***** 2023 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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Sex Panther
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In reply to BadAggie • 3:33p, 7/27/23
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BadAggie said:
Sex Panther said:
BadAggie said:
What would be the surprise trade ala Greinke nobody sees coming?


We trade for... Zack Greinke

Need another bat off the bench anyway


Seems done. I guess he could eat a few innings

I would love it, I don't care if he doesn't even play. He's one of my favorite Astros ever. Reminds me I need to find a Greinke jersey. Greinke Space City would be awesome and appropriate
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In reply to Sex Panther • 3:33p, 7/27/23
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Sex Panther said:
BadAggie said:
What would be the surprise trade ala Greinke nobody sees coming?


We trade for... Zack Greinke

Need another bat off the bench anyway
Let him play SS.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 3:34p, 7/27/23
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More looking. We have a ton of OF in our System.

1. CF Gilbert (49 overall) - AA
3. RF Ryan Clifford - A+
5. RF Luis Baez - A
7. CF Joey Loperfido - AA
9. CF Kenedy Corona - AA
11. CF Jacob Melton - A+
12. CF Kenni Gomez - CPX
17. RF Colin Barber - AA
18. LF Esmil Valencia - DSL
20. CF Pedro Leon - AAA
29. RF Justin Dirden - AAA
32. RF Zach Daniels - AA

5 of the top 10
10 of the top 20
7 in either AA/AAA

I think when we buy this is a pool we need to pull from. We have Tucker thru 2025, Chas thru 2026, & Alvarez thru 2028. If we feel confident about Gilbert in the next 1-2 years plus Baez & Gomez in 2-4 years then we should really look at moving on from a few of Julks, Meyers, Leon, Dirden, Daniels, & Barber.
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In reply to TRM • 3:37p, 7/27/23
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TRM said:
Sex Panther said:
BadAggie said:
What would be the surprise trade ala Greinke nobody sees coming?


We trade for... Zack Greinke

Need another bat off the bench anyway
Let him play SS.
He does have a career batting average of .225. Hmmmmm
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In reply to Chef Elko • 3:38p, 7/27/23
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Danwell Home said:
TRM said:
Sex Panther said:
BadAggie said:
What would be the surprise trade ala Greinke nobody sees coming?


We trade for... Zack Greinke

Need another bat off the bench anyway
Let him play SS.
He does have a career batting average of .225. Hmmmmm
Can he catch?
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3:47p, 7/27/23
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I know it's very early, but we might have something in Parker Mushinski.

Pitch - Pitch % - Stuff+
Curve - 33.6% - 174
Cutter - 28.0% - 101
4-Seam - 18.2% - 89
Slider - 16.1% - 147

If Stuff+ doesn't mean much to you, that's okay. It takes in account velo, spin, horizontal & vertical movement, release point & extension, spin efficiency, & the difference in velo & movement from the primary fastball. And as with other "+" stats, 100 is the league avg and the amount over or under 100 is the % better than the league avg.

For comparison, Pressly has a 154 stuff+ on his curve ball & Bryan Abreu has 145 stuff plus on his slider. It is only 7.2 IP of work so I am sure the #s are still settling in, but on the other hand, stuff is stuff. It shouldn't wildly fluctuate.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 4:05p, 7/27/23
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Farmer1906 said:
I know it's very early, but we might have something in Parker Mushinski.

Pitch - Pitch % - Stuff+
Curve - 33.6% - 174
Cutter - 28.0% - 101
4-Seam - 18.2% - 89
Slider - 16.1% - 147

If Stuff+ doesn't mean much to you, that's okay. It takes in account velo, spin, horizontal & vertical movement, release point & extension, spin efficiency, & the difference in velo & movement from the primary fastball. And as with other "+" stats, 100 is the league avg and the amount over or under 100 is the % better than the league avg.

For comparison, Pressly has a 154 stuff+ on his curve ball & Bryan Abreu has 145 stuff plus on his slider. It is only 7.2 IP of work so I am sure the #s are still settling in, but on the other hand, stuff is stuff. It shouldn't wildly fluctuate.
He was looking good and had a lot of movement on most of his pitches. Makes sense with that low fastball %.
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In reply to BCEDAg • 4:09p, 7/27/23
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BCEDAg said:
We've all heard rumors about possible trades that Brown may be making but the later this drags on toward the deadline the more less confident I feel that he'll make a deal that brings high end pitching. I was hoping for JV, Giolito , Snell and/or Hader but Giolito has been deal, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Rangers complete a deal for Snell and Hader while they're playing in San Diego. Hope I'm wrong but wish Brown would pull the trigger before that happens.
Dana's plan to trade off the major league roster has been blown up

it has to be prospects now
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 4:10p, 7/27/23
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That IS very interesting - I had no idea his stuff numbers were playing so high.

If those indeed are true to form and not statistical noise, I imagine we would encourage him to lean more on the cutter and less on the 4-seam. If he can consistently throw strikes with the cutter, he may not need the 4-seam as he can lean on the two breaking balls as out pitches.
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In reply to W • 4:13p, 7/27/23
Not following. Why does it matter if he trades prospects or big league guys?
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In reply to MaxPower • 4:17p, 7/27/23
probably because Meyers and Julks are slumping
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4:19p, 7/27/23
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4:26p, 7/27/23
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Do the Dodgers just have an endless supply of prospects?
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In reply to Ag_07 • 4:28p, 7/27/23
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Yes
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4:29p, 7/27/23
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the plan was to clear the outfield logjam on the major league roster at the trade deadline

Jake had a .760 OPS on June 10th

Julks had a .751 OPS on July 6th

teams would be interested in them at those numbers (plus years of control)

good luck now
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In reply to Ag_07 • 4:31p, 7/27/23
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Ag_07 said:
Do the Dodgers just have an endless supply of prospects?


The Dodgers are top tier at development. But you can afford to trade some off when you go out and sign guys to 365 M & 165 M dollar deals.
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In reply to W • 4:35p, 7/27/23
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W said:
the plan was to clear the outfield logjam on the major league roster at the trade deadline

Jake had a .760 OPS on June 10th

Julks had a .751 OPS on July 6th

teams would be interested in them at those numbers (plus years of control)

good luck now
I'll believe that when Bagwell, I mean 2015 says it
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4:37p, 7/27/23
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Ohtani just hit another… and may have hurt himself.
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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 4:37p, 7/27/23
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:
W said:
the plan was to clear the outfield logjam on the major league roster at the trade deadline

Jake had a .760 OPS on June 10th

Julks had a .751 OPS on July 6th

teams would be interested in them at those numbers (plus years of control)

good luck now
I'll believe that when Bagwell, I mean 2015 says it
Ketch*
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In reply to k20dub • 4:40p, 7/27/23
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k20dub said:
Lonestar_Ag09 said:
W said:
the plan was to clear the outfield logjam on the major league roster at the trade deadline

Jake had a .760 OPS on June 10th

Julks had a .751 OPS on July 6th

teams would be interested in them at those numbers (plus years of control)

good luck now
I'll believe that when Bagwell, I mean 2015 says it
Ketch*

I'll settle in the middle, Fat-Bagwell

Edit: obviously no clue about 2015's shape
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4:56p, 7/27/23
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I simply just share what I'm told. Obviously things change in the market every day. I can't control that. I'm sorry.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 4:57p, 7/27/23
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No one is mad or saying youre wrong. Just the "loving" nature of this thread.
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4:59p, 7/27/23
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Also I don't think Julks value has changed at all. He's in a funk but he's been hitting the ball hard. It's not like teams just look at his stat line on baseball reference.

Also I know I'm slacking on the updates this week. I've been traveling for work so I haven't been in the loop as much as usual.
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5:01p, 7/27/23
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Looks like what Altuve and Yordan just went through
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5:02p, 7/27/23
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 5:02p, 7/27/23
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2015 could be wrong on EVERY post he ever makes and he still wouldn't deserve being called Ketch.

To be clear, I appreciate the insights and discussion, 2015.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 5:03p, 7/27/23
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1. I'm just making jokes

2. I was meaning I trust your insights that have proven backgrounds vs W just declaring their value gone and we now have to rely on trading prospects

No offense to you either W, but you and Wabs have a tendency to doom and gloom quickly and declare worst case as the only option.
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In reply to bearkatag15 • 5:03p, 7/27/23
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bearkatag15 said:


Looks like what Altuve and Yordan just went through
Yep. That's their DH and #1 starter all in one package. 6-7 weeks would basically get them to mid September.

And that's the chance you take with Shohei. If he goes down it's 2 superstars in one.
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5:03p, 7/27/23
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Shohei is not human
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In reply to tjack16 • 5:04p, 7/27/23
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tjack16 said:
The Porkchop Express said:
tjack16 said:
Last night was Astros game #100 for me! (Add a few I can't remember when I was really young)

59-31 as the home team
6-4 as the road team

Is that some kind of an app? I don't think I can remember back into the 80s, but I would definitely like to waste time trying.


MLB ballpark app. You can retroactively add games you went to. It's a good way to kill an afternoon

My parents didn't really take us to games much when I was younger unless it was like a random "somebody gave us tickets" type of thing. They only cared about football and we didn't have much money… so any games before 2012 are hard to find for me but I was able to add a few of them.
Thanks for the info! But also, I really wish you hadn't given me this. Because this is going to be a time waster beyond all time wasters trying to use BR to see which games I've gone to over the years.
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5:04p, 7/27/23
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That would be the most Angels thing ever.

Ohtani goes down for 6 weeks with an oblique and can't be traded but he also can't play so they have no shot at the playoffs and because he's not playing no one is coming to the games so they're losing out on gate money they were banking on by not trading him.
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In reply to SpaceCityAg05 • 5:05p, 7/27/23
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Now, if he ever supports the idea of batting Dubon-Peña 1-2, then we can skip calling him Ketch and just call him Dusty.
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5:06p, 7/27/23
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Lol. Yeah just not a fan of the Ketch thing considering the reputation he has. I can never tell if it's a shot at me or not. All good
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 5:06p, 7/27/23
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I just spent 25 minutes scouring YouTube looking for a particular homerun … only thing I remember from a game I attended in 2008
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In reply to Ag_07 • 5:06p, 7/27/23
snakebitten organization
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