***Official Houston Astros 2022-23 Offseason Thread***
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Forrest Whitley getting 4-5 starts would be quite the development
I'm sure this chode mostly copied the Vegas odds, which are less of a prediction and more of an enticement to get people to bet.Big Al 1992 said:astros4545 said:Projected 2023 wins via ESPN’s Bradford Doolittle:
— MLB Metrics (@MLBMetrics) December 27, 2022
103 Mets
100 Padres
99 Yankees
99 Braves
94 Rays
93 Astros
92 Cardinals
90 Blue Jays
90 Dodgers
88 Guardians
86 Brewers
85 Phillies
83 Mariners
82 White Sox
Thoughts?
I'll be in Vegas 2nd week of Jan. If that's their O/U on wins too and not just some Twitter hack - I'll put bets down on behalf of TexAgs Astro posters. We can all count down wins together.
Most of the country hates the Astros. At 102 wins you'd likely have 95% betting under.
Also fangraphs had us at 90 in November.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-absurdly-preliminary-2023-zips-projected-standings/
Bottom line is that almost everything has to go right to win 100 games. Last year who could have predicted JV being a CYA winner, Peña busting out, healthy productive Breggy, Framber ace season, Altuve return to form, etc.
We have had a lot of talent but a lot of luck too.
Framber living the dream
Love that guy
Love that guy
My assumption is that they feel since Seattle has been competitive and the Rangers have made a bunch of offseason moves + the annual Angels have Trout/Ohtani and thus will figure it out this year = Astros win total being reduced.
those are not actual betting numbers. its a writer's prediction on wins.Big Al 1992 said:astros4545 said:Projected 2023 wins via ESPN’s Bradford Doolittle:
— MLB Metrics (@MLBMetrics) December 27, 2022
103 Mets
100 Padres
99 Yankees
99 Braves
94 Rays
93 Astros
92 Cardinals
90 Blue Jays
90 Dodgers
88 Guardians
86 Brewers
85 Phillies
83 Mariners
82 White Sox
Thoughts?
I'll be in Vegas 2nd week of Jan. If that's their O/U on wins too and not just some Twitter hack - I'll put bets down on behalf of TexAgs Astro posters. We can all count down wins together.
for poster that said his brother saw numbers are caesars, what are the other teams numbers? he needs to bet as much as they will allow if that 92 is an actual number
fangraphs always low on their numbers for what the top teams win. they had us at 90 last year also. they typically put even the best teams at less than 95 wins.Quote:
Also fangraphs had us at 90 in November.
I think they just gotta hope none of these young guys take a step back over the next couple of years. That's the gamble with the contracts in my opinion.
The pitching in their division just got a whole lot better.
The pitching in their division just got a whole lot better.
If we can mostly avoid the injury bug in 2023 like this past season we should win more than 90 games. Besides a more competitive AL West is a good thing for this team despite playing divisional opponents less often moving forward.wangus12 said:
My assumption is that they feel since Seattle has been competitive and the Rangers have made a bunch of offseason moves + the annual Angels have Trout/Ohtani and thus will figure it out this year = Astros win total being reduced.
Caesars had us at 92.5 last season too.BMX Bandit said:those are not actual betting numbers. its a writer's prediction on wins.Big Al 1992 said:astros4545 said:Projected 2023 wins via ESPN’s Bradford Doolittle:
— MLB Metrics (@MLBMetrics) December 27, 2022
103 Mets
100 Padres
99 Yankees
99 Braves
94 Rays
93 Astros
92 Cardinals
90 Blue Jays
90 Dodgers
88 Guardians
86 Brewers
85 Phillies
83 Mariners
82 White Sox
Thoughts?
I'll be in Vegas 2nd week of Jan. If that's their O/U on wins too and not just some Twitter hack - I'll put bets down on behalf of TexAgs Astro posters. We can all count down wins together.
for poster that said his brother saw numbers are caesars, what are the other teams numbers? he needs to bet as much as they will allow if that 92 is an actual number
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The models all appear to predict a good drop in pitching for the Astros. I'm not a metric jockey but that seems to be the driver on season win totals.
