***Official Houston Astros 2022-23 Offseason Thread***

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kegstand said:

Giving a journeyman reliever a 3 year contract coming off a career year is…interesting


Yeah…I worry that Montero just had an outlier year….

I am not sure his stuff is that good, just managed to get a bit lucky…. He got into some big jams in the postseason


Walks is his only major flaw. He's got great velo, extension, fastball spin, and a rare true 4 pitch mix.


Good point. I just wonder why he was hot garbage before he got to Houston…still mostly about walks?


Good question. I've never looked it up I might do that sometime
Why is Montero so good all of a sudden?

Here are a few of my observations.

#1 Velo shot way up. This isn't uncommon for a starter moving to the bullpen. It's probably the expected outcome more often than not. In 2014 he was a 92-93 guy with the sinker & 4 seam. Now he's more like 96-97.

#2 Walks were cut down. It's still an issue for him with an 8.5 BB% (40th percentile), but from '14-'16 it was 10.9%, 17.2%, & 12.2%.

#3 He's not throwing too many strikes. This goes against #2, but when Montero switched from starter to BP, he fixed his walk problem. He got BB% down to 4.4%. But his soft contract disappeared. He got lit up like a Christmas tree. xwOBA on Contract north of .4 in '19 & '20.

#4 He started attacking lefties and righties differently. Vs RHH he's sinker heavy with a mix of 4 seam and sliders. Almost never throws the change-up. vs LHH it's 4 seam 2/3 of the time and change up 1/3 then pretty much nothing else. Down the stretch fo 2022, it was almost 50/50 4 seam to the changeup.

My guess is the biggest impact is #4. #4 started happening in 2021. The thing is, he had some terrible luck. His ERA was north of 6 when his xERA was mid 3s. The only problem in 2021 was he wasn't getting the swing and miss & strikeouts until he got to Houston. I haven't quite put my finger on what changed from LAA to HOU, but K% shot from 18% to 24%.

This should be a big feather in the cap of Click (?) or someone in the Houston brain trust who identified him and then took him to the next level.


Nice details.

Hopefully he continues performing well for us. It just feels a little wrong throwing so much money at a guy for one year of stellar performance
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irish pete ag06 said:

Farmer1906 said:

I'll wear it as a badge of honor. Jeter was ridiculously overrated. His gold gloves are hollow. If he played in Minnesota he might not have even been a first ballot HOFer. Carlos was 100% correct when discussing Jeter.
Agreed farmer.

He would have definitely been a hall of famer based on counting stats.

Honestly, he's Craig Biggio playing short stop.
it's crazy how similar their career numbers are, Biggio and Jeter. The main difference (aside from where they played) is how they played in the postseason.

The main difference between those two guys and Carlos is that they showed up and played nearly every day for 20 years straight. That, and they didn't need to diminish anyone else's achievements to make themselves feel better.

Carlos isn't wrong about Jeter being overrated defensively, but it was petty and unnecessary to say it on the record. Very ARod-like, as others have mentioned.
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Harry Dunne said:

irish pete ag06 said:

Farmer1906 said:

I'll wear it as a badge of honor. Jeter was ridiculously overrated. His gold gloves are hollow. If he played in Minnesota he might not have even been a first ballot HOFer. Carlos was 100% correct when discussing Jeter.
Agreed farmer.

He would have definitely been a hall of famer based on counting stats.

Honestly, he's Craig Biggio playing short stop.
it's crazy how similar their career numbers are, Biggio and Jeter. The main difference (aside from where they played) is how they played in the postseason.

The main difference between those two guys and Carlos is that they showed up and played nearly every day for 20 years straight. That, and they didn't need to diminish anyone else's achievements to make themselves feel better.

Carlos isn't wrong about Jeter being overrated defensively, but it was petty and unnecessary to say it on the record. Very ARod-like, as others have mentioned.
True. But not wrong. Haha.

And when I said it was like Craig Biggio playing short stop, I mean that Biggio would have probably put up similar defensive numbers at SS
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Biggio had a noodle arm. His throws from catcher had arc on them. Him trying to make the throw to first from shortstop on a ball to his far right would have been a sad sight to see.

TBH I watched very little of Jeter other than the WS. His deal was lack of range, right?
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in 10 of his 20 seasons, Jeter had over 700 plate appearances

and 3 other years with 679, 686, and 694 PA's

that's how you rack up the all important counting numbers
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another very interesting stat about Jeter...

in 20 seasons with over 12,500 plate appearances...

he was only intentionally walked 39 times

(for comparison Biggio had 68 career IBB)
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What a stacked rookie class... and that list doesn't even include Strider or Harris
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Sex Panther said:

What a stacked rookie class... and that list doesn't even include Strider or Harris


They're in the NL.
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Yes I am aware, but thank you for pointing that out
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My bad. I took it as you were wondering why they weren't on the list.
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Reminder about the new CBA Rules.

Pena just missed warned us an extra draft pick.

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Clubs promoting top prospects to Opening Day rosters will be eligible to receive Draft picks if the player finishes in the Top 3 in the Rookie of the Year voting or Top 5 in MVP/Cy Young voting.


I wonder if any of our guys earned some bonus pool money.

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Pre-arbitration bonus pool

$50 million (to be distributed to the top 100 players based on awards and statistical performance).

MLB and the MLBPA will jointly develop a statistical method to allocate the funds.
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Ha, no worries... I haven't paid close attention to the past few years on rookies, but yeah this season seems to be loaded across the entire league
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Seattle being freaky as hell talking about some open *****.

