Farmer1906 said:

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I'll jump in on Siri.

He's walking a tightrope of success. He almost has as many HRs and singles. He still strikes out about 1/3 of the time, but he's been unbelievably successful at barreling the ball. If he were a stock, I am selling high.

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I agree. But would you trade Chas to get him back?

I'll concede that you move Chas or Jake if an option presents itself to make a good deal with some control in future years but IMO Chas shouldn't be blown on a rental for this season unless its a must have to cover for a LT injury.

I don't think Siri would have ever found success here. Some guys need a change of scenery and he was one of them

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Farmer1906 said:

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Harry Dunne said:

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33-24 When Yordan is in the starting lineup....

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See. Play your best players and good things happen.

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Dusty is an easy (and often deserving) target, but I think with a healthy roster we have a healthy lead in the division and are still the favorites for the pennant.

He has always been so bad at playing his best players and this year it is more noticeable because our not best players are so much worse than in the past, but at the same he has always had us ready to play in the postseason and for the most part made the right choices when we got there.

If you look at his career and how many times he has been fired after having very good seasons, it's pretty obvious that he's great at creating a culture that allows players to succeed...but that those teams came to the conclusion that his execution handicapped the team too much to win it all (and I believe all but the Reds did shortly go on to win it all). I do agree that we won it all last year despite some of his shenanigans...but at the same I don't think just anyone could have stepped in and did what he did after the scandal. I'm very thankful for what he did and feel that like like any retiring HOFer he deserves one lap while crapping the bed. ONE lap. Not four Miggy laps.

But man get us to the playoffs healthy and I wouldn't want to be playing against us.

On a related topic, I'm not totally surprised AJ was liked so much more. He's smart, polished and made sound choices. At the same time the scandal happened under his watch and I believe he directly cost us the title in 2019. I believe Dusty never lets the scandal happen and for sure leaves Greinke in.

But at the same time Dusty probably gives Tony Kemp 500 ABs and plays Marwin ahead of Correa and we never make it there.

All this to say that I think in general all managers get both more credit and blame than they deserve.

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I don't think Siri would have ever found success here. Some guys need a change of scenery and he was one of them

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TBH, Siri had not found success anywhere at any level. His K rate was off the charts at every level.

He was a world class defensive CFer who struck out as much as Joey Gallo without the corresponding walks or HRs.

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I don't think Siri would have ever found success here. Some guys need a change of scenery and he was one of them

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Everyone always says that to make themselves feel better about players that go on to do well but I think most of them just needed playing time. The only one I really buy it for is JD Martinez, who totally changed his approach which might not have happened here.

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Farmer1906 said:

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I'll jump in on Siri.

He's walking a tightrope of success. He almost has as many HRs and singles. He still strikes out about 1/3 of the time, but he's been unbelievably successful at barreling the ball. If he were a stock, I am selling high.

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I agree. But would you trade Chas to get him back?

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Ooooo this is a good question. I lean no. I'll take the more known, steady, solid player versus one I think will swing wildly (pun intended) from great to terrible.

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Look, I understand being discouraged and frustrated. I am too. But we aren't even to the All-Star break yet.

Is this team underperforming? Absolutely. There's still a ton of baseball left. Yordan will be back soon. Sometimes all it takes is one or two moves to provide a big spark and to get rolling.

This team has tons of postseason experience and all it takes is sneaking into the playoffs to have a legitimate chance at another title run. I don't understand the "season is over, just get ready for next year" mentality. That's absolutely ridiculous. Just stop it.

Sure, it's possible it's just not our year. We've been very spoiled. But teams get scorching hot in the second half all the time and this team absolutely could. The Washington Nationals were 40-40 on June 28th 2019 and we know how that story ended. The Atlanta Braves were 37-40 on June 28th 2021. The Philadelphia Phillies were 39-36 on June 28th 2022. The Astros are currently 42-37. Just let it play out and see what happens. Giving up on the season when we haven't even reached the all-star break is extremely premature.

