***Official Houston Astros 2021-22 Offseason Thread***

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Heyman is Manfreds lap dog. Keep that in mind if they don't reach an agreement today and he sounds it was the players fault
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EastCoastAgNc said:

Heyman is Manfreds lap dog. Keep that in mind if they don't reach an agreement today and he sounds it was the players fau
it is the players fault, so thats not going out on a limb.


when workers are offered more money and they still won't agree, you can't really blame management.
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BMX Bandit said:

EastCoastAgNc said:

Heyman is Manfreds lap dog. Keep that in mind if they don't reach an agreement today and he sounds it was the players fau
it is the players fault, so thats not going out on a limb.


when workers are offered more money and they still won't agree, you can't really blame management.


Did the players impose the lockout?
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BMX Bandit said:

EastCoastAgNc said:

Heyman is Manfreds lap dog. Keep that in mind if they don't reach an agreement today and he sounds it was the players fau
it is the players fault, so thats not going out on a limb.


when workers are offered more money and they still won't agree, you can't really blame management.
Its not that cut and dry. They are both at fault. Its a negoiation. I just wished they would have gotten off their ass and made something happen in Dec.
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oh I'm not faulting the players for wanting to get every penny they can. good for them. but when you get down to it, they are being offered more money than before, so they really can't whine about "conditions." at the end of the day, it is their "fault" if they don't play

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I'm not buying that it would kill baseball in the DR.

Its going to completely change how teams operate down there and they won't be throwing money to every kid with some pop anymore. That is not really MLB's problem though if it lowers the number of rich kids. DR needs to think of a better model than baseball prospects to drive its economy.

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Wednesday morning -- no deal yet.

cutting it very close to starting play on April 7th with 4 full weeks of spring training
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I was reading an article of the international draft and came across this quote brown Bobby Abreu.

"Sometimes [Major League teams] concentrate on guys who are 13, 14 years old," Abreu said. "I've seen a lot of guys here who are 18 or 19 years old without a lot of opportunities. For some reason, they are [considered] too old for the system, too old for the game."

This is exactly where Jeff found an inefficiency and landed us Framber, Urquidy, Garcia, & Paredes.
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Looks like Peacock is getting exclusive games too...ugh...at least show them on MLB.tv
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EastCoastAgNc said:


Looks like Peacock is getting exclusive games too...ugh...at least show them on MLB.tv
I was thinking the same thing yesterday. But ultimately they want to drive people to their service and get people to sign up. Once signed up, people may not cancel. That is why MLB get can a premium deal.
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At first glance, I don't see any major issues with this.



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For the "owners haven't given up anything" crowd.

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Love that our lefties are capable of lefty on lefty crime.

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What audience is Apple TV envisioning that is going to be rushing home on Friday nights in the spring and summer to watch baseball on TV?
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It's the crowd that stays home and streams.
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Peacock. Great. Could they have picked a worse streaming service? The lack of controls are infuriating.

And of course we will all have to pass cookies and will get 10000 targeted ads.
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Farmer1906 said:

At first glance, I don't see any major issues with this.




What do we think is the driver for wanting an international draft? Why not work them into the draft that already exists? Make it where international signees have to register or something with the MLB to enter the draft, they must be say, 17, to be draft eligible and add extra rounds to the existing draft to account for this influx of extra prospects.

Or here's a really crazy idea, focus on getting those kids some kind of education, help get them into colleges to play and then they would already enter into the real draft.

I've never really understood why baseball was so different from other sports in how it treats young international players.
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So starting late nights in LA against the Angels on the 7th. Home opener Monday the 18th. At least we would get to see Springer in the first weekend home series.

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

Farmer1906 said:

At first glance, I don't see any major issues with this.




What do we think is the driver for wanting an international draft? Why not work them into the draft that already exists? Make it where international signees have to register or something with the MLB to enter the draft, they must be say, 17, to be draft eligible and add extra rounds to the existing draft to account for this influx of extra prospects.

Or here's a really crazy idea, focus on getting those kids some kind of education, help get them into colleges to play and then they would already enter into the real draft.

