***** 2023 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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3:28p, 8/9/23
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I'd love to see Singelton DH Yordan LF and Chas C but as that has potential for the most runs Dusty will probably never do it. On the plus side, having Diaz and Singleton on the bench allows you to PH two good hitters if you need to manufacture a run in the back of the lineup.
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In reply to J Peterman • 3:29p, 8/9/23
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Chas at catcher would be wild.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 3:31p, 8/9/23
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Eric Davis had a crazy couple seasons in the 1980s, like video game #s
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In reply to CoachAg19 • 3:33p, 8/9/23
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CoachAg19 said:
texasaggie2015 said:
Well I disagree with Brauny lol

Montgomery is awesome. Skenes is a generational talent and was the first overall pick.


I don't think his comment is in regards to the talent of Montgomery, but more in regards to the potential impact that Montgomery could bring to our team. On that aspect of it, I agree with Brauny.
I agree with this. He's the best player in the portal (and one of the best in baseball regardless) at a massive position of need, and he is an everyday player. Likely top 5-10 type of pick. Huge pickup.
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In reply to BadAggie • 3:33p, 8/9/23
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1986
OPS .901
HR 27
SB 80

1987
OPS .991
HR 37
SB 50

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/daviser01.shtml
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In reply to RED AG 98 • 3:40p, 8/9/23
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Blum made a good point last night in the postgame that since they don't get to do postseason games it was really cool for them to get to be a part of kind of a postseason atmosphere and get to be a part of it in the booth as opposed to just watching and talking about it later.
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In reply to J Peterman • 3:40p, 8/9/23
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J Peterman said:
I'd love to see Singelton DH Yordan LF and Chas C but as that has potential for the most runs Dusty will probably never do it. On the plus side, having Diaz and Singleton on the bench allows you to PH two good hitters if you need to manufacture a run in the back of the lineup.

Best line up over all in my opinion (both offensive and defensive) Outside of arguing SS.

1) Altuve 2B
2) Bregman 3B
3) Alverez DH
4) Tucker RF
5) McCormick LF
6) Diaz C
7) Singleton 1B
8) Meyers CF
9) Pena SS
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 3:41p, 8/9/23
Yes
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In reply to RED AG 98 • 3:42p, 8/9/23
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Chas in. Diaz out. He's just trolling us now.


Diaz struggles with lefties per Dusty
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3:43p, 8/9/23
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Cool gift
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In reply to AggiEE • 3:44p, 8/9/23
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AggiEE said:
RED AG 98 said:
Chas in. Diaz out. He's just trolling us now.


Diaz struggles with lefties per Dusty
Madly just struggles, per my own two eyes. He's already catching JV and FV and now probably Urq, who exactly is Diaz catching? Just HB and France? Pure madness...
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In reply to RED AG 98 • 3:46p, 8/9/23
RED AG 98 said:
AggiEE said:
RED AG 98 said:
Chas in. Diaz out. He's just trolling us now.


Diaz struggles with lefties per Dusty
Madly just struggles, per my own two eyes. He's already catching JV and FV and now probably Urq, who exactly is Diaz catching? Just HB and France? Pure madness...


Everyone want the new guy

Diaz can't hit lefties

Maldy da goat
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3:59p, 8/9/23
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Let play.... who's better with Yainer!?

Hunter Brown
Stat - Diaz / Maldy
PA - 235 / 255
BA - .238 / .269
OBP - .319 / .326
SLG - .405 / .415
OPS - .724 / .740
SO/W - 2.94 / 3.85
wOBA - .318 / .323
xwOBA - .315 / .302
Edge: Slightly Diaz

JP France
Stat - Diaz / Maldy
PA - 168 / 203
BA - .258 / .241
OBP - .304 / .304
SLG - .413 / .340
OPS - .717 / .644
SO/W - 3.20 / 1.89
wOBA - .309 / .285
xwOBA - .312 / .333
Edge: Slightly Maldy