Be frustrated. Be angry. Be disappointed. But this is baseball.. it's a marathon. There's a ton of games left and things can change very quickly.

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But perhaps the most important thing, Dusty Baker, will not change. At all, much less quickly. It is not the player performance causing the thoughts of saving capital until next year.

Those teams you mentioned did not have to overcome the absolute idiocy of a brain dead potato to make their playoff runs.

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On a related topic, I'm not totally surprised AJ was liked so much more. He's smart, polished and made sound choices. At the same time the scandal happened under his watch and I believe he directly cost us the title in 2019. I believe Dusty never lets the scandal happen and for sure leaves Greinke in.

But at the same time Dusty probably gives Tony Kemp 500 ABs and plays Marwin ahead of Correa and we never make it there.

All this to say that I think in general all managers get both more credit and blame than they deserve.

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I think the Nationals win that WS before Game 7 even happens if Dusty is there.

If the Astros even make it to begin with.

But you are right about Hinch.

I still can't get over Dusty's decision last night on the PH for Maldy. There were like 4 wrong decisions that transpired all at once, probably more that I'm not thinking about.

- PH Madris who had 3 total ABs this season
- Don't PH Altuve who is healthy enough to play today
- Maldy hit a HR earlier in the game (not saying thats a reason, but at least PH for someone better)
- Lose the DH spot in the event we go extras because he refuses to start Diaz at C

Can someone give me some rationale here? I don't see any.

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Can someone give me some rationale here?

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Dusty logic.

The biggest issue with the offense is the more free swinging nature of almost half the line up any given night.

Dubon, Abreu, Diaz, Julks, Pena, and Maldy. Those guys are always ready to swing. Four of them are young hitters, who can hopefully develop some plate discipline as Springer did. But man, when those guys see like 3 pitches and AB, we get bad pitchers like Montgomery last night riding easily into the 6th. That's a guy even the Astros team of last year runs out of the game by the 5th at latest.

Really hope some of the young hitters put a lot of time in this offseason on pitch recognition and their hitting zones.

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I think the Nationals win that WS before Game 7 even happens if Dusty is there.

If the Astros even make it to begin with.

But you are right about Hinch.

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Man I disagree. Playoff Dusty is a good manager and that 2019 team was so good even Dusty wouldn't have stepped on his own D enough to stop them during the regular season.

2017 took some finesse and I don't think Dusty gets us there.

Although we forget that AJ was overly loyal to Beltran and a fading Reddick and even though he made high-percentage in-game choices, I didn't love all of his lineups and personnel decisions either.

I believe he got a lot more grace from fans because he presented a lot better. But he also had a bad ass roster that made him look good. How well-liked is he in Detroit right now? Serious question.

Farmer1906 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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I'll jump in on Siri.

He's walking a tightrope of success. He almost has as many HRs and singles. He still strikes out about 1/3 of the time, but he's been unbelievably successful at barreling the ball. If he were a stock, I am selling high.

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I agree. But would you trade Chas to get him back?

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Ooooo this is a good question. I lean no. I'll take the more known, steady, solid player versus one I think will swing wildly (pun intended) from great to terrible.

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Do overs like this are hard to judge but to be fair I would take it back. Siri is outperforming Chas and Meyers. 135 wRC+ and a 1.8fWAR. And all world defense.

If he had played that way here he would be in CF every day.

But sometimes guys have to move. Would Cleveland like Diaz and Maton back? In a heartbeat I suspect.

My co-worker is a die hard Tigers fan. He likes Hinch. He just has nothing to work with there.

On a side note, that's the third Ranger post on this thread with no comment by mods or apparent punishment. Just a quiet delete.

Double. Standard. By. TexAgs.

Farmer1906 said:

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Harry Dunne said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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I'll jump in on Siri.

He's walking a tightrope of success. He almost has as many HRs and singles. He still strikes out about 1/3 of the time, but he's been unbelievably successful at barreling the ball. If he were a stock, I am selling high.

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I agree. But would you trade Chas to get him back?

