redline248 said:

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Bonnettecj1 said:

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Y'all are insane if you don't want Rizzo.

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has anyone here said they don't? Other than jet black, who doesn't count, I mean?

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redline248 said:

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Just poking fun

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The Milkman said:

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redline248 said:

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Bonnettecj1 said:

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Y'all are insane if you don't want Rizzo.

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has anyone here said they don't? Other than jet black, who doesn't count, I mean?

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Losing a draft pick and $500k in international money because of the Yankees QO wouldn't be ideal. Especially if we could get Jose Abreu instead. Not entirely against, but I would be if we weren't making a real run at Abreu too.

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Farmer1906 said:

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The Milkman said:

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redline248 said:

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Bonnettecj1 said:

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Y'all are insane if you don't want Rizzo.

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has anyone here said they don't? Other than jet black, who doesn't count, I mean?

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Losing a draft pick and $500k in international money because of the Yankees QO wouldn't be ideal. Especially if we could get Jose Abreu instead. Not entirely against, but I would be if we weren't making a real run at Abreu too.

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I wonder if that matters less without having a GM in place. I'm sure Click and Luhnow would be all about their picks and int money. Crane probably is mostly focused on the big league squad.

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The Milkman said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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The Milkman said:

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redline248 said:

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Bonnettecj1 said:

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Y'all are insane if you don't want Rizzo.

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has anyone here said they don't? Other than jet black, who doesn't count, I mean?

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Losing a draft pick and $500k in international money because of the Yankees QO wouldn't be ideal. Especially if we could get Jose Abreu instead. Not entirely against, but I would be if we weren't making a real run at Abreu too.

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I wonder if that matters less without having a GM in place. I'm sure Click and Luhnow would be all about their picks and int money. Crane probably is mostly focused on the big league squad.

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International money built our big league squad rotation

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The Milkman said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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The Milkman said:

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redline248 said:

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Bonnettecj1 said:

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Y'all are insane if you don't want Rizzo.

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has anyone here said they don't? Other than jet black, who doesn't count, I mean?

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Losing a draft pick and $500k in international money because of the Yankees QO wouldn't be ideal. Especially if we could get Jose Abreu instead. Not entirely against, but I would be if we weren't making a real run at Abreu too.

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I wonder if that matters less without having a GM in place. I'm sure Click and Luhnow would be all about their picks and int money. Crane probably is mostly focused on the big league squad.

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International money built our big league squad rotation

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irish pete ag06 said:

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I spent an hour on fangraphs today. Man I hadn't done that in a long time.



I dug into their "Top 50 Free Agent list"

I was looking for bats that hit RHP well. Particularly LHBs and even better, people that will be cheap and not require a hamstringing deal so guys like Judge and Correa are out.

I really skewed towards guys that could play 1B and LF... let me explain why.

I dug into Chas. I think he needs a shot as the everyday CF. His offense is improving year to year. He crushes lefites... but was barely below league average this year vs RHP. His numbers are trending in the right direction. I think he deserves that shot...

So that brings me back to the perfect fit. A left handed RHP crusher who can platoon at 1B and maybe play some LF to give Yordan a breather.

This idea prefaces with potentially David Hensley getting to play vs LHP at first and maybe even the catching prospect Diaz who has played some 1st base.

Here's my stats from Fangraphs. I like using wRC+. It's a nice metric to compare hitters.
So here's the wRC+ from specific free agents vs RHP for the last 3 years and the last year.


Now here's my thoughts:

Michael Brantley
Losing him really killed this offnese this year. He was the yin to all of our right handed bats yang. Bringing him back would make a lot of sense, even though he can't play 1st base.

Brandon Nimmo
No thanks. Will likely get over paid and I like Chas.

Jose Abreu
He's another RHB, so not a huge fan, but he rakes and would be an everyday 1st baseman. Will probably be expensive even at his age.

Mark Canha ***EDIT, NOT AVAILABLE, CLUB OPTION IS FOR 2024***
Now we're talking. He has a club option with the Mets and I haven't seen any word on whether they are bringing him back or not. If they drop him, he would be high on my target list. He is a LHB. Hits righties well. Can play 1B and LF. Would not cost much.

Wilson Contreras
Would be a great fit although not a LHB. Has played 1B and a small amount of LF. He could DH too. I like this if they can make it work.

Joc Pederson
Such a punchable face but dammit he would be a GREAT fit. He would be cheap. Can play 1B/LF... and this dude CRUSHes RHP. The Giants straight platooned him this year and he had the best numbers of his career. He and maybe one of the bench players (Hensley, Diaz) could platoon 1st base. Maybe even Contreras.

Andrew Benintendi
Not a fan here. Hits RHP well but I think he'll get too many years and too much money. Can't play 1st.

Josh Bell
Seems like a weird guy. Streaky as hell. Not a fan of this as well. Plus I think someone will over pay for him.

Rizzo
Not as good as advertised in my opinion. Not a fan. No OF experience. Probably will be over paid.

Matt Carpenter
This could be a sneaky signing after his renaissance season in New York. Crushed RHP this year. Would be an awesome platoon/role player to have.

Not interested in the rest on that list above.

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Farmer1906 said:

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Yes, but as we saw Click would not do deals Crane wanted if it didn't make sense to him and his needs. Any of these newly promoted assistant GMs going to manage something like that? We've already seen it with Montero. Is it the end of the world? No, but it's different. Probably more short term focus with less focus finding value.