I've never really understood why baseball was so different from other sports in how it treats young international players.
Seems like are several reasons I see out there. Here are a few:
  • Structure - right now every team gets a pool and uses it how they see fit.
  • Helps get the money to the player and not some handlers.
  • It'll set an age limit (16) so teams aren't taking advantage of younger guys or incurring extra risk.
  • Gives all teams equal access to the international market.

The overall deal would give more money to the international market, but less to the top tier signees.
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CFTXAG10 said:

So starting late nights in LA against the Angels on the 7th. Home opener Monday the 18th. At least we would get to see Springer in the first weekend home series.


Springer will crack three ribs getting out of his car the first day of training camp.
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CFTXAG10 said:

So starting late nights in LA against the Angels on the 7th. Home opener Monday the 18th. At least we would get to see Springer in the first weekend home series.


Its like a team with 7 starters might have an advantage with all these doubleheaders and fewer off days. Do we know of any teams with 7 legit starters?

Hmmm....














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Farmer1906 said:

CFTXAG10 said:

So starting late nights in LA against the Angels on the 7th. Home opener Monday the 18th. At least we would get to see Springer in the first weekend home series.


Its like a team with 7 starters might have an advantage with all these doubleheaders and fewer off days. Do we know of any teams with 7 legit starters?

Hmmm....















Not to be a downer...but...

I'm really concerned about Lance and his recovery given some of his comments in interviews about not having access to the training staff and how it was worse than originally explained. Also, realize that JV will be on innings limits and with a shorter spring training, he wont' have as much time to ramp up. He'll fight those inning limits like crazy because it goes against everything in him. I hope Framber has worked more on the mental stuff and can turn those moments of brilliance into consistent brilliance. I hope Luace, Urquidy, and Javier can remain consistent. As far as Jake, the hissy fits he threw last year rubbed me (and others I'm sure) the wrong way. He's not a good enough pitcher to have an attitude like that.
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There is no excuse for a multi millionaire coming off of a surgery to not be ready and prepared, sure they took away the team training staff...you can afford your own to get YOUR body right and get it where it needs to be. If you dont do that, it is on you not the team.
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I'm setting my expectations of what JV will do based on how they handled LMJ coming off TJS. The inning limit thing didn't really come into play with him because of the shortened season that year. In spring training, they were really slow to bring him along. I remember they pulled him in his first start with just 15 pitches in the middle of an at-bat. JV's timeline for surgery was roughly the same as Lance's (give or take maybe a month).
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I'm not talking about JV, I'm talking about Lance. JV hired his own guys and did all of the rehab that he needed to.

I think his comments were more used to be a slap at the teams for locking out players, but if he has a setback because he let himself not get right and didn't hire a trainer etc that's on him
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Lance has shown he takes care of himself physically. I doubt its lack of effort for not being ready. He can go find whatever doctor and trainers he can, but it's not the same as the staff of guys who have been with him for the last 6 years.

Say Lance has a BP session and he feels some stress in the forearm. He calls up the doc and explains. Do you think this doctor is going to be able to give him the same advice as the team would? Do you think he'd be in tune with the situation? I surely don't. These trainers and doctors won't have the experience, history, rapport, vast amounts of data, etc.

To add to this, the Astros have more money locked into LMJ than anyone else in their system not named Altuve (85 vs 87). The teams should have been smarter and not locked out injured players.
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

There is no excuse for a multi millionaire coming off of a surgery to not be ready and prepared, sure they took away the team training staff...you can afford your own to get YOUR body right and get it where it needs to be. If you dont do that, it is on you not the team.


I suspect it's a contract clause that the team paid for the surgery/recovery but he has to use their staff.
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Why wouldnt that have applied to JV then...they forced him to get his own team
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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

Why wouldnt that have applied to JV then...they forced him to get his own team
Because his contract was slated to end before his recovery was complete? Plus Crane took out that massive insurance policy on him, who knows what kind of implications that had.
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So now Dominican amateurs want a seat at the negotiation table?

GTFO with that noise
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I have not read the article yet, but hopefully it'll shed more light on the issues people have with it...
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