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Ooooo this is a good question. I lean no. I'll take the more known, steady, solid player versus one I think will swing wildly (pun intended) from great to terrible.

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Plus, Siri has had a really good start, but I'm not sure he ends up with more than 25 HRs this season.

I think if Chas would have gotten regular playing time, he would have had 25 HR this season too. Chas is on like a 1 in 20 HR per AB rate right now. He only has 142 AB in 79 games played and 7 HR. Right now, he's on pace for like 290 ABs. and at a 1 in 20 HR per AB rate, thats about 15 HR. If he has 500 ABs, at a 1 in 20 rate, he'd be at 25 HR, which I think he's capable of and would have been really nice to have out of a CF who plays above average defense.

But for some reason it's hard for that guy to see the field over Julks.

The CF in aggregate has 10 HR in 271 ABs. The aggregate CF HR rate is 1 in 27 ABs. The CF position is on pace for 20 HR.

I feel really bad for Chas, who I feel certainly earned the chance to start the season in CF.

Marvin said:

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On a side note, that's the third Ranger post on this thread with no comment by mods or apparent punishment. Just a quiet delete.

Double. Standard. By. TexAgs.

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Serious question - why does it matter that much?

I saw one post from a Rangers fan last night and everyone ignored the post. Why give them the satisfaction of getting riled up when they post here?

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On a side note, that's the third Ranger post on this thread with no comment by mods or apparent punishment. Just a quiet delete.

Double. Standard. By. TexAgs.

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Flag it, maybe they aren't paying attention.

I am still surprised Tucker never got a real shot in CF.

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Imagine a senerio where we do make it to the WS. There is a good chance we'll still be stuck with Dusty. Wash ,rinse, repeat. Espada needs to be the Skipper.

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I'll jump in here…I want Espada as bad as anyone and Dusty to leave. But anyone on this thread who would trade a third ring and back to back titles just to get rid of dusty can kindly GTFO. Dusty can frustrate me until the day he dies sitting on that bench if it ends with a parade and another ring. Literally bury him under the mound.

Would that last part ever happen, no. But you're insane to complain that we could make it back to the WS and it might save his job

Amen

But I think we have a lot of posters (and a lot of people in our society in general) that get so committed to their POV that they'd rather see the thing they "love" fail than be wrong.

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Would that last part ever happen, no. But you're insane to complain that we could make it back to the WS and it might save his job

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Bingo. This is the most insane mentality I've ever heard.

"I hate my team's manager so much I hope we don't win a world championship so he can leave"

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Farmer1906 said:

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Harry Dunne said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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I'll jump in on Siri.

He's walking a tightrope of success. He almost has as many HRs and singles. He still strikes out about 1/3 of the time, but he's been unbelievably successful at barreling the ball. If he were a stock, I am selling high.

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I agree. But would you trade Chas to get him back?

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Ooooo this is a good question. I lean no. I'll take the more known, steady, solid player versus one I think will swing wildly (pun intended) from great to terrible.

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Do overs like this are hard to judge but to be fair I would take it back. Siri is outperforming Chas and Meyers. 135 wRC+ and a 1.8fWAR. And all world defense.

If he had played that way here he would be in CF every day.

But sometimes guys have to move. Would Cleveland like Diaz and Maton back? In a heartbeat I suspect.

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At this point, I woulnd't take the trade back and here's my reasoning:

Siri's HR rate is 1 in 11 ABs. That's a wild aberration to his career at this point. I'm not sure I believe that is who he'll be the remainder of the season, or, if it does keep up, that he'll repeat again next year.

According to Fangraphs, in 2023, Chas has a wRC+ of 119 and a 1.1WAR. He's not entirely far off.

Chas just needs to play more.

I think most of the last two pages we are all largely in general agreement despite the bickering. The core team is a bunch of really solid players, Dusty is frustrating, and we all are *****ing on here cause we want another ring and hate to see the team struggling. LFG take two from the Cards and sweep Arlington.

