To me, Dubon is this year's version of 2017 Marwin and 2022 Aledmys Diaz. Do we win titles without those guys? Hard to say but I'd rather not take the risk.
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I'd do it so long as we make a low key corresponding trade to acquire a serviceable middle infield depth guy. Even if just through the end of the year. Then re-assess this offseason.Farmer1906 said:
Red Sox could be interested in Dubon
Dubon for Verdugo straight up. Who says no?
Dubon is a Dusty guy through and through
If that deal would happen we may as well trade Chas and Diaz cause no way they'll ever see the field again.
If that deal would happen we may as well trade Chas and Diaz cause no way they'll ever see the field again.
ready to have a ballgame back on the TV tonight
I really hope the Astros take advantage of the July schedule and overtake the Rangers. Especially with Yordan coming back soon and Altuve soon after.
We are back to being the favorites to win the West on draftkings. Opened the season at -215 (rangers +900!), hit our low of +240 on June 24th (rangers -150).
Now we're at -115 (rangers +135). Most of the other books have us as slight underdogs or pick 'em. ESPN has the Rangers winning 95 games and us 91. Fangraphs has the rangers winning 87.7 games and us 87.6!
I think our guys that have done it before are going to fare better than their guys that haven't and we win in a close race, but it's going to be an interesting one for the first time in a while!
Now we're at -115 (rangers +135). Most of the other books have us as slight underdogs or pick 'em. ESPN has the Rangers winning 95 games and us 91. Fangraphs has the rangers winning 87.7 games and us 87.6!
I think our guys that have done it before are going to fare better than their guys that haven't and we win in a close race, but it's going to be an interesting one for the first time in a while!
Let's all take a moment to gaze in wonder at the complete 180 this thread, myself as much or more than others, has had in regards to opinions on Dubon.
Aledmys was 1-15 in the playoffs and was mediocre during the season. We would have been fine without him.Wabs said:
To me, Dubon is this year's version of 2017 Marwin and 2022 Aledmys Diaz. Do we win titles without those guys? Hard to say but I'd rather not take the risk.
Marwin is a different story, but the main difference there is that we had capable bats on the bench. I like the idea of selling high on Dubon, but our bench sucks so badly that it doesn't make sense to do that.
But his ability to play different positions and allow guys to rest was extremely valuable down the stretch.
Yeah, but he wasn't much better than replacement level. Dubon (even though he was bad last year) wasn't much of a drop-off from Aledmys on offense and better on defense.texasaggie2015 said:
But his ability to play different positions and allow guys to rest was extremely valuable down the stretch.
Dubon this year is a level better than anything else we have or could pick up for cheap.
I mentioned this on #TheATeam yesterday - if Yordan Alvarez collects an RBI tonight w/ the @SLSpaceCowboys , it'll be the 100th RBI in his AAA career...in just his 102nd AAA game.
— Adam Wexler (@AdamJWexler) July 14, 2023
BTW I think we are on the same page. I think Dubon is essential to a 2nd half run.
The only difference is that I'm saying Aledmys was not, both because he wasn't as good as 2023 Dubon and because we had the depth to easily replace him.
The only difference is that I'm saying Aledmys was not, both because he wasn't as good as 2023 Dubon and because we had the depth to easily replace him.
Completely irrelevant but I heard it talked about on the radio as I was out for lunch.
Straight up...Pena for Ohtani
Who says no?
Straight up...Pena for Ohtani
Who says no?
The Angels?Ag_07 said:
Completely irrelevant but I heard it talked about on the radio as I was out for lunch.
Straight up...Pena for Ohtani
Who says no?
Dubon was 1 for 16 vs. Seattle --- completely overmatched by higher level pitching
hopefully he gets back to pounding the cupcakes after the break. Has great numbers vs. the Angels and Rockies
hopefully he gets back to pounding the cupcakes after the break. Has great numbers vs. the Angels and Rockies
speaking of Pena...
he needs to pick it up in the second half to show improvement from his rookie year
2022 ---> .715 OPS and OPS+ of 101
2023 ---> .700 OPS and OPS+ of 93
he needs to pick it up in the second half to show improvement from his rookie year
2022 ---> .715 OPS and OPS+ of 101
2023 ---> .700 OPS and OPS+ of 93
W said:
speaking of Pena...
he needs to be put back in the 2 hole
FIFY
GrossAg_07 said:W said:
speaking of Pena...
he needs to be put back in the 2 hole
FIFY
Peña needs to be in the 2 hole and take the first pitch.
Ag_07 said:
Completely irrelevant but I heard it talked about on the radio as I was out for lunch.
Straight up...Pena for Ohtani
Who says no?
Was this on High Times Radio?
Ag_07 said:
Completely irrelevant but I heard it talked about on the radio as I was out for lunch.
Straight up...Pena for Ohtani
Who says no?