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BadAggie said:

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bearkatag15 said:

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Jim Crane asked James Click if he wanted to bet his career on Jake Meyers, per people familiar with the matter.

Click said yes. https://t.co/DywJhs0SOK

— Michael Schwab (@michaelschwab13) November 13, 2022

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Not bad to have an owner wanting to be a little more aggressive.

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Farmer1906 said:

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I see what you're saying but you lost me on Walker. To trade for him would cost way more than the 2nd round draft comp. He's just as much a 3 outcome guy as Rizzo. Defensively Walker is in a league of his own, but Rizzo was 9th in DWAR and 9th in OAA. Plus he cleans up a lot of throws like Yuli, maybe even better.

I'm not sure why we'd hold have even splits against him. That's an pro, not a con.

And his K% is up from his prime seasons but it's still solid. If prime Rizzo was on the market at 28, he's getting Freeman money.

If we land him or Abreu it's a slam dunk. We got a lot better. I'd take either over JV.

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#Astros made it clear today that is the preffered option at 1B per @Ken_Rosenthal. Depends on finances but feels high. https://t.co/6alvKTzNBu

— Jack Rose (@jrosemln) November 15, 2022

No. https://t.co/2FeUnsTSdF

— Jack Rose (@jrosemln) November 15, 2022

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In the six days between the Houston Astros winning a World Series and getting rid of their general manager, members of the organization, from players to coaching staff to front office, called one another trying to piece together what was happening.

Over the last year, the disarray in the Astros' front office had exposed itself often enough that employees at all levels wondered how, exactly, an organization so adept on the field could be so chaotic among those tasked with building that on-field unit. They knew about the palace intrigue, had watched the behind-the-scenes machinations that had persisted throughout the season. They had one Hall-of-Fame advisor with a reputation for yelling at people, another frequently questioning the organization's direction. All the while, a general manager was under siege, and the owner who had vowed to take a more hands-on approach because of that crisis watched it all play out.

But suddenly, last week, the information spigot turned off. Rumors swirled about the future of the organization, and no one could get an answer. By Friday, after the news of James Click's eyebrow-raising ouster, one thing was clear: The only person with clarity over what was happening with the Astros -- owner Jim Crane -- was disinclined to tip his hand.

Now, those inside the Astros are asking questions that World Series-winning teams rarely must ask. Is the team that reached six American League Championship Series, four World Series and won a pair of championships in the last half-dozen seasons really considering pivoting from the analytics-heavy approach that built the team into a monster? Without Click, who will shepherd the team forward? And is the answer to that question perhaps the person already at the center of the front-office dysfunction?
"Sometimes I wonder if Jim thinks he's Jerry Jones," said one Astros employee, who was among the dozen people with knowledge of the organization with whom ESPN spoke to better understand the inner workings of arguably the most successful franchise in baseball. Not since Larry MacPhail in 1947 has a championship franchise parted ways with its top baseball executive so soon after a title, but what became clear over those conversations was Crane's willingness to meddle in baseball-operations decisions, much like the Dallas Cowboys owner who also serves as GM. It's a path certainly in Crane's purview as owner but rare among his peers in baseball -- and it suggests that Click's work always came with impediments.

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gigemJTH12 said:

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that guy has 500 followers

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spadilly said:

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There's a Jeff Passan story on ESPN today, but its paywalled.

Houston Astros' inner turmoil through World Series run (espn.com)

Here's the intro before I'm locked out:

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In the six days between the Houston Astros winning a World Series and getting rid of their general manager, members of the organization, from players to coaching staff to front office, called one another trying to piece together what was happening.

Over the last year, the disarray in the Astros' front office had exposed itself often enough that employees at all levels wondered how, exactly, an organization so adept on the field could be so chaotic among those tasked with building that on-field unit. They knew about the palace intrigue, had watched the behind-the-scenes machinations that had persisted throughout the season. They had one Hall-of-Fame advisor with a reputation for yelling at people, another frequently questioning the organization's direction. All the while, a general manager was under siege, and the owner who had vowed to take a more hands-on approach because of that crisis watched it all play out.

But suddenly, last week, the information spigot turned off. Rumors swirled about the future of the organization, and no one could get an answer. By Friday, after the news of James Click's eyebrow-raising ouster, one thing was clear: The only person with clarity over what was happening with the Astros -- owner Jim Crane -- was disinclined to tip his hand.

Now, those inside the Astros are asking questions that World Series-winning teams rarely must ask. Is the team that reached six American League Championship Series, four World Series and won a pair of championships in the last half-dozen seasons really considering pivoting from the analytics-heavy approach that built the team into a monster? Without Click, who will shepherd the team forward? And is the answer to that question perhaps the person already at the center of the front-office dysfunction?
"Sometimes I wonder if Jim thinks he's Jerry Jones," said one Astros employee, who was among the dozen people with knowledge of the organization with whom ESPN spoke to better understand the inner workings of arguably the most successful franchise in baseball. Not since Larry MacPhail in 1947 has a championship franchise parted ways with its top baseball executive so soon after a title, but what became clear over those conversations was Crane's willingness to meddle in baseball-operations decisions, much like the Dallas Cowboys owner who also serves as GM. It's a path certainly in Crane's purview as owner but rare among his peers in baseball -- and it suggests that Click's work always came with impediments.


Blah, blah, ****ing blah. Won the World Series.

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