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On a related topic, I'm not totally surprised AJ was liked so much more. He's smart, polished and made sound choices. At the same time the scandal happened under his watch and I believe he directly cost us the title in 2019. I believe Dusty never lets the scandal happen and for sure leaves Greinke in.

But at the same time Dusty probably gives Tony Kemp 500 ABs and plays Marwin ahead of Correa and we never make it there.

All this to say that I think in general all managers get both more credit and blame than they deserve.

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He did not directly cost us the title. Rendon homers on a fat pitch and then Soto walks on 5 pitches. One would argue that the missed strike call on 2-1 was the main issue. Hinch had nothing to do with that. That strike changes the whole outcome of that at bat.

Even the Will Harris pitch was not that bad. Hit hit the exact spot the catcher was lined up. Does leaving Grienke in make a difference who knows, but he would get just as much flack if Grienke gave up a 2nd hr that inning or blew the lead.

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Marvin said:

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On a side note, that's the third Ranger post on this thread with no comment by mods or apparent punishment. Just a quiet delete.

Double. Standard. By. TexAgs.

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Serious question - why does it matter that much?

I saw one post from a Rangers fan last night and everyone ignored the post. Why give them the satisfaction of getting riled up when they post here?

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It matters to me because good posters from this thread were banned for doing the same on their thread. I don't like favoritism, negligence, or incompetence… which reminds me to get back to bashing Dusty!

Haha, fair enough on your comment. Apparently it really is a one-way street so I'll learn to live with it.

Let's go get a win tonight.

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Even the Will Harris pitch was not that bad. Hit hit the exact spot the catcher was lined up

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It was a great pitch. So many people don't understand that. Sometimes you make a great pitch and the hitter just puts a better swing on it. Kendrick was insanely lucky that ball hit the pole.

It's easy to look back and say he should have done this or that. I don't think it was necessarily the wrong decision in the moment. It just had a bad result.

I've always wondered this as well. Just keep scrolling. Kinda makes us look pathetic when we get upset about it.

That is completely NOT the point I was try to make. I was not saying that at all.

Marvin said:

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Beat40 said:

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Marvin said:

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On a side note, that's the third Ranger post on this thread with no comment by mods or apparent punishment. Just a quiet delete.

Double. Standard. By. TexAgs.

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Serious question - why does it matter that much?

I saw one post from a Rangers fan last night and everyone ignored the post. Why give them the satisfaction of getting riled up when they post here?

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It matters to me because good posters from this thread were banned for doing the same on their thread. I don't like favoritism, negligence, or incompetence… which reminds me to get back to bashing Dusty!

Haha, fair enough on your comment. Apparently it really is a one-way street so I'll learn to live with it.

Let's go get a win tonight.

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I get it. Certainly appears to be a one way street. Do appreciate you standing up for the boys!

Agree - let's get a win tonight.

Marvin said:

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Beat40 said:

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Marvin said:

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On a side note, that's the third Ranger post on this thread with no comment by mods or apparent punishment. Just a quiet delete.

Double. Standard. By. TexAgs.

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Serious question - why does it matter that much?

I saw one post from a Rangers fan last night and everyone ignored the post. Why give them the satisfaction of getting riled up when they post here?

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It matters to me because good posters from this thread were banned for doing the same on their thread. I don't like favoritism, negligence, or incompetence… which reminds me to get back to bashing Dusty!

Haha, fair enough on your comment. Apparently it really is a one-way street so I'll learn to live with it.

Let's go get a win tonight.

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Exactly. nothing worse in this world than hypocrisy and double standards. I was banned (and the ultimate reason for the "Staff Warning" on the Rangers page because I followed a Ranger poster who commented on this thread preseason about Siemien being hands down the superior 2B to altuve and when I went to the Rangers page to dispute with facts and stats, they all immediately starting crying to staff to boot me.... which they did.

But here we are. But thats Rangers fans for you, and they'll likely never change.... Just wait until Astros make further in the playoffs than them and see how many excuses they make and accusations against the Astros they pull out.