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— Chris Castellani (@Castellani2014) December 28, 2022
I'm glad to see he is healthy enough both physically and mentally to send that out
Those last 3 minutes or so are better than some guys who play 20 years. What a season!EastCoastAgNc said:
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This is a long one but it's very very good. Man Yordan was so small at one point.
JP Morosi said on MLB Network that he wouldn't be surprised if one or both Framber & Javier got extensions before the year. He mentioned them as well as a lot of the Astros core were guys who didn't sign for a lot. I took that as meaning they'd be open to signing deals to get a piece of the pie sooner. After all Framber & Javier have made 4.1 M & 1.5 M in career earnings. Morosi also brought up the fact that Javier is younger and could tact on a few years and still hit the market for another big payday. Yes, he brought up Tucker too and said there were talks in the past, but seeing what big-name position players are getting, he would cost more. MVP ballot, perennial all-star, blah blah blah.
Lets look at Javier & Framber comps.
Player / Years / Total $ / AAV / Age Signed / Years Under Control at Time of Signing
Sandy Alcantara / 5 / 56 M / 11.2 M / 25 / 3
Luis Castillo / 5 / 108 M / 21.6 M / 29 / 1
Jose Berrios / 7 / 131 M / 18.7 M / 27 / 1 - woof!
Lance McCullers / 5 / 85 M / 17 M / 26 / 1 (didn't kick in until after 21 so basically 6/91.5 M)
Joe Musgrove / 5 / 100 M / 20 M / 29 / 0.5 (midseason deal, really 0)
I think you could buy out their 3 years of arbitration, then give him 20 M per for 3 seasons. It could come to something like 6/80 (13.3 M). It's more than Sandy by far and keeps the AAV competitive with the guys who got deals later on.
Lets look at Javier & Framber comps.
Player / Years / Total $ / AAV / Age Signed / Years Under Control at Time of Signing
Sandy Alcantara / 5 / 56 M / 11.2 M / 25 / 3
Luis Castillo / 5 / 108 M / 21.6 M / 29 / 1
Jose Berrios / 7 / 131 M / 18.7 M / 27 / 1 - woof!
Lance McCullers / 5 / 85 M / 17 M / 26 / 1 (didn't kick in until after 21 so basically 6/91.5 M)
Joe Musgrove / 5 / 100 M / 20 M / 29 / 0.5 (midseason deal, really 0)
I think you could buy out their 3 years of arbitration, then give him 20 M per for 3 seasons. It could come to something like 6/80 (13.3 M). It's more than Sandy by far and keeps the AAV competitive with the guys who got deals later on.
Starts around the 3:30 mark
Got this and the Crush City one.spadilly said:
Who remembers this work of art from the late 80s?
"The catch of his life for McCormick!"
— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) December 28, 2022
The World Series chase-down by @astros CF Chas McCormick is our #⃣1⃣ defensive play of the 2022 season! pic.twitter.com/2d8jOFoM3B
That was the only part of the post-season where I couldn't quite fully look at the screen. Was pacing in the kitchen and watching about 35% of the TV.EastCoastAgNc said:"The catch of his life for McCormick!"
— MLB Network (@MLBNetwork) December 28, 2022
The World Series chase-down by @astros CF Chas McCormick is our #⃣1⃣ defensive play of the 2022 season! pic.twitter.com/2d8jOFoM3B
especially when their off-season thread started a month and a half earlier than ours.cc10106 said:The irony of comments about the Astros and their fans in a Rangerettes thread on page 18 compared to this one already on page 174 is rich.gougler08 said:
They sure are concerned about how bad we were on their thread. Maybe they should worry more about how much they spend to still be mediocre
All those dumb contracts can't buy their fans some self-awareness apparently.
Just saw on the espn scrawl that Kluber signed with Boston. They can't make up their mind on whether to try or tank. I gotta tell them. They should tank.
They're paying a bunch of old guys short term
Money. Not sure what their plan is, but I don't see it working.
Money. Not sure what their plan is, but I don't see it working.
Repping the WORLD CHAMPS on top of the Empire State Building today
Not in that division.
If you squint enough you can see Aaron Judge choking from there.tjack16 said:
Repping the WORLD CHAMPS on top of the Empire State Building today
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