The other pitching thing to consider is Javier, LMJ, Garcia not Urquidy are guys you pencil in for 6-7 innings per start. They are 5, maybe 6 innings typically. That gives you 1 horse in Framber and a little unknown in Brown. The 6 man rotation will be key I believe.

McCullers went 6 or more in 5/8 starts. 17/28 in 2021.
Javier went 6 or more in 11/25 starts.
Garcia 14/28
Urquidy 16/28

When healthy, it looks like Lance is best equipped to give you 6.

IIRC Javier was kept on a pretty strict pitch limit of around 90 per game. With his high K stuff getting through 6 made for a tough thing.

Went back and looked at all the Cy Young winners since 2010. For whatever reason, seems like in that timespan, the NL winners did a better job of bouncing back after their Cy Young winning season. Seems less common for AL pitchers in recent years to match their performance the year after winning. Wonder if the DH has something to do with that vs having an automatic out in the lineup in the NL for the pitcher. Anyway, here's the info:

NL:
2010: Roy Halliday
- 2010: 2.44 ERA, 21-10 in 33 games started
- 2011: 2.35 ERA, 19-6 in 32 games started

2011: Clayton Kershaw
- 2011: 2.28 ERA, 21-5 in 33 games started
- 2012: 2.53 ERA, 14-9 in 33 games started

2012: R.A. Dickey
- 2012: 2.73 ERA, 20-6 in 33 games started
- 2013: 4.21 ERA, 14-13 in 34 games started

2013: Clayton Kershaw
- 2013: 1.83 ERA, 16-9 in 33 games started
- 2014: 1.77 ERA, 21-3 in 27 games started

2014: Clayton Kershaw
- 2014: 1.77 ERA, 21-3 in 27 games started
- 2015: 2.13 ERA, 16-7 in 33 games started

2015: Jake Arrieta
- 2015: 1.77 ERA, 22-6 in 33 games started
- 2016: 3.10 ERA, 18-8 in 31 games started

2016: Max Scherzer
- 2016: 2.96 ERA, 20-7 in 34 games started
- 2017: 2.51 ERA, 16-6 in 31 games started

2017: Max Scherzer
- 2017: 2.51 ERA, 16-6 in 31 games started
- 2018: 2.53 ERA, 18-7 in 33 games started

2018: Jacob deGrom
- 2018: 1.70 ERA, 10-9 in 32 games started
- 2019: 2.43 ERA, 11-8 in 32 games started

2019: Jacob deGrom
- 2019: 2.43 ERA, 11-8 in 32 games started
- 2020: 2.38 ERA, 4-2 in 12 games started

2020: Trevor Bauer
- 2020: 1.73 ERA, 5-4 in 11 games started
- 2021: 2.59 ERA, 8-5 in 17 games started prior to suspension

2021: Corbin Burns
- 2021: 2.43 ERA, 11-5 in 28 games started
- 2022: 2.94 ERA, 12-8 in 33 games started

AL:
2010: Felix Hernandez
- 2010: 2.27 ERA, 13-12 in 34 games started
- 2011: 3.47 ERA, 14-14 in 33 games started

2011: Justin Verlander
- 2011: 2.40 ERA, 24-5 in 34 games started
- 2012: 2.64 ERA, 17-8 in 33 games started

2012: David Price
- 2012: 2.56 ERA, 20-5 in 31 games started
- 2013: 3.33 ERA, 10-8 in 27 games started

2013: Max Scherzer
- 2013: 2.90 ERA, 21-3 in 32 games started
- 2014: 3.15 ERA, 18-5 in 33 games started

2014: Corey Kluber
- 2014: 2.44 ERA, 18-9 in 34 games started
- 2015: 3.49 ERA, 9-16 in 32 games started

2015: Dallas Keuchel
- 2015: 2.48 ERA, 20-8 in 33 games started
- 2016: 4.55 ERA, 9-12 in 26 games started

2016: Rick Porcello
- 2016: 3.15 ERA, 22-4 in 33 games started
- 2017: 4.65 ERA, 11-17 in 33 games started

2017: Corey Kluber
- 2017: 2.25 ERA, 18-4 in 29 games started
- 2018: 2.89 ERA, 20-7 in 33 games started

2018: Blake Snell
- 2018: 1.89 ERA, 21-5 in 31 games started
- 2019: 4.29 ERA, 6-8 in 23 games started

2019: Justin Verlander
- 2019: 2.58 ERA, 21-6 in 34 games started
- 2020: 3.00 ERA, 1-0 in 1 game started followed by Tommy John

2020: Shane Bieber
- 2020: 1.63 ERA, 8-1 in 12 games started
- 2021: 3.17 ERA, 7-4 in 16 games started

2021: Robbie Ray
- 2021: 2.84 ERA, 13-7 record in 32 games pitched
- 2022: 3.95 ERA, 12-12 record in 32 games pitched

The Athletics appear to be getting close to a trade of C Sean Murphy, per source. The Braves are considered the frontrunners to acquire the former Gold Glove winner, though other teams remain in the mix.

— Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) December 4, 2022

Winter meetings started today, probably gonna be a lot of these rumors coming

Farmer1906 said:

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The Athletics appear to be getting close to a trade of C Sean Murphy, per source. The Braves are considered the frontrunners to acquire the former Gold Glove winner, though other teams remain in the mix.

— Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) December 4, 2022

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We play the A's 73 times a season and I have no clue who this guy is.