Ryan Pressly
Stat - Diaz / Maldy
PA - 39 / 156
BA - .059 / .219
OBP - .154 / .250
SLG - .088 / .363
OPS - .242 / .613
SO/W - 2.25 / 7.17
wOBA - .126 / .262
xwOBA - .230 / .304
Edge: Diaz

Bryan Abreu
Stat - Diaz / Maldy
PA - 59 / 151
BA - .239 / .190
OBP - .379 / .253
SLG - .348 / .343
OPS - .727 / .596
SO/W - 1.91 / 5.60
wOBA - .331 / .258
xwOBA - .330 / .265
Edge: Maldy

Hector Neris
Stat - Diaz / Maldy
PA - 75 / 118
BA - .180 / .186
OBP - .324 / .291
SLG - .328 / .294
OPS - .652 / .585
SO/W - 1.75 / 2.62
wOBA - ..294 / .268
xwOBA - .300 / .274
Edge: Maldy

Ryne Stanek

Stat - Diaz / Maldy
PA - 63 / 86
BA - .236 / .227
OBP - .333 / .314
SLG - .327 / .427
OPS - .661 / .741
SO/W - 2.38 / 1.60
wOBA - .305 / .316
xwOBA - .335 / .305
Edge: Diaz


Phil Maton

Stat - Diaz / Maldy
PA - 42 / 166
BA - .211 / .199
OBP - .286 / .315
SLG - .395 / .305
OPS - .680 / .620
SO/W - 4.67 / 2.29
wOBA - .288 / .285
xwOBA - .270 / .286
Edge: Slightly Maldy


Outside of Pressly & Abreu, these #s are very similar. Comfort or not, I am not sure the actual results or expected results show Maldy is making a huge difference behind the dish. We can clearly see Yainer is a difference-maker at the plate when compared to Martin.
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4:00p, 8/9/23
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Martin catches Framber and JV got it..... is he tied to CV too?? **** me man
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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In reply to Mr.Bond • 4:03p, 8/9/23
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Who does Martin catch?

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 4:12p, 8/9/23
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Farmer1906 said:


Top 20 including pitchers.
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4:12p, 8/9/23
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2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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In reply to Mr.Bond • 4:13p, 8/9/23
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Mr.Bond said:
2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?


Any offer without a 3 starting would be an insult
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4:14p, 8/9/23
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Maybe this got mentioned last night as I wasn't on the thread the whole game. I kinda thought Mateo acted like a punk when he robbed Yordan of the HR with his acting like he was upset at first. Thought it a good bit of karma that he looked the fool on the one in the 9th. Anyway, got reminded of that watching the highlights.
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In reply to Mr.Bond • 4:15p, 8/9/23
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Mr.Bond said:
2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?
I think the better question is what happens to the Astros long term if he does.

It's either going to hurt our ability to sign Astros that have been with the team longer or go after free agents that have generally been a big part of the playoffs.
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 4:15p, 8/9/23
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bearkatag15 said:
Mr.Bond said:
2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?


Any offer without a 3 starting would be an insult



35 million a year for 8 years is far from insulting
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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In reply to Mr.Bond • 4:16p, 8/9/23
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Mr.Bond said:
2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?


Not unless it included opt outs. That 8 year deal would put him at his age 36/37 season as a free agent. Not ideal

He will command $30M + per year for at least 10 year deal and if you want him to sign an 8 year deal it would have to include an opt out after year 4 for him to consider IMO.
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In reply to Mr.Bond • 4:17p, 8/9/23
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Don't forget the zero at the end and I bet he would consider
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4:17p, 8/9/23
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Does results of Mets and Padres jizzing money everywhere last winter tap the brakes on free agency (for everyone other than Ohtani) spending next winter?
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 4:17p, 8/9/23
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bearkatag15 said:
Mr.Bond said:
2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?


Any offer without a 3 starting would be an insult
There's a high correlation to the top 20 highest paid players and their teams not having success.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 4:18p, 8/9/23
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AgLA06 said:
Mr.Bond said:
2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?
I think the better question is what happens to the Astros long term if he does.

