***** 2023 Houston Astros Season Thread *****

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Hornbeck said:

Yuli: can field his position
Abreu: man he was a great hitter at CHW
Yuli was -9 OAA in 2022
Abreu, someone not known for his defense, was +1. His worst year ever was only -7.
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I really expected to see Abreu rotated out more often. I just didn't expect him to play so much.

Thought he'd be rotated between 1B, DH, and days off. He's been out there most every night IIRC.

Maybe it happens more once Brantley gets back.
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It's possible Abreu is suffering the "trying too hard" syndrome of being a guy who has been an outstanding individual player joining a team that has known nothing but winning for 6 years in a row. That can be tough, even for an All-Star.
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He's a notoriously slow starter. I think that's really all there is to it.
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The Porkchop Express said:

It's possible Abreu is suffering the "trying too hard" syndrome of being a guy who has been an outstanding individual player joining a team that has known nothing but winning for 6 years in a row. That can be tough, even for an All-Star.
When I google searched "what's wrong with Jose Abreu" this morning there were 2 or 3 short articles talking about him still adjusting to a new team and all that. I won't completely rule out the psychological side of things, including "trying too hard." Ag_07 mentioned it, but Jose could probably use a day off to just watch the team with the coaches.

He's played in all 23 games.
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redline248 said:

The Porkchop Express said:

It's possible Abreu is suffering the "trying too hard" syndrome of being a guy who has been an outstanding individual player joining a team that has known nothing but winning for 6 years in a row. That can be tough, even for an All-Star.
When I google searched "what's wrong with Jose Abreu" this morning there were 2 or 3 short articles talking about him still adjusting to a new team and all that. I won't completely rule out the psychological side of things, including "trying too hard." Ag_07 mentioned it, but Jose could probably use a day off to just watch the team with the coaches.

He's played in all 23 games.
I would at least move him down the lineup a little until he figures it out. In fact I'd rather have him 5th or 6th just in general.
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You know what? Good for them. It wouldn't hurt them to spend a little, for once
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Wabs said:


Astros will seriously regret not getting ahead of Tucker's free agent value like the Pirates just did with Reynolds.
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Marvin said:

Wabs said:


Astros will seriously regret not getting ahead of Tucker's free agent value like the Pirates just did with Reynolds.
I believe they have tried, twice
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Speaking of Tucker, I haven't really heard anything new as far as an extension with Houston goes. Last I heard, the chances of him being extended were "around 1%" and he's pretty much dead set on pursuing free agency.
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Wabs said:


Why on earth would he accept that? He could have hit FA and gotten at 150-200 M after making around 30 m finishing his arbitration.

TED would laugh at an offer like that.
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Dana has basically said that Tuck and Framber aren't negotiating during the season. If the Astros want to go above and beyond, I'm sure that could change but it doesn't seem likely (this season, anyway)
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linkdude said:

Dana has basically said that Tuck and Framber aren't negotiating during the season. If the Astros want to go above and beyond, I'm sure that could change but it doesn't seem likely (this season, anyway)
I think he said the Astros aren't working on any deals during the season right now. It's probably a 2-way street.
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These are Abreu's xwOBA by month. This isn't even his worst month ever. This screams streaky as hell for at least 2018, 2021, & 2022. I was not aware he was like that.



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So I'm in deep enemy territory for work, I got in the Uber at the airport and after a few minutes he asked where from. I debated just saying Texas, but I didn't. A moment of silence, a big sigh from the first seat… "You're an Astros fan ain't ya?" I laughed and said yup "Well ****, they did exactly what they was supposed to do, Phil's weren't even supposed to make the playoffs and y'all did exactly what you was supposed to"

I've debated trying to get a ticket to the Phil's tomorrow evening but I'm not very close to the stadium. I consciously did not pack any Orange/Blue which is rare for me
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Farmer1906 said:

Wabs said:


Why on earth would he accept that? He could have hit FA and gotten at 150-200 M after making around 30 m finishing his arbitration.

TED would laugh at an offer like that.
If you take away the money Reynolds would have made in arbitration, he basically signed the same deal Andrew Benintendi got/ 5/75. Reynolds is top 10-15 OF in baseball. I am not sure Beni cracks the top 30-40.
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I'm really curious about the 6 team list.
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I'm mentally preparing myself that Tuck is not going to be a lifer Astro. We long-termed Altuve, Alvarez, and Bregman, plus Javier. I'm going to have to be happy with those.

Really wishing we hadn't given LMJ the 5/85 deal right now.
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Quote:

Really wishing we hadn't given LMJ the 5/85 deal right now
Only 3 years left on that....after this one. We'll probably get another dozen starts
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Silver lining on that deal is that if we would've waited to see how he recovered it would've cost more after that 2021 season he had.
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Garcia gunna let the cutter eat tonight.

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oh my, Reynolds accepted that contract?

a career .850 OPS guy should fetch at least $20 MM per season. More like $25 MM per season
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of course the problem with historical data on Abreu...

he's was a younger player then
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For his career Yuli is at 0. His high is +8. If I'm reading the stats correctly Abreu's carrer OAA is -7.

What about errors? Yuli has 26 errors in 8 seasons at first base which is 3.25 a year. Abreu has 74 errors in 10 seasons which is 7.4 a year.
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The Porkchop Express said:

It's possible Abreu is suffering the "trying too hard" syndrome of being a guy who has been an outstanding individual player joining a team that has known nothing but winning for 6 years in a row. That can be tough, even for an All-Star.


Also known as the Trey Mancini complex. I hope/ think you could be right.
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YZ250 said:

For his career Yuli is at 0. His high is +8. If I'm reading the stats correctly Abreu's carrer OAA is -7.

What about errors? Yuli has 26 errors in 8 seasons at first base which is 3.25 a year. Abreu has 74 errors in 10 seasons which is 7.4 a year.
I am not trying to claim Abreu is some defensive wiz at 1st. My only point was that anyone insinuating Abreu can't field his position and Yuli can is off base.

Also, be careful using errors to judge someone's defense. That is one incomplete piece of the puzzle.

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That is an insane deal for the pirates
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Imagine the haul they could get trading him now with that contract inked
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OUCH



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Wabs said:

OUCH




I'll keep this in mind next time I get ready to criticize Maldonado.
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That Reynolds deal is such a steal
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