We've got to get off this road trip staying within arms reach. The arlingtons are much improved no doubt but I just can't see them fading the heat of a late August and September race.

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Severino coming up with a 7.5 ERA tomorrow

He's gotten pummeled multiple times in July. Should be a good litmus test

If we make him look like Noah "Cy Young" Syndegaard then some tough questions need to be asked

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I mean we are what we are at this point. Capable of unloading but also very capable of shutting down.

Farmer1906 said:

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Mr President Elect said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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I understand that its impact isn’t too significant, but optimizing your batting order is the single least expensive way to increase your run expectancy. It’s silly not to do it.

— Aidan Resnick (@AidanResnick) August 4, 2023

Facts

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I could be misremembering, but I thought they did a decent study on this and came to the conclusion that order doesn't make that much of a difference

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It doesn't make a huge difference but it makes a difference. Even if it's as simple as better players getting more chances.

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Well, I am pretty sure that is where the run difference comes from, but fans tend to make a little more out of the batting order than it actually warrants. I was trying to find the study, but couldn't. I did see a fansgraph article that stated 5-15 runs over the season of an optimal vs non-optimal (not worst possible) lineup, which equates to 1 to 2 wins. That's not nothing but isn't worth getting worked up over either imo. I get more upset about all the off days (and lack thereof for some) than the actual order.

Altuve
Tucker
Yordan
Bregman
Chas
Abreu
Diaz
Peña
Julks/Myers

At this point I want to release Paredes or Madris, free up a spot on the 40 man, and bring up Singleton.

Ease him in, let him come up, be relaxed, no high leverage spots, and work up to it. He can only pummel AAA for so long.

He's got a huge shot at career redemption or we learn he's a AAAA player.

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Yordan was our 3 hitter before his injury. What changed? Did we add a big bat from trade? No we didn't. WTF changed and why isn't he batting 3rd?

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TK mentioned that it had to do with how well Tucker was hitting there currently and didn't want to move him from there, but probably would probably go back to Yordan at some point.

Angels can't even make it a week acting like the decision to be buyers was a good one

And Seattle can't make it a week without making the decision they were sellers.

Prosperdick said:

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txags11 said:

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Altuve
Tucker
Yordan
Bregman
Chas
Abreu
Diaz
Peña
Julks/Myers

At this point I want to release Paredes or Madris, free up a spot on the 40 man, and bring up Singleton.

Ease him in, let him come up, be relaxed, no high leverage spots, and work up to it. He can only pummel AAA for so long.

He's got a huge shot at career redemption or we learn he's a AAAA player.

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I understand wanting Tucker and Yordan to bat in the 1st but with Bregman's eye I think he is perfect in the 2 hole...and I don't think he's a good clean-up hitter. With Altuve, Bregman, and Yordan 1-3 there is a VERY high chance of Tucker batting. In other words, I don't think he'll be leading off many innings.

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For the season, Bregman has batted 4th in 38 games, included 16 of the last 21, (160 PA): .264, 9 HR, 20 BB, 132 wRC+.
He's batted 2nd in 63 games (285 PA): .261, 9 HR, 37 BB, 123 wRC+

He's good in both spots, so I agree the top 4 should be Altuve, Tucker, Yordan, Bregman. To be perfectly honest, though, I think it won't matter much which order you put those 4 guys, as long as they are 1-4.

I wonder how long Dusty will keep trying to force the square Pena into a round hole.

No offense to anyone but had tucker ever or at least more than a handful of times batted in the 2 hole. That seems to be a favorite trope on this thread and I can't remember it ever happening.

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Prosperdick said:

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txags11 said:

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Altuve
Tucker
Yordan
Bregman
Chas
Abreu
Diaz
Peña
Julks/Myers

At this point I want to release Paredes or Madris, free up a spot on the 40 man, and bring up Singleton.

Ease him in, let him come up, be relaxed, no high leverage spots, and work up to it. He can only pummel AAA for so long.

He's got a huge shot at career redemption or we learn he's a AAAA player.

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I understand wanting Tucker and Yordan to bat in the 1st but with Bregman's eye I think he is perfect in the 2 hole...and I don't think he's a good clean-up hitter. With Altuve, Bregman, and Yordan 1-3 there is a VERY high chance of Tucker batting. In other words, I don't think he'll be leading off many innings.

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For the season, Bregman has batted 4th in 38 games, included 16 of the last 21, (160 PA): .264, 9 HR, 20 BB, 132 wRC+.
He's batted 2nd in 63 games (285 PA): .261, 9 HR, 37 BB, 123 wRC+

He's good in both spots, so I agree the top 4 should be Altuve, Tucker, Yordan, Bregman. To be perfectly honest, though, I think it won't matter much which order you put those 4 guys, as long as they are 1-4.

I wonder how long Dusty will keep trying to force the square Pena into a round hole.

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Considerably longer then he's been trying to make julks [/fetch] happen. Unlike julks we're married to Pena for the foreseeable future and need him to figure it out.

I'm fully prepared for Severino to "figure it out" tonight against this offense

My goal for the weekend was a split, and that's still in reach. I just that they avoid Framber on Sunday so that Urquidy can come back.

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I totally think Tuck and Bregman are interchangeable. With how good bregman works counts he may be better in the 2 spot bc he'll get better pitches to hit with who is behind him. Peña just isn't getting it done there, right now.

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Pena is Adam Everett right now, which isn't ideal but is still serviceable. However, he needs to bat at least 7th if not 8th for this stretch run. If memory server Adam almost always batted 7th (mostly since we had a pitcher hitting) but it just further demonstrates how preposterous it is to have Chas batting in that slot.

Dana and Crane need to sit Donkey down and make him provide (with supporting evidence) why he has Chas in the 7th hole and one of the best hitters in the league batting 5th.

Here's what I don't get...Yordan has been very vocal about playing LF and not being just a DH. Is he not as vocal about at least batting clean-up? He has to be frustrated coming up time and time again with the bases empty.

Just a reminder to everyone when we swept the Jankees last ALCS it wasn't a total dominating effort.

G1 4-2
G2 3-2
G3 5-0 (only exception)
G4 6-5

Also last reg season
Hou W 7-5
Hou W 3-2
NYY W 6-3
NYY W 7-6
Hou W 3-0
Hou W 3-1

They always play us tight whether it's reg season or playoffs, with a few exceptions. So let's just come out and play ball today and take a W

I think not getting a bat at the trade deadline is going to end up hurting us. Pena is sitting first class on the struggle bus. Abreu has been there all season except a small hiatus in June(?). Myers, Julks, and Madris are useless off the bench and even more useless as starters. But pretty much every night Yordan is DH, one those guys have to be in the lineup because we have no other OF option. Appreciate him holding the line while Altuve was out, but Dubon has turned back into Dubon. For some reason we're refusing to bring up other guys and give them a shot.

Combine all of that with Dusty's daily, non-sensical lineups and we have problems scoring. I get teams were "asking alot", but we went "all in" with JV. Why not do that with another bat? We needed one.

With the way our lineup is; we have to have McCormick and Diaz in the lineup every single day.