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Verlander, who personally negotiated his free-agent deal with Astros owner Jim Crane while vacationing in Italy last offseason, seemed a good bet to re-sign quickly with the Astros. But it has not happened, perhaps because Verlander sees the potential for lucrative opportunities with the Mets, Yankees and Dodgers, among others.

The likely AL Cy Young winner, who turns 40 on Feb. 20, could be a short-term, high-dollar fit for any of those clubs. The Mets face the losses in free agency not just of deGrom, but also Chris Bassitt and Taijuan Walker. The Yankees declined to pursue Verlander at the 2017 trade deadline and missed on him in free agency last offseason. The Dodgers might pursue Verlander if Tyler Anderson rejects their $19.65 million qualifying offer and heck, even if he accepts, too.

The Mets, Yankees and Dodgers all exceeded the luxury-tax threshold last season, so the signing of Verlander would cost any of those teams its second- and fifth-highest picks, as well as $1 million from its international bonus pool. Those teams would receive a pick after the fourth round for every free agent who rejects their own qualifying offer and signs with another club.
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The Astros have identified Anthony Rizzo as their No. 1 free-agent target at first base. They also are considering Yuli Gurriel and Jos Abreu, but signing Rizzo would serve the dual purpose of bolstering their own roster while weakening the Yankees'.

Rizzo, 33, faces an interesting decision on whether to return to the Yankees. If he accepts the team's qualifying offer, he would earn a higher one-year salary than he might receive in a multi-year deal. He then could spend another season hitting at Yankee Stadium, while also benefitting from the new shift restrictions, and re-enter the market without a qualifying offer. A player cannot receive one twice.
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I wonder if that's true or just us driving up the price for the Yankees to keep him?
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It Rizzo worth it? He hasn't hit over .249 the past 4 years.
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. . . said:


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Verlander, who personally negotiated his free-agent deal with Astros owner Jim Crane while vacationing in Italy last offseason, seemed a good bet to re-sign quickly with the Astros. But it has not happened, perhaps because Verlander sees the potential for lucrative opportunities with the Mets, Yankees and Dodgers, among others.

The Astros have identified Anthony Rizzo as their No. 1 free-agent target at first base. They also are considering Yuli Gurriel and Jos Abreu, but signing Rizzo would serve the dual purpose of bolstering their own roster while weakening the Yankees'.

Thanks for posting.

Rosenthal's reporting has gotten so lazy. Did he really expect JV to have re-signed by now? He didn't sign til mid December last year. And the fact that he hasn't re-signed yet isn't evidence that he's strongly considering other opportunities. That's not to say he's 100% coming back, but that section is filled with wild conjecture.

Same with the Rizzo section. If he really is our No. 1 target at 1B, great. I'd be happy to snag him on a 2-year deal (nothing more). But to suggest "making the Yankees weaker" is a reason why we should do it is dumb. We're so far ahead of them organizationally. The Yankees shouldn't even be a sliver of a thought in Crane's head this winter as he's dolling out $$.
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Jet Black said:

It Rizzo worth it? He hasn't hit over .249 the past 4 years.

He just came off a 131 OPS+ season with over 30 homers so I don't care what his batting average was.

Plus all lefties probably have some shift ban boost to their value next year.
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I took the JV talk as he expected him to sign during the exclusive negotiating period but now that he hasn't he's betting his options.
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Not a fan

Editing this to say… I'm more ok with this now after digging in a little more. I didn't realize how old Rizzo was. I thought he was younger and gonna command a longer term deal.

I'm way more ok with this now.

Although he's not a classic righty crusher. He's actually hit lefties better his last 2 seasons.
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I have no worries about JV. I think he gets some offers from other teams, walks into Crane's office, shows those numbers, and Crane matches or exceeds them and it's signed right then and there.
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Ag_07 said:

I took the JV talk as he expected him to sign during the exclusive negotiating period but now that he hasn't he's betting his options.


Another reason Click was let go?
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Jet Black said:

It Rizzo worth it? He hasn't hit over .249 the past 4 years.


What is it? He's arguable the best suited to step in at 1st without missing a beat defensively (scoops) while addressing the need of lefty bat to attack RHP. He also has an very low BABIP and regularly underperforms his c numbers. That screams big year with the shift gone. Plus he's younger than Abreu so I would feel comfortable giving him 3 years.
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spadilly said:

I have no worries about JV. I think he gets some offers from other teams, walks into Crane's office, shows those numbers, and Crane matches or exceeds them and it's signed right then and there.


I hope not because I think someone might be stupid enough to give him 3 years especially if he waits until deGromm & Rodon are inked. A team could get desperate.
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n_touch said:

Ag_07 said:

I took the JV talk as he expected him to sign during the exclusive negotiating period but now that he hasn't he's betting his options.


Another reason Click was let go?

Nah. If Rosenthal expected JV to sign during the exclusive negotiation periods and thinks the fact that he didn't is a sign that he's leaving, he's a moron.
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spadilly said:

I have no worries about JV. I think he gets some offers from other teams, walks into Crane's office, shows those numbers, and Crane matches or exceeds them and it's signed right then and there.

That's close to my perception. He's probly taking some time off, then his agent will go get some feelers, then he'll come back and talk to Crane. I think he'll be back, but the fact that he hasn't signed yet is zero reason to presume that he's leaving.
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The replies are great.

Bonnettecj1
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Y'all are insane if you don't want Rizzo.
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Bonnettecj1 said:

Y'all are insane if you don't want Rizzo.
has anyone here said they don't? Other than jet black, who doesn't count, I mean?
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Fair point. Carry on
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CFTXAG10 said:



[gif]I'll allow it[/gif]
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