It's either going to hurt our ability to sign Astros that have been with the team longer or go after free agents that have generally been a big part of the playoffs.



If bregman and or framber become unsignable because we lock up a top 3 OF in baseball..... I'm ok with it
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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In reply to bearkatag15 • 4:18p, 8/9/23
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bearkatag15 said:
Don't forget the zero at the end and I bet he would consider



Are you saying 350 million??
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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In reply to AgLA06 • 4:18p, 8/9/23
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AgLA06 said:
bearkatag15 said:
Mr.Bond said:
2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?


Any offer without a 3 starting would be an insult
There's a high correlation to the top 20 highest paid players and their teams not having success.
Usually because it is crappy teams trying to buy success.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 4:19p, 8/9/23
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AgLA06 said:
bearkatag15 said:
Mr.Bond said:
2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?


Any offer without a 3 starting would be an insult
There's a high correlation to the top 20 highest paid players and their teams not having success.


Yes but also most of them are a lot older. Like Scherzer and JV are two top 5 paid guys and they are both 40

Tucker would be a top 20 paid player and in his 20s still.
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In reply to Mr.Bond • 4:19p, 8/9/23
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Yes
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In reply to Mr.Bond • 4:19p, 8/9/23
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Mr.Bond said:
2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?
Would they? I lean towards no. I'll believe Crane is willing once its reported he has made the offer. Until then, I am very skeptical.

I assume you mean 8/280 = buying out 2 years of arbitration and extend him 6 years. If he gets something like 15 M per year for the first 2 seasons (buy out of arb) then he gets around 41-42 M per year for the next 6 years. I think that is high enough to get him to consider this deal. That puts him back on the market after his age 34 season. Just young enough he might get 1 last decent contract, but its borderline.

I think we might better off going a little shorter with a very slightly higher evaluation. Maybe 6/225. That locks up his prime and lets him hit the market young enough to get another bigish deal. Or you go the other way and say, you're an Astro for life. Here is 13/330. The longer deal helps with the luxury tax #.
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In reply to AgHawkeye • 4:20p, 8/9/23
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AgHawkeye said:
Maybe this got mentioned last night as I wasn't on the thread the whole game. I kinda thought Mateo acted like a punk when he robbed Yordan of the HR with his acting like he was upset at first. Thought it a good bit of karma that he looked the fool on the one in the 9th. Anyway, got reminded of that watching the highlights.
Don't go look at what Juliop did if that bothered you.
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bearkatag15 said:
Yes


Don't see that as a remote possibility
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


MAGA

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AgLA06 said:
bearkatag15 said:
Mr.Bond said:
2 parter...... would astros offer Tuck 8/280 and would he take it?


Any offer without a 3 starting would be an insult
There's a high correlation to the top 20 highest paid players and their teams not having success.

Verlander - 43.33MM - Mets are done
Scherzer - 43.33MM - Mets are done
Judge - 40.00 MM - Yankees are a fringe team
Rendon - 38.6 MM - Angels LOL
Trout - 37.1 MM - Angels again
Cole - 36.00 MM - Yankees still a fringe team
Seager - 35.5 MM - The exception
Arenado - 35.00 MM - Cardinals are done
Strasburg - 35.00 MM - Nats are done
Lindor - 34.1 MM - Mets are done
Correa - 33.33 MM - Twins only alive due to weak division
Stanton - 32.00 MM - Yankees a fringe team, Stanton underachieving
Cabrera - 32.00 MM - Tigers are done
Machado - 32.00 MM - Padres are done
Bregman - 30.16 MM
Ohtani - 30.00 MM - Angels just about done
DeGrom - 30.00 MM - Has pitches like two games this year
Altuve - 29.00 MM
Bryant - 28.00 MM - Rockies are done
Harper - 27.5 MM - Philies are done



Of the top 20 highest players, Seager is the only one on a team that is in control of their own destiny. Bregman and Tuve are the only other two guys that have good shot at the playoffs.


These massive contracts statistically dont work out for the team.
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