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We have opportunities to get better at C, 1B, and LHP

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Yep. And we all know how important depth is over the course of a 162 game season. That's why I wouldn't rule out Mancini. He can play corner outfield and 1B and has a great bat. He would play nearly every day with how often Dusty rests guys.

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The Braves look like your best one stop shop. Trade an Urquidy plus prospects for d'Arnaud and Minter. Both under contract next year as well. Call up Brown to take Urquidy's spot. Just need to wait a few weeks for the Braves to give up.

Another option could be the Grandal. White Sox in a similar situation. Grandal awful this year but classic buy low with his track record. He can catch but also a lefty option at 1B to spell Yuli.

Farmer1906 said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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I'm going on record today 6/2/22 Unless we have an injury we aren't picking up a major bat at the deadline....and i highly doubt we pick up an arm either.

The only exception is if Yuli falls off a cliff compared to current production which is already low...like he is hitting Machete style...even then I believe we attempt to fill from within.

I do think we might see some bench help possibly via trading Chas/Siri, maybe package with a few low end 40 man roster arms because we are fast approaching a need for multiple spots on a 40 man roster which is full.

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Outside of 2020, we've been active at the deadline under Jeff and Click.

Last year we got Graveman, Yimi, Montero, Maton.
2019 we got Greinke
2018 we got Pressly & Osuna
2017 we got JV (second deadline)

We were also very close to getting Britton, Harper, and who knows who else.

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Astros have combination of cap flexibility and prospects to facilitate a move along with that record of activity.

I think last two WS appearances have hammered home that you can never have enough high quality pitching.

If we make a trade this year it needs to be for an arm. It's going to be very clear that this team will not win a World Series without elite pitching. I think we have seen what this offense is going to be this year, and we need an elite pitching staff to win it all

tjack16 said:

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If we make a trade this year it needs to be for an arm. It's going to be very clear that this team will not win a World Series without elite pitching. I think we have seen what this offense is going to be this year, and we need an elite pitching staff to win it all

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So who are you trading and who are you bumping?

Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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tjack16 said:

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If we make a trade this year it needs to be for an arm. It's going to be very clear that this team will not win a World Series without elite pitching. I think we have seen what this offense is going to be this year, and we need an elite pitching staff to win it all

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So who are you trading and who are you bumping?

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Blake Taylor can hit the road.

I like Seth Martinez but he's very expendable

tjack16 said:

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If we make a trade this year it needs to be for an arm. It's going to be very clear that this team will not win a World Series without elite pitching. I think we have seen what this offense is going to be this year, and we need an elite pitching staff to win it all

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Have we, though?

Trade bait:

Corey Julks
Forest Whitley
Jose Siri
Chaz McCormick
Jason Castro

Bring up:

Hunter Brown
Korey Lee
Pedro Leon

Farmer1906 said:

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tjack16 said:

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If we make a trade this year it needs to be for an arm. It's going to be very clear that this team will not win a World Series without elite pitching. I think we have seen what this offense is going to be this year, and we need an elite pitching staff to win it all

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Have we, though?

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Until we trade for a big bat or two, I think we have. Yuli is broken, but the defense first philosophy that click has means he'll probably stick.

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Trade bait:

Corey Julks
Forest Whitley
Jose Siri
Chaz McCormick
Jason Castro

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I would argue that just one of those guys maybe has any significant value

EastCoastAgNc said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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tjack16 said:

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If we make a trade this year it needs to be for an arm. It's going to be very clear that this team will not win a World Series without elite pitching. I think we have seen what this offense is going to be this year, and we need an elite pitching staff to win it all

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Have we, though?

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Until we trade for a big bat or two, I think we have. Yuli is broken, but the defense first philosophy that click has means he'll probably stick.

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My homie Deluxe & I disagree.

bearkatag15 said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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tjack16 said:

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If we make a trade this year it needs to be for an arm. It's going to be very clear that this team will not win a World Series without elite pitching. I think we have seen what this offense is going to be this year, and we need an elite pitching staff to win it all

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So who are you trading and who are you bumping?

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Blake Taylor can hit the road.

I like Seth Martinez but he's very expendable

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Were talking about wanting a second lefty but you want to use the one we have as trade bait?

texasaggie2015 said:

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Trade bait:

Corey Julks
Forest Whitley
Jose Siri
Chaz McCormick
Jason Castro

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I would argue that just one of those guys maybe has any significant value

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Look at who we traded for Verlander and Grienke, and then look how they've panned out. Seth Beer is about the only one who has gotten significant time in the majors.

LonghornDub said:

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Trade bait:

Corey Julks
Forest Whitley
Jose Siri
Chaz McCormick
Jason Castro

Bring up:

Hunter Brown
Korey Lee
Pedro Leon

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Maybe
no value currently
little value currently
were not trading him and siri
hes about to retire or be cut, he has negative value

Agree but they want him to be a SP...were on the cusp of having 7 of those already
Agree but were discussing trades
same as Lee

Farmer1906 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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tjack16 said:

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If we make a trade this year it needs to be for an arm. It's going to be very clear that this team will not win a World Series without elite pitching. I think we have seen what this offense is going to be this year, and we need an elite pitching staff to win it all

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Have we, though?