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The other pitching thing to consider is Javier, LMJ, Garcia not Urquidy are guys you pencil in for 6-7 innings per start. They are 5, maybe 6 innings typically. That gives you 1 horse in Framber and a little unknown in Brown. The 6 man rotation will be key I believe.

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Will six man rotations start to become more of a norm? Look how many high profile pitchers have broken down in post season the past couple of years. Kershaw and Scherzer last year, as well as LMJ. Then Scherzer again this year. Maybe it seemed like Urquidy was wasted once the playoffs started but was he part of the reason we had all healthy starters by then?

Update on Sean Murphy: it still appears Oakland is close to a trade, but the Braves are NOT going to be the acquiring team, per source. The Cardinals, Rays, Guardians and Red Sox are among the teams that have been connected to Murphy in recent weeks.

— Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) December 4, 2022

First tidbit from the lobby, per an industry source, is that the Yankees are “very much” in on Bryan Reynolds. “They’re on it.” … Not exactly breaking news that there’s significant interest in the Pirates outfielder.

— Jason Mackey (@JMackeyPG) December 5, 2022

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First tidbit from the lobby, per an industry source, is that the Yankees are “very much” in on Bryan Reynolds. “They’re on it.” … Not exactly breaking news that there’s significant interest in the Pirates outfielder.

— Jason Mackey (@JMackeyPG) December 5, 2022

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Insurance for Judge signing elsewhere? Would seem like an odd add given they traded for Bader

Anyone ever done spring training? We were thinking about it last year as a Christmas present for the kids, but with the labor deal I didn't end up looking into too long and we did a different trip.

This year I think we will head down for a long weekend. Any tips? At least in my mind, the coolest part would be just hanging out while the players are practicing/working out/coming and going. I'm sure we'll time it up to see a couple of games but I assume the stars don't play much?

amercer said:

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Anyone ever done spring training? We were thinking about it last year as a Christmas present for the kids, but with the labor deal I didn't end up looking into too long and we did a different trip.

This year I think we will head down for a long weekend. Any tips? At least in my mind, the coolest part would be just hanging out while the players are practicing/working out/coming and going. I'm sure we'll time it up to see a couple of games but I assume the stars don't play much?

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spring training is the best! Been twice and loved every minute I was at the facility!

I went to a spring training game many years ago in Kissimmee when we were at Disney for Spring Break. The only thing I remember was that Billy Wagner worked and at that time they thought he may be a possible starter for the team.

The special Contemporaries Committee for the Baseball HOF announced tonight that Fred McGriff was a unanimous selection. No one else made it. You needed 75% of the vote. Mattingly got 50%, Shilling 43%, and it went down from there. All they said about Bonds, Clemens, Palmiero was they got less than 25%.

The committee was made of 16 people: Greg Maddux, Jack Morris, Ryne Sandberg, Lee Smith, Frank Thomas, Alan Trammell; major league executives Paul Beeston, Theo Epstein, Derrick Hall, Arte Moreno, Kim Ng, Dave St. Peter, Ken Williams; and veteran media members Steve Hirdt, LaVelle Neal and Susan Slusser

Interesting that the players themselves didn't want the steroid users.

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I would have a hard time not giving him 2 years $70mm

That seems pretty reasonable

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I say go for it. Doesn't seems reasonable to me. And the fact that you got literally zero in value for $66 million in '20-'21 should not factor in (edit: forgot he did start one game and won it).

But.....if JV and Montero and Abreu cost you signing Tucker, figuring out Bregman or Framber/Javier in a year or two or taking a fair shot at a healthy Brantley, it is my opinion that these were bad decisions.....I have less of a problem with Abreu....I think you spent maybe $4-$5 million too much and pushed it on the 3rd year.

If the pie is just ballooning.....the Astros should have been in the running for DeGrom....maybe they were.

Update that I am sure has been covered.......Brian Reynolds with Pittsburgh has requested a trade......it's time for GM's Crane and Bagwell to make a run. Pirate management does drink heavily on some days (that would at least be an explanation)....but they don't drink heavily every day....they should be treated like receivers of email advertising.......you need to contact them every day.....or maybe even twice a day.

Cobra39

Diamondbacks are shopping Varsho.

I think he could be an option. He's an outfielder and catcher.

Not Contreras, but he is much younger. His stats in MLB so far don't wow me, but his potential does.

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agproducer said:

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Diamondbacks are shopping Varsho.

I think he could be an option. He's an outfielder and catcher.

Not Contreras, but he is much younger. His stats in MLB so far don't wow me, but his potential does.

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He's such a random player. Plays fantastic defensive OF yet can catch too. He doesn't hit it hard. Whiffs too much. Doesn't make enough contact. But when he does time it up be hits homers. High barrel rate.

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Absolutely. I think he could be a nice project since he is so young. He likely could really benefit from some guys like the Astros who have experience and don't strikeout a bunch.

Former MLB player Carlos Baerga reported on his IG account that Justin Verlander and the New York Mets are close to a 2-year, $86.8M deal with a mutual option for a 3rd year. pic.twitter.com/FJwJwW9zlu

— Héctor Gómez (@hgomez27) December 5, 2022

This guy got, freeman to Toronto wrong.

— Kenny (@kennykillzx) December 5, 2022

$43.4M per year...yeah I don't think Crane will go anywhere near that nor should he. What's odd is that would be the team I hate the least out of the Dodgers/Yankees/Mets...I guess time does heal all wounds.

What's great is it's yet another NL East team we would face in the World Series and we would get to feast on World Series Justin.

Lots of great info.