East team
18. Turner - 27.3, on solid NL East team
19. Freeman - 27, on NL West leader and 2nd best NL record
20. Rodon - 27, middling AL East team

Likely Playoff Team - 40%
Mid Tier Team - 40%
Bad Team - 20%

If we offer $350mm to Tucker, then we might as well just offer $400mm to Ohtani. Crane will more than make his money back off that move.

Wabs said:

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PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:

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If we offer $350mm to Tucker, then we might as well just offer $400mm to Ohtani. Crane will more than make his money back off that move.

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$400M for Ohtani won't even get a phone answered

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It does for a 8 year contract.

Wabs said:

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PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:

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If we offer $350mm to Tucker, then we might as well just offer $400mm to Ohtani. Crane will more than make his money back off that move.

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$400M for Ohtani won't even get a phone answered

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It doesn't matter what we offer. He will only play on the west coast.

Eso si, Que es said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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AgLA06 said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Mr.Bond said:

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2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?

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Any offer without a 3 starting would be an insult

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There's a high correlation to the top 20 highest paid players and their teams not having success.

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1a. Scherzer - 43.33, on AL West leader and 2nd best AL record
1b. Verlander - 43.33, on defending champion and AL favorite
3. Judge - 40, middling AL East team
4. deGrom - 37, on AL West leader and 2nd best AL record
5. Cole - 36, middling AL East team
6. Trout - 35.5, middling AL West team
7a. Strasburg - 35 M, on bottom 3 team
7b. Rendon - 35 M, middling AL West team
9. Lindor - 34.1, bad NL East team
10. Correa - 33.3, on AL Central leader
11a. Seaver - 32.5, on AL West leader and 2nd best AL record
11b. Arenado - 32.5, on bad NL Central team
13. Machado - 31.8, on middling NL West team
14. Devers - 31.4, on middling AL East team
15. Cabrera - 31, on bad AL Central team
16. Betts - 30.4, on NL West leader and 2nd best NL record
17. Sale - 29, on middling AL East team
18. Turner - 27.3, on solid NL East team
19. Freeman - 27, on NL West leader and 2nd best NL record
20. Rodon - 27, middling AL East team

Likely Playoff Team - 40%
Mid Tier Team - 40%
Bad Team - 20%

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Now show where the teams are standing that actually inked the deals

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I think you can also pick apart the teams that signed these massive deals and look at the players around them. They aren't built to win.

PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:

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Wabs said:

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PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:

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If we offer $350mm to Tucker, then we might as well just offer $400mm to Ohtani. Crane will more than make his money back off that move.

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$400M for Ohtani won't even get a phone answered

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It does for a 8 year contract.

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You think he's going to sign an 8-year contract?

Wabs said:

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PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:

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If we offer $350mm to Tucker, then we might as well just offer $400mm to Ohtani. Crane will more than make his money back off that move.

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$400M for Ohtani won't even get a phone answered

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Yeah we're going to see something stupid for Ohtani

Yawn. Troll harder. It's been know he doesn't want to leave the west coast.

BadAggie said:

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Wabs said:

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PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:

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If we offer $350mm to Tucker, then we might as well just offer $400mm to Ohtani. Crane will more than make his money back off that move.

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$400M for Ohtani won't even get a phone answered

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Yeah we're going to see something stupid for Ohtani

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If Ohtani just wants the cold hard cash, yes. But if he wants to go somewhere and win, then the number might not be as crazy, because he is going to want to leave the team enough money to sign guys to play around him. On the other hand, you can pay him the equivalent of a top hitter plus the salary of a top starter because he fills two roles on your roster under one salary. So what seems "stupid" for him might not be when you consider the roles he fills in the lineup.

Dodgers for 12 years, $625M. Something like that for Ohtani.

How much longer does he continue to pitch?

Wabs said:

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PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:

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Wabs said:

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PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:

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If we offer $350mm to Tucker, then we might as well just offer $400mm to Ohtani. Crane will more than make his money back off that move.

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$400M for Ohtani won't even get a phone answered

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It does for a 8 year contract.

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You think he's going to sign an 8-year contract?

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Ok, 10 - $500mm? That fix it. I believe he gets $50mm per year whatever is thrown at him. The longer the deal likely the less.

I just don't see Dodgers offering him that. They already have $118,650,000 for next year tied up into 11 players. Once they add a couple positions and resign or sign pitchers, they won't be able to do $50mm per year or more.

Are the Giants that attractive of a team and have a better chance of winning soon?

Ohtani seems like the type where he would like to at least win a WS once.

Wabs said:

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Dodgers for 12 years, $625M. Something like that for Ohtani.

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PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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AgLA06 said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Mr.Bond said:

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2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?

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Any offer without a 3 starting would be an insult

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There's a high correlation to the top 20 highest paid players and their teams not having success.

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1a. Scherzer - 43.33, on AL West leader and 2nd best AL record
1b. Verlander - 43.33, on defending champion and AL favorite
3. Judge - 40, middling AL East team
4. deGrom - 37, on AL West leader and 2nd best AL record
5. Cole - 36, middling AL East team
6. Trout - 35.5, middling AL West team
7a. Strasburg - 35 M, on bottom 3 team
7b. Rendon - 35 M, middling AL West team
9. Lindor - 34.1, bad NL East team
10. Correa - 33.3, on AL Central leader
11a. Seaver - 32.5, on AL West leader and 2nd best AL record
11b. Arenado - 32.5, on bad NL Central team
13. Machado - 31.8, on middling NL West team
14. Devers - 31.4, on middling AL East team
15. Cabrera - 31, on bad AL Central team
16. Betts - 30.4, on NL West leader and 2nd best NL record
17. Sale - 29, on middling AL East team
18. Turner - 27.3, on solid NL East team
19. Freeman - 27, on NL West leader and 2nd best NL record
20. Rodon - 27, middling AL East team

Likely Playoff Team - 40%
Mid Tier Team - 40%
Bad Team - 20%

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Now show where the teams are standing that actually inked the deals

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I think you can also pick apart the teams that signed these massive deals and look at the players around them. They aren't built to win.

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That's the point. You can't when all you're payroll is on 1or 2 guys.

Danwell Home said:

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Yawn. Troll harder. It's been know he doesn't want to leave the west coast.

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It wasn't meant to be a troll post if you read the firs post.

The point is, I don't think it is worth it to throw $350mm at Tucker.

AgLA06 said:

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PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:

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Eso si, Que es said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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AgLA06 said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Mr.Bond said:

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2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?

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Any offer without a 3 starting would be an insult

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There's a high correlation to the top 20 highest paid players and their teams not having success.

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1a. Scherzer - 43.33, on AL West leader and 2nd best AL record
1b. Verlander - 43.33, on defending champion and AL favorite
3. Judge - 40, middling AL East team
4. deGrom - 37, on AL West leader and 2nd best AL record
5. Cole - 36, middling AL East team
6. Trout - 35.5, middling AL West team
7a. Strasburg - 35 M, on bottom 3 team
7b. Rendon - 35 M, middling AL West team
9. Lindor - 34.1, bad NL East team
10. Correa - 33.3, on AL Central leader
11a. Seaver - 32.5, on AL West leader and 2nd best AL record
11b. Arenado - 32.5, on bad NL Central team
13. Machado - 31.8, on middling NL West team
14. Devers - 31.4, on middling AL East team
15. Cabrera - 31, on bad AL Central team
16. Betts - 30.4, on NL West leader and 2nd best NL record
17. Sale - 29, on middling AL East team
18. Turner - 27.3, on solid NL East team
19. Freeman - 27, on NL West leader and 2nd best NL record
20. Rodon - 27, middling AL East team

Likely Playoff Team - 40%
Mid Tier Team - 40%
Bad Team - 20%

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Now show where the teams are standing that actually inked the deals

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I think you can also pick apart the teams that signed these massive deals and look at the players around them. They aren't built to win.

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That's the point. You can't when all you're payroll is on 1or 2 guys.

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Partially true. However, I also look at the flipside with all of these players making next to nothing on teams like the Rays or some of the smaller deals the Braves have signed. Some of these studs that are younger playing on their first contracts. Talking about great farm teams that lead to great and cheap teams.

I said something like that. I could definitely see it going higher.

Mose Schrute said:

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Ohtani deal is a trap.

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I don't want Ohtani. However, I don't want the Stros to dedicate 15-20% of annual payroll to one player.

Ohtani will likely have all the large market/fanbase clubs chasing him. No offense this is not an elite talent from a small Caribbean island but rather he brings an entire first world wealthy nation in tow.

Would not be surprised to see him on track for >$1 billion in career earnings after he inks his new deal.

jkag89 said:

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Chance to pick up a game on Arlington tonight with a W. The A's shutout the Rangers 2-0 this afternoon.

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Ouch.

Somebody is going to offer up a partial ownership stake to Ohtani this offseason. Just watch.

PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:

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Danwell Home said:

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Yawn. Troll harder. It's been know he doesn't want to leave the west coast.

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It wasn't meant to be a troll post if you read the firs post.

The point is, I don't think it is worth it to throw $350mm at Tucker.

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Yeah I think you're right with $350MM is too much. What else could $350MM get us?

Wabs said:

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Dodgers for 12 years, $625M. Something like that for Ohtani.

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A blister on his finger will cost the team $5MM lol