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Until we trade for a big bat or two, I think we have. Yuli is broken, but the defense first philosophy that click has means he'll probably stick.

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My homie Deluxe & I disagree.

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That's fine, I would be thrilled to be proven wrong

Farmer1906 said:

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tjack16 said:

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If we make a trade this year it needs to be for an arm. It's going to be very clear that this team will not win a World Series without elite pitching. I think we have seen what this offense is going to be this year, and we need an elite pitching staff to win it all

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Have we, though?

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51 games. Basically 1/3 of the season. That's not a slump. It's long enough for the Law of Large numbers to start to kick in. This really is who the team and players are this year. Expected stats are neat but I think they are better at identifying and explaining short term slumps or hot streaks than long term behavior.

That's one of the best articles Chandler has ever written. Give him a Pulitzer.

Honestly, I wonder if a couple weeks on the IL would do Bregman some good to clear the mind

Mathguy64 said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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Mathguy64 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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tjack16 said:

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If we make a trade this year it needs to be for an arm. It's going to be very clear that this team will not win a World Series without elite pitching. I think we have seen what this offense is going to be this year, and we need an elite pitching staff to win it all

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Have we, though?

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51 games. Basically 1/3 of the season. That's not a slump. It's long enough for the Law of Large numbers to start to kick in. This really is who the team and players are this year. Expected stats are neat but I think they are better at identifying and explaining short term slumps or hot streaks than long term behavior.

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In that case then we are looking at one of the greatest pitching staffs for a season ever and no need to change a darn thing there!

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Greatest ever? No. Really good? Yep.

In my opinion pitching and hitting both are being influenced by the ball and staffs and hitters need to be evaluated in that light.

Look at the As. We just faced three starters on a team is dead ass last and they sported ERAs of 3.20, 2.95 and 2.15 with WHIPs of .99, .97 and 1.23. That's pretty classy. And yet their hitting is historically low. They are the first team in 60 years to sport an OPS below .600.

Guys like Martin Perez are sporting ERAs 3 runs lower than their historic averages. He's not the only one.

On the other side offenses are down everywhere. Yordan, Tucker and Bregman aren't the only ones struggling to hit at their historical levels.

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Manfred and his merry band of idiots trying to counteract the pitchers not being able to use sticky stuff anymore?

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Off days suck but I just got my Space City tumblrs from ntouch. They're sick

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Got mine too. The orange looks great!

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All the talk and discussion about Yuli but I'm more concerned about Bregs.

Dude hasn't been good since 2019. Was really looking for him to take a big step and get back to MVP caliber wheelbarrow needing camera staring Bregs.

I don't know what's wrong with him but I'm worried that his earlier success was more the outlier.

Maybe I'm overreacting but he just looks like a completely different ball player. Seems like all he does now is get up in the box looking for walks and complaining about borderline strikes.

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Bregman is a victim of his previous good luck. 2019 was a bit of a fluke.

Compare 2019 to 2022
Exit Velo: 89.3 vs 89.3
Launch Angle: 19.6 vs 21.3
Barrel %: 2.9 vs 6.9
Hard Hit %: 38 vs 37.9
Sweet Spot %: 35.5 vs 31.7
xBA: .263 vs .256
xwOBA: .373 vs .354
xSLG: .453 vs .442

He's maybe slightly worse on these stats, but not 260 OPS points lower. You can look at ground balls, line drives, chase rate, zone%, etc and he's staying fairly consistent over the last 5 years.

A few things I noticed.
He's punished the fastball most of his career until 20 and 21. He's back to punishing the fastball again this year.
He is generally better vs lefties, which is common for righties. But this year he absolutely cannot hit lefties.
His sprint speed still sucks. All that offseason work and "feeling like a short stop again" crap has not equated to moving better.

EastCoastAgNc said:

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texasaggie2015 said:

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Trade bait:

Corey Julks
Forest Whitley
Jose Siri
Chaz McCormick
Jason Castro

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I would argue that just one of those guys maybe has any significant value

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Look at who we traded for Verlander and Grienke, and then look how they've panned out. Seth Beer is about the only one who has gotten significant time in the majors.

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Josh Rojas says hello. He played 139 games fire the Dbacks last year and had played in about half their games this year, hitting close to .300.

Mathguy64 said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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tjack16 said:

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If we make a trade this year it needs to be for an arm. It's going to be very clear that this team will not win a World Series without elite pitching. I think we have seen what this offense is going to be this year, and we need an elite pitching staff to win it all

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Have we, though?

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51 games. Basically 1/3 of the season. That's not a slump. It's long enough for the Law of Large numbers to start to kick in. This really is who the team and players are this year. Expected stats are neat but I think they are better at identifying and explaining short term slumps or hot streaks than long term behavior.

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Maybe so, but there have been some guys who have had really awesome first halves and really bad second halves.

Vice versa for bad first halves and good second halves.

We shouldn't write this offense off yet.