If we are trading Peña, I would want to do something a little more realistic like Peña, Chas, Leon, Lee, and 2 pitching prospects not named Hunter Brown for Tim Anderson, Robert, and Giolito. Still not even sure Chicago does that. Just trying to take Anderson off their hands for Peña might be appealing to them.
In 2023 Tim Anderson has a WAR of -1.7 and an OPS+ of 46. Take out what he did to us the first week of the season and imagine how much worse those numbers would be.
Hard pass.
Hard pass.
Mathguy64 said:
In 2023 Tim Anderson has a WAR of -1.7 and an OPS+ of 46. Take out what he did to us the first week of the season and imagine how much worse those numbers would be.
Hard pass.
I agree he's one of the worst in the league now, but you are also getting Robert in the deal and hoping Anderson can turn back into his former self. Peña isn't exactly giving us a lot right now anyways.
Apparently Robert is one of 4 on their "untradeable" list.
BMX Bandit said:Ag_07 said:
Completely irrelevant but I heard it talked about on the radio as I was out for lunch.
Straight up...Pena for Ohtani
Who says no?
Was this on High Times Radio?
610..So yes
They were also saying that it would take 2 top 30 prospects and 2 MLB prospects and they'd give LAA anyone but Yordan, Tucker, or Framber for Ohtani.
Are we trying to be the Houston White Sox?superaggie73 said:Mathguy64 said:
In 2023 Tim Anderson has a WAR of -1.7 and an OPS+ of 46. Take out what he did to us the first week of the season and imagine how much worse those numbers would be.
Hard pass.
I agree he's one of the worst in the league now, but you are also getting Robert in the deal and hoping Anderson can turn back into his former self. Peña isn't exactly giving us a lot right now anyways.
After the draft, the Astros now have zero Top 100 prospects. https://t.co/g5vooMPO0g
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) July 14, 2023
Ratings mean nothing
Translation: Draft order is all that matters so Baseball America inserted all the high draft picks automatically into the top prospects list which bumped out the older high draft picks that didn't make it.
You can almost sense the smug excitement in his stupid ****ing tweet.EastCoastAgNc said:After the draft, the Astros now have zero Top 100 prospects. https://t.co/g5vooMPO0g
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) July 14, 2023
Ratings mean nothing
What? Lmao he's literally doing his job....
I get why he annoys some of you, but come on. This is a stretch.
I get why he annoys some of you, but come on. This is a stretch.
EastCoastAgNc said:After the draft, the Astros now have zero Top 100 prospects. https://t.co/g5vooMPO0g
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) July 14, 2023
Ratings mean nothing
No Astros in the new Baseball America top 100 prospects. This is why the Prospect Promotion Incentive pick doesn’t make sense. It’s based on opinions for top 100 prospects lists.
— Astros Future (@AstrosFuture) July 14, 2023
I think you can easily make a case for a few Astros to be in there, especially over some of the guys…
The prospect promotion incentive should have nothing to do with top 100 rankings. If you have a prospect who wins ROY and was on your roster the whole season, you accomplished the point of this incentive anyways. https://t.co/iSXqjnVvlI
— Astros Future (@AstrosFuture) July 14, 2023
This is why it's worth reporting on. He's not smiling and loving every second of tweeting that.
texasaggie2015 said:
What? Lmao he's literally doing his job....
I get why he annoys some of you, but come on. This is a stretch.
So trading Dubon would piss off Dusty? I'm really warming up to this idea….Ag_07 said:
Dubon is a Dusty guy through and through
If that deal would happen we may as well trade Chas and Diaz cause no way they'll ever see the field again.
I'd trade Dubon. I think his pumpkin struck midnight several weeks ago. Or whatever that phrase is.
If he would embrace going oppo I would be all in, but I don't see that happening. His spray chart is now a solid cone around shortstop.
He hit three homers in early June and decided he was a power hitter. He isn't, and his on base percentage has dropped every month this season, sitting below .300 since May. He is not Altuve but swings like it.
He was great as an early season replacement, but this is the dictionary definition of selling high. Do it.
If he would embrace going oppo I would be all in, but I don't see that happening. His spray chart is now a solid cone around shortstop.
He hit three homers in early June and decided he was a power hitter. He isn't, and his on base percentage has dropped every month this season, sitting below .300 since May. He is not Altuve but swings like it.
He was great as an early season replacement, but this is the dictionary definition of selling high. Do it.
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
Dubon doesn't have to produce anywhere close to the level he produced in the first half to provide tremendous value. He has team control and can play all over the field. That's a valuable piece.
From what I've seen, his adjustments are for real. Is he a .300 hitter? No.. but if he can hit .250 and play all over the field, that's really all we need.
I haven't heard about Dubon as far as the trade market goes. It doesn't mean it's not possible.
From what I've seen, his adjustments are for real. Is he a .300 hitter? No.. but if he can hit .250 and play all over the field, that's really all we need.
I haven't heard about Dubon as far as the trade market goes. It doesn't mean it